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ranma1/2
07-19-2006, 11:39 PM
What do you consider a commandment of the bible?
Just the often quoted top 10?
Just what Jesus says?
Just what god says?
And more importantly.
Which ones do you follow?
The Judge
07-20-2006, 12:04 AM
I believe there are only really two or three commandments. (http://www.geocities.com/bobmelzer/gc10cx.html)
thenormalyears
07-20-2006, 07:50 AM
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you?
Victus
07-20-2006, 08:21 AM
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you?
Recipricocity is a basic psychological fact in humans, chimps and most other social animals. There's nothing divine about it. When someone does us good, we usually feel the need to return the favor. Similarly, when someone bones us, we want the same to them.
Thanks Jesus, gonna tell me what 2+2 equals next?
thenormalyears
07-20-2006, 02:23 PM
in base 1 22 i guess
Rocketman
07-21-2006, 06:27 AM
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you?
Recipricocity is a basic psychological fact in humans, chimps and most other social animals. There's nothing divine about it. When someone does us good, we usually feel the need to return the favor. Similarly, when someone bones us, we want the same to them.
Thanks Jesus, gonna tell me what 2+2 equals next?
Actually man, I have to take issue with that. While the basic conception of " do unto others " is an essentially human concept--( humans as social animals I mean)--it is not a simple concept or an easy one to ingrain into a human being. This is exactly the kind of thing that children need to be taught--( with or without a religious impetus). One of the truly amazing things about human beings is that our culture is taught to each other--both by instruction and by example.
When one is shown an example that runs counter to the " do unto others.." concept daily--and then instructed as tot he necessity of the " do unto others..." concept by instruction--there cannot fail but be some cognitive dissonance.
It is not an easy thing to put aside self interest. Empathy -as it turns out--seems to need treaching--it needs to be deomonstrated and reinforced in order to blossom into any sort of fullness in human beings.
Case in point--I took my seven year old daughter and her cousins --one six and the other nine to the museum last Saturday.
My daughter will not go into the insect section. The other kids took a turn around the giant cockroaches and tarantulas--while I took sentry duty on the outside. My daughter stood beside me facing the opposite wall until the kids were done.
The next exhibit was the Bat Cave--a darkened pathway made to look like a cave with modelled bats arranged naturalistically in this dark cavelike place.
The six year old was terrified of going into it and as much as I'm in favour of having kids face their fears--I was not goign to force the issue.
My daughter began to taunt her cousin for being afraid.
I had to point out that if we took her cousin through the batcave it would only be fair to take her back to the insect area and have her take the tour.
The opportunity arose to teach her a little empathy there. The thing is I could actually see the comprehension dawning on her face as she considered it.
Unfortunately we live in a culture that infantalizes us and requires us to tutor adults in empathy as well.
I believe there are only really two or three commandments. (http://www.geocities.com/bobmelzer/gc10cx.html)
I love George Carlin. (http://georgecarlin.com/mp3/George%20Carlin%20-%20When%20Will%20Jesus%20Bring%20the%20Pork%20Chop s%20-%20The%20Ten%20Commandments.mp3) :D
calpurnpiso
07-21-2006, 10:44 AM
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you?
Recipricocity is a basic psychological fact in humans, chimps and most other social animals. There's nothing divine about it. When someone does us good, we usually feel the need to return the favor. Similarly, when someone bones us, we want the same to them.
Thanks Jesus, gonna tell me what 2+2 equals next?
Exactly, to any action there is ALWAYS and equal and opposite reaction, NO religion induced psychosis or ignorant retarded thinking needed.
If I punch you, you'll punch me back, if you turn the "other cheeck" as the Christ-psychotics believe you are a masochist who LOVES PAIN, if you do that, you are definitively MENTALLY ILL. No other reason for this strange behavior. Schizophrenia sufferers are found to do this. The fact is one can find these crazy people all over the world. In Spain monks flagelate themselves silly during "holy week". In some Muslim countries like Iraq the muslim-psychotic use chains to hit their backs and draw blood while marching celebrating the Martyrdom of Ali. In the Phillipines Christ-psychotics nail themselves to crosses during "good Friday", which was the Roman Day of Blood celebrated in the first Century to celebrate the passion of Attis, the lover of Persephone ( Earth Goddess) who castrated himself bleeding to death on a sacred pine tree. Hmmm...blood, blood, more blood, sacred blood, saving with blood......Taurobolium anyone which can be done after a bullfight?..:lol:
Christ-pychotics love algolagnia and do not even know it!...:lol::lol:
What's wrong with this picture?
Then, if some one scratches one's back giving us food after one has done to them, one has to be a RETARDED idiot NOT to return the favor. It is an ANIMAL trade. Of course only a retarde Christ-psychotic think this is a human trait induced by god,,:lol: since the retards think they "created" morality!....
There is an interesting phrase in LAtin found in Epicurean philosophy that says:
"Ab alio exspectes alteri quod feceris "= What you expect from others, do it to them
..and of course the Christ-psychotics in their devious, distorted view of reality and history, claim to have created this phrase. Hmmm..perhaps it came from heaven on a golden tablet hitting Moses on the head!...:lol: retards..:lol:
If I may stray from the point just a little…
(I believe) The men who wrote the bible were simply trying to capture their ideals in writing. Then after some time passed someone decided the writings needed to have a second publishing if you will, with updated information to handle the questions that arose from the first printing so to speak. (Strictly speaking of the Christian bible here but all apply.)
So commandments were simply their way of capturing what they thought would be “good ideas” for living based on their experiences and environment around them. Kind of like the Martha Stewart of the time.
So now why would they explicitly tell everyone to be nice to everyone else? Why would a country specify an “official language” for a country? They both seem kind of silly yet they are both evident and factual. Why is there a label on a bleach bottle that says “do not drink”? The joke is at some time in the past some dumb-ass drank bleach. When the reality is the litigation process has made it necessary for companies to protect themselves by printing do not drink on the label of something the clearly a rational person would not drink.
So are they just stating the obvious to cover the lowest possible common denominator? Are they just covering their respective asses so to speak?
Remember, all of this is about control. So it is in writing so it must be true, and there for can be used as a control mechanism.
Now more to the specific question asked in this thread…
What would be considered a commandment?
I would answer that with a question… As an Atheist why would I care? Would I also care what other religions teach as commandments? If the Quran tells its followers to be patient with others, would I also question that?
Actually I really only have a problem with commandments or statements or guidelines that allow for the interpretation of “harm”. If the teachings give permission or open a door for someone to use it as an excuse to do harm to another living creature THEN I have a problem with it.
Peace and Love
TK :rock:
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