Are you ready?

[LEToxin]

http://www.ccontario2.org/RaptureMED.wmv

:vomit:

My mom shows this shit to my kids.

[joni]

When lightning strikes and a whole shitload of people have disappeared, yer darn tootin' I would believe.

But I'm not going to hold my breath.

[HappyNat]

http://www.ccontario2.org/RaptureMED.wmv

:vomit:

My mom shows this shit to my kids.
"6000 years later . . .":lol:

Your mom shows this to your kids? How old are they? I'd be fucking pissed if someone used scare tactics on my kids like that.

[LEToxin]

The 2 that she shows this to are 6 and 8. It's the price I have to pay when I can't take a personal day when one of my kids is sick. They don't really seem too interested in religion thus far.

[HappyNat]

The 2 that she shows this to are 6 and 8. It's the price I have to pay when I can't take a personal day when one of my kids is sick. They don't really seem too interested in religion thus far.
At that age it isn't too bad and hopefully they can see through bullshit. I was thinking of 3 or 4 year olds freaking out over that.

[Jahrta]

"behold I am coming quickly"

do you think that's what god said to mary just before he laid the jesus juice on her?

[Jahrta]

Oh, and I'd tell her to leave her goat-fucking retarded religious beliefs to herself. Scare tactics never work on strong-minded people who possess the mental wherewithal to see through bullshit like this. If she does it again I'd make sure it was a damn long time before she got to see them for any extended period of time, and never when I wasn't in the room to monitor (at that age, anyway).

[nkb]

Well, on the plus side, at least you know it is happening, and she's not doing it behind your back.

This way, you can discuss it with your kids, and explain the obvious silliness.

[Professor Chaos]

Oh, and I'd tell her to leave her goat-fucking retarded religious beliefs to herself. Scare tactics never work on strong-minded people who possess the mental wherewithal to see through bullshit like this. If she does it again I'd make sure it was a damn long time before she got to see them for any extended period of time, and never when I wasn't in the room to monitor (at that age, anyway).
I had basically that exact conversation with my mother-in-law during Thanksgiving dinner. She asked me if she could start taking my daughter to church. The look on my wife's face was pretty priceless, as she knew my wrath was coming.

It was civil. But the BALLS on that woman. :rolleyes:

[anthonyjfuchs]

I had basically that exact conversation with my mother-in-law during Thanksgiving dinner. She asked me if she could start taking my daughter to church.
Wow. She actually asked? Upon learning of my choice not to believe her myths, my (step-)mother-in-law announced quite smugly that she would have great fun taking her (step-)grandchild to services. I don't think she quite understands just how vehemently I will fight to keep my children, my own flesh and blood and bone, free from the intellectual dishonesty of religious myths until they are capable of distinguishing reality from fiction.

[LEToxin]

It's not so easy in my case because once my mom finds out that I'm an atheist, it's going to change our relationship forever, but, the more she tries to "teach" my kids about this nonsense, the more that it will force my hand because my children will not be forced into mental slavery. I recently took away the children's bible she bought for them because one day my son asked me why god would kill all of the first born in Egypt when god could've done some other form of punishment. It's simply too confusing for a little one to ponder, but atleast he was on the right track in questioning that barbaric creator.

[Livingstrong]

It's not so easy in my case because once my mom finds out that I'm an atheist, it's going to change our relationship forever,
I was 12 when I told my mother I was a lesbian, and she disowned me when I was 15 and kicked me out the house forever, but I didn't care. She lost, I won. Being lesbian or gay is not a crime and neither is being an atheist. If you were my son I would be so proud of you and would accept you no matter what.

It's sad that you think that your mother would change her relationship with you. It shouldn't matter to her what you believe in or what you don't believe in.

[LEToxin]

So my mom asked my son why he wasn't reading his children's bible today, and he told her that we took it away. She asked him why, and he said because of all of the killing. So my mom just emailed my wife....

hi ... chase just said something interesting... he cannot read the bible til he is older......so curious me asks why.. he said all the killing.. well just for your info :) I told him he does not have to read it from cover to cover, he can skip around... it is not a book like that.. yea it is a history book but personally i love the new testament alot.. it covers all the testimonies of when Jesus was walking the earth and the psalms are great poems that were put to music... just thought that i would share that info...

Why oh why must people force their crap down your throat? She doesn't talk to me or my wife about this, but she opens the flood gates when we aren't around. Shit meet fan.

[anthonyjfuchs]

"I told him he does not have to read it from cover to cover, he can skip around..."
Fucking buffet-style Christers.

Either it's the word of your fucking god, or it isn't. Not "some of is, but not the bad stuff that makes us uncomfortable." It's a package fucking deal; all, or none.

Tell her I said that.

[Eva]

good argument for when this happens with my in-laws..."all the killings"...
because it WILL happen, eventually...

[LEToxin]

Actualy Anthony she does believe the bible to be the infallible word of god, she knows that we don't like it so this is her trying to dummy it down for us I guess, she probably uses the Thomas line of reasoning, in that there was a sufficient moral reason for all of the fun killing sprees.

[anthonyjfuchs]

Sorry brother; I let myself get too pissed off too easily. It's mostly because I know I'm going to have to deal with the same kind of bullshit you're dealing with when I have my own kids. My wife's step-mother is a hardcore bible-fucker who has made it clear that she disregards our wishes to steer our children clear of religious idiocy (redundant, I know), and declares with smug glee how she's going to loooooove taking her "grandbabies" to service (nevermind the fact that, as she's my wife' step-mother, they ain't her grandkids; and yes, that will come up as the argument gets more heated in coming months).

So if I blow my top on occasion, just tell me to stuff it.

[Traum]

http://www.ccontario2.org/RaptureMED.wmv

:vomit:

My mom shows this shit to my kids.
Pitchfork, I think you should simply tell her that the material is cool, but first she must convince you that it is true. That there is a God and that he is a Christian.

Its an opportunity.

[LEToxin]

No problem Anthony, you are just passionate about this, nothing wrong w/ that, we need more people like you to speak up.

Traum, I wish it were that simple. That may involve several Sundays of church and honestly, I don't have the time, I coach 7 different youth teams. It's a thoughtful solution though and I thank you for your suggestion.

[LEToxin]

I know most of you all could careless, but I've led you this far, so here is my email to my mom today, and yes I chickened out and said I was agnostic, but I think I got my point across:

Also regarding your email to the mrs. yesterday. Mom, I’m the one that told him not to read the Bible until he is older. There is way too much violence and grown up situations that a little innocent child should not be reading about, even in the simplified version that you gave him. Although I understand that you are doing this because you think it’s the right thing to do, please consider that the mrs. religious background was Mormon and I consider myself agnostic, so what you are doing may contradict some of the things that we are teaching them so please if you could, stop confusing them. You didn’t even ask us if you could share your beliefs w/ them in the first place. I think we’ve done a fine job w/ them thus far w/out the need of any supernatural influences, (it could be worse, we could be Mormons!) things may change down the road, who knows, but for now, it is what it is. I am open to talk to you about this, but I’m not so sure you can handle it. I’ve been a doubting Thomas for some time (you had to suspect this), but I dare not say anything for fear of the (last name removed-my older son lives w/ his mom, and they too are thumpers) moving him off to Minnesota or where ever else they last threatened me because I don’t take him to church. Nice people. For the most part, I keep my beliefs to myself, but for whatever reason, everyone else is beating down our door trying to sell us theirs.
I love you mom.


HER RESPONSE:

hi son

i promise you i have NEVER shared anything with the kids but that god loves them.. i swear.. it is ALWAYS chase bringing it up.. i promise.. i would NEVER ever do that.. so i so respect your wishes son... *bullshit - but it's still progress*

i can handle anything.. i am your mom... you have to make your own choices..... it is a personal thing and that is all i will say about it... i love you forever... please do not let this come between us... i sense you are uncomfortable with me... must have been this... if i have made you feel odd, forgive me, i love you no matter what.. ok..




I still can't believe that she said what she said, it's a miracle!

[Baphomet]

Actualy Anthony she does believe the bible to be the infallible word of god, she knows that we don't like it so this is her trying to dummy it down for us I guess, she probably uses the Thomas line of reasoning, in that there was a sufficient moral reason for all of the fun killing sprees.
I never understood how christians thought there was "sufficient moral reason" for killing sprees.

Seriously, think about it.

Suppose a man threatens your life with a gun, and you yourself have a gun. Now, because of the fact that you're NOT omnipotent, you have a limited course of action. Either you can kill or be killed. This is sufficient reason to kill, out of self defense.

Now, suppose you did have unlimited power. In that case there is NO I repeat NO reason anyone has to be killed. God didn't like the pagan tribes so he had the Israelites slaughter them? Give me a fucking break, how can christians be so fucking stupid? If god was ALL powerful, then the options of what could have been done were unlimited. He could have built a fucking wall around the tribes to prevent them from messing with the israelites. He could have disguised himself as one of their heathen gods and convinced them to convert. He could have teleported the bad tribes away, done ANY number of things...

but what does he do instead? He tells the israelites to go slaughter the enemy tribes when slaughter wasn't neccessary at all! It's kind of like superman calling you up and saying "the guy next door is giving me funny looks... I need you to kill him for me."

How can christians be so stupid? How?!?!?!

[Eva]

awwwwwww.......your mom is sweet.......

[Professor Chaos]

awwwwwww.......your mom is sweet.......
Yeah she is. ;)

[anthonyjfuchs]

My favorite example is Exodus 32. Not 12 chapters after giving the very clear edict "thou shalt not kill," Sky-Daddy instructs Moses to slaught "three thousand" of his own countrymen. If this sky-daddy is omnipotent, why does it not do it's own dirty-work? Why does it put that immoral atrocity to a human being who, being fallible, may screw it up and not murder properly? And why did Moses not have the fucking sense to tell his sky-daddy to do his own dirty-work?

Once again, it comes back to whether or not morality is absolute. If murder can be okay when "the lawd demands it," then murder is not consistently immoral. If murder is immoral, then it is always immoral; and if some supernatural being wants people dead, it can commit those immoral atrocities itself, instead of trying to lay that immorality on the consciences of otherwise good people.

[Choobus]

it seems that sky daddy is also a deadbeat dad. Son of a bitch is WAY behind on the child maintenance.......

[antix]

And let's not forget a shitty landlord. If the galactic planetary inspectors pay a surprise visit, Earth will be condemned for sure.

[Sternwallow]

I never understood how christians thought there was "sufficient moral reason" for killing sprees.

Seriously, think about it.

Suppose a man threatens your life with a gun, and you yourself have a gun. Now, because of the fact that you're NOT omnipotent, you have a limited course of action. Either you can kill or be killed. This is sufficient reason to kill, out of self defense.

Now, suppose you did have unlimited power. In that case there is NO I repeat NO reason anyone has to be killed. God didn't like the pagan tribes so he had the Israelites slaughter them? Give me a fucking break, how can christians be so fucking stupid? If god was ALL powerful, then the options of what could have been done were unlimited. He could have built a fucking wall around the tribes to prevent them from messing with the israelites. He could have disguised himself as one of their heathen gods and convinced them to convert. He could have teleported the bad tribes away, done ANY number of things...

but what does he do instead? He tells the israelites to go slaughter the enemy tribes when slaughter wasn't necessary at all! It's kind of like superman calling you up and saying "the guy next door is giving me funny looks... I need you to kill him for me."

How can christians be so stupid? How?!?!?!
Baph, those killing sprees are no better supported than the exodus. I'm sure what the all powerful God did was to convince the Israelites that their X*great-grandparents had successfully slaughtered a lot of fictional people (and cattle and chickens and fruit bats and other beasts) which the Israelites dutifully wrote down. Same thing for Jericho. The Israelites come upon a ruined city and ask their elders about it. The elders observe the fallen walls, all but one section and, having no idea that the city fell naturally hundreds of years before, told their sheeple that Joshua stomped around it for a week and it fell down, though it did save the home of a single special person.

This “omnipotent” God is only omnipotent with beguilement from his mouth, a fact that He himself admits in "John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." This power was also wielded by God's agents, what became the clergy.