Criminalize Christianity

[mindinclined]

Separation of Church and State is not enough. There is no bargaining room. The truth is that religion creates hatred, violence, psychological torture, and ignorance. Anything that is that dangerous should be considered an extremely dangerous vice.

We need to start taking a stronger stance and call for the criminalization of Christianity. It is the single largest institution of its kind and will be the starting point to eliminate this scourge from our society.

I have compiled a video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRxYeUt_d94 to illustrate the point.

What do you think? Anyone with me or have I just gone mad?

[Professor Chaos]

Christianity keeps brainless dipshits from killing one another.

Christianity causes brainless dipshits to help people so that maybe Jebus will smile upon them.

It's not 1507 anymore. Christianity, IMHO, does more good than harm. Christianity is not the problem. The people are the problem. Unless we evolve to the point where people intelligent enough to see through the bullshit are more the rule than the exception, Christianity serves an important purpose...Spammer. :)

[Smellyoldgit]

Why stop at just chritianity?
Rope in the jizzlamic fraternity as a minimum - - just leave the decent, honest Pastafarians alone.

[Irreligious]

Thanks, Professor Chaos. 'Nuff said.

[Professor Chaos]

I'm guessing that the reaction thus far isn't what (s)he expected from the "Raving Atheists."

[Irreligious]

Well, we're not "stark, raving mad atheists!"

[mindinclined]

Christianity keeps brainless dipshits from killing one another.
More like Christianity keeps brainless dipshits as brainless dipshits.

There is nothing unique about the 'good' that christianity supposedly brings. All moral philosophies can bring good, cooperation, and compassion. It is the ideas themselves that move people to do good - institutions need not force them.

Christianity is not the problem. The people are the problem. Unless we evolve to the point where people intelligent enough to see through the bullshit are more the rule than the exception, Christianity serves an important purpose
Unfortunately Christianity serves to maintain the problem... not as a kind of remedy. The problem is that people are raised from birth to believe in the bullshit and they are trained to accept it. This child brain-washing is what makes the evolution your describing so difficult. It takes about 15-20 years before a child begins to have proper control on their reasoning faculties and by this time they have so much invested in this fantasy that they repress the new ideas.

Continuous pressure from school, family, churches, politicians, etc. has a profound effect on the ability of someone to 'mature' (as opposed to evolve) to the point of rejecting religious fantasy. There is no magic gene mutation that will allow people to simply bypass religious influence. We already have all of the tools we need to reject this bullshit; it is the combination of all the religious institutions that allow irrational thought to maintain its control over new and evolving ideas.

Only by thwarting the influence that these mass brain-washing institutions can people begin to 'evolve'.

[Professor Chaos]

Christianity keeps brainless dipshits from killing one another.
More like Christianity keeps brainless dipshits as brainless dipshits.

There is nothing unique about the 'good' that christianity supposedly brings. All moral philosophies can bring good, cooperation, and compassion. It is the ideas themselves that move people to do good - institutions need not force them.

Christianity is not the problem. The people are the problem. Unless we evolve to the point where people intelligent enough to see through the bullshit are more the rule than the exception, Christianity serves an important purpose
Unfortunately Christianity serves to maintain the problem... not as a kind of remedy. The problem is that people are raised from birth to believe in the bullshit and they are trained to accept it. This child brain-washing is what makes the evolution your describing so difficult. It takes about 15-20 years before a child begins to have proper control on their reasoning faculties and by this time they have so much invested in this fantasy that they repress the new ideas.

Continuous pressure from school, family, churches, politicians, etc. has a profound effect on the ability of someone to 'mature' (as opposed to evolve) to the point of rejecting religious fantasy. There is no magic gene mutation that will allow people to simply bypass religious influence. We already have all of the tools we need to reject this bullshit; it is the combination of all the religious institutions that allow irrational thought to maintain its control over new and evolving ideas.

Only by thwarting the influence that these mass brain-washing institutions can people begin to 'evolve'.
So your answer is to jail Christians?

[Professor Chaos]

By the way, if you were hoping to stick around here, you'd better re-register under a different username that isn't blatant spam.

We don't take to kindly to spammers 'round these parts.

[Kate]

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[snap crafter]

More like Christianity keeps brainless dipshits as brainless dipshits.

There is nothing unique about the 'good' that christianity supposedly brings. All moral philosophies can bring good, cooperation, and compassion. It is the ideas themselves that move people to do good - institutions need not force them.
Oh, I agree. Any supposed 'good' caused by religion isn't going to cover the fact that they do more harm than good. Hell, most of the supposed 'good' things they do aren't even good, because they just use it to convert those down on their luck.

Yeah, and religion doesn't create hatred, violence, psychological torture, and ignorance; it creates ignorance. And from there the ignorance destroys what is good about humanity. The problem is that ignorance doesn't breed itself, it has an intelligence to manipulate it, and I assure you it isn't supernatural.

Christianity is not the problem. The people are the problem. Unless we evolve to the point where people intelligent enough to see through the bullshit are more the rule than the exception, Christianity serves an important purpose
Unfortunately Christianity serves to maintain the problem... not as a kind of remedy. The problem is that people are raised from birth to believe in the bullshit and they are trained to accept it. This child brain-washing is what makes the evolution your describing so difficult. It takes about 15-20 years before a child begins to have proper control on their reasoning faculties and by this time they have so much invested in this fantasy that they repress the new ideas.
Continuous pressure from school, family, churches, politicians, etc. has a profound effect on the ability of someone to 'mature' (as opposed to evolve) to the point of rejecting religious fantasy. There is no magic gene mutation that will allow people to simply bypass religious influence. We already have all of the tools we need to reject this bullshit; it is the combination of all the religious institutions that allow irrational thought to maintain its control over new and evolving ideas.

Only by thwarting the influence that these mass brain-washing institutions can people begin to 'evolve'.
Yeah, guy, you do realize that this wouldn't work right?

1: The country is fucking christian. they would sooner lynch any heathen than outlaw... themselves.

2: Most of the non-christians in this country don't give two shits about religion, good luck rallying an apathetic crowd.

3: You would antagonize all these christian groups just itchin' for a lynchin'. Christian Patriots, Ku Klux Klan, American Nazi Party, Aryan Brotherhood/Aryan Nations, Pat Robertson; you would just get all these crazy assholes up in a hissy and they would burn down any and all houses they thought weren't 'christian' enough. Don't poke an angry bear when it's asleep!

[Kamikaze189]

I would not, even if I were ridiculously powerful, make being any religion a crime. However, I would let the police do religious profiling (if you think there's no correlation between Islam and suicide bombings, you're a moron) and have some kind of psychiatric help for people.

Making it a crime isn't going to fix/help the situation.

[Eva]

let's see if s/he comes back.......

[mindinclined]

1: The country is fucking christian. they would sooner lynch any heathen than outlaw... themselves.
Yes the country is Christian, that is obvious. But much of the country is relatively moderate. You really think they would begin lynching atheists do you? I think you see the problem as much worse than even I do.

2: Most of the non-christians in this country don't give two shits about religion, good luck rallying an apathetic crowd.
I would disagree on this as well. They do give two shits, and more. You just don't hear about it because they are beaten down, scared, and grossly outnumbered. Also, most media will not give any platform to atheist agendas because they are well... christian. They can be rallied but just need better dissemination of ideas and communication.

3: You would antagonize all these christian groups just itchin' for a lynchin'
So what!? Are you saying that because someone is a fanatic that you should try your best not to aggravate them? Why did we go to Afghanistan then? Why are we pushing so strongly against Islamic extremism? If there is a murderer on the loose, maybe we should stop chasing him so that he does not get aggravated and kill again.... It is because of cowardly apathy such as this that we let religious morons run the show.

Making it a crime isn't going to fix/help the situation.
This I think is more of a confusion about the argument. Again, I am not saying we should jail christians, burn their books, or abolish any mention of christian ideas. It is the INSTITUTIONS that should be criminalized. When we thwart the overpowering presence that Christian institutions have on children, media, and policy then we will effectively control the spread of these dangerous ideas. No child should be allowed to be raised within a christian school or church because of the potentially harmful effects that Christian ideas can cause - Especially on impressionable children.

[Choobus]

looks like you have really thought this through.........

[nkb]

Yes, criminalizing things has always worked wonders for ridding ourselves of those things.

Prohibition comes to mind, War on Drugs, etc. How did those work out?

[snap crafter]

1: The country is fucking christian. they would sooner lynch any heathen than outlaw... themselves.
Yes the country is Christian, that is obvious. But much of the country is relatively moderate. You really think they would begin lynching atheists do you? I think you see the problem as much worse than even I do.
No guy, I don't think they would do that. I sincerely think that some will, but most aren't going to. But they are moderate, christian moderate. Why would they vote their own religion as criminal? Hell, they probably wouldn't even vote for fundamentalism to be criminal, since it would loose them a source of cash/vote.

2: Most of the non-christians in this country don't give two shits about religion, good luck rallying an apathetic crowd.
I would disagree on this as well. They do give two shits, and more. You just don't hear about it because they are beaten down, scared, and grossly outnumbered. Also, most media will not give any platform to atheist agendas because they are well... christian. They can be rallied but just need better dissemination of ideas and communication.
Good luck with that, there's a lot of stigma with religion, and most people just don't care about religion. They see fundamentalism, but the propaganda that most christians aren't like that is far too prevalent. It's a failed cause before it began; you can't incite them to act. Bigger men than you have tried.

3: You would antagonize all these christian groups just itchin' for a lynchin'
So what!? Are you saying that because someone is a fanatic that you should try your best not to aggravate them? Why did we go to Afghanistan then? Why are we pushing so strongly against Islamic extremism? If there is a murderer on the loose, maybe we should stop chasing him so that he does not get aggravated and kill again.... It is because of cowardly apathy such as this that we let religious morons run the show.
Yes, albeit without your red herrings. What does this have to do with Afghanistan? Those people attacked us! If we even suggested this thing those people would view it as a similar attack and they would be able to rally. You just aren't going to be able to do this in the good ol' US of A. We're pushing against islamo-extremism because A: they attacked us and B: We're christian, and view them as evil sand-monkeys.

THEY WOULD VIEW US AS THE MURDERER ON THE LOOSE. Good god I wish you weren't an atheist.

Making it a crime isn't going to fix/help the situation.
This I think is more of a confusion about the argument. Again, I am not saying we should jail christians, burn their books, or abolish any mention of christian ideas. It is the INSTITUTIONS that should be criminalized. When we thwart the overpowering presence that Christian institutions have on children, media, and policy then we will effectively control the spread of these dangerous ideas. No child should be allowed to be raised within a christian school or church because of the potentially harmful effects that Christian ideas can cause - Especially on impressionable children.
They wouldn't view it as a difference. Even if we did the logical thing and taxed churchs, they would view it as an attack on their religion, and thus the idiots would mass and attack. You would see a religious backlash on such a scale that hasn't been seen since the 19th century.

[Professor Chaos]

I'll pray for you, spammer.

[Irreligious]

looks like you have really thought this through.........
That's sarcasm, I hope.

The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees Christians, Jews, Muslims, Scientologists, Rastafarians, Pastafarians, etc., the right to believe and practice whatever nonsense they want. It is only when the practices that flow from those beliefs run afoul of secular laws (including animal or human sacrifices; aspects of Sharia Law; polygamy; or denying a child medical care) that the government is empowered to get involved.

So how would you go about criminalizing another's belief system, mindinclined.com? And who is going to be the thought-police?

[Choobus]

looks like you have really thought this through.........
That's sarcasm, I hope.

The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees Christians, Jews, Muslims, Scientologists, Rastafarians, Pastafarians, etc., the right to believe and practice whatever nonsense they want. It is only when the practices that flow from those beliefs run afoul of secular laws (including animal or human sacrifices; aspects of Sharia Law; polygamy; or denying a child medical care) that the government is empowered to get involved.

So how would you go about criminalizing another's belief system, mindinclined.com? And who is going to be the thought-police?
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, and I for one would never stoop so low.

[Rat Bastard]

By the way, if you were hoping to stick around here, you'd better re-register under a different username that isn't blatant spam.

We don't take to kindly to spammers 'round these parts.
A better way is to ask the administrator, Chris, to change your name. She's done that for many of us, and you really don't want two handles, that can get you banned.

[Professor Chaos]

By the way, if you were hoping to stick around here, you'd better re-register under a different username that isn't blatant spam.

We don't take to kindly to spammers 'round these parts.
A better way is to ask the administrator, Chris, to change your name. She's done that for many of us, and you really don't want two handles, that can get you banned.
Or in porno.

[calpurnpiso]

Criminalizing Christianity is like criminalizing schizophrenia or any other delusion causing disorder that makes the brain accept irrational concepts ( tooth fairy tales, spiritual myths, Santa tales, etc) are if they were reality.

[Rat Bastard]

By the way, if you were hoping to stick around here, you'd better re-register under a different username that isn't blatant spam.

We don't take to kindly to spammers 'round these parts.
A better way is to ask the administrator, Chris, to change your name. She's done that for many of us, and you really don't want two handles, that can get you banned.
Or in porno.
Well, true, but mine are love handles, not procreation handles. :(

[mindinclined]

Its unfortunate that this has digressed to discussion about whether or not this is GOING to happen as opposed to whether it SHOULD happen. The likeliness of the U.S. actually accepting such a measure is really secondary to the point. I don't even think I ever specifically mentioned the U.S (other countries exist you know) but regrettably I got sucked into it.

We're pushing against islamo-extremism because A: they attacked us and B: We're christian, and view them as evil sand-monkeys.
Sure they attacked us. So have Christians. They attack us when they kill our doctors, protest our soldier's funerals, abuse homosexuals, bomb our clinics, and brain-wash our children. The attack symbols of our science and medicine, our citizens, our beliefs, and our resources.

So how would you go about criminalizing another's belief system, mindinclined.com? And who is going to be the thought-police?
Again, not criminalizing ideas... just institutions. The banning of any system that encourages discrimination, violence, or psychological torture. No need for mind readers here; try to focus on topic now.

But hell your all probably right. The ol' US of A may never do such a thing (in the immediate future anyway). But that does not make it a bad idea or one that should not be pursued.

[gren]

We have to stop fighting against Christianity and start fighting for atheism. The more of us who stand up in community groups, schools, business, neighborhoods, and tell compelling, non combative arguments for how wonderful the world is without a god in it, the more we’ll move ahead our cause. The more we fight the godiots, the more they’ll dig in their heels.

Better to tell them about steak instead of berating them about eating dirt. (Input your favorite food for steak).

[mindinclined]

Better to tell them about steak instead of berating them about eating dirt. (Input your favorite food for steak).
Point taken... Can't we eat steak while we kick their dirt in their face too? Thats much more fun :D

[antix]

Even if we did criminalize the "institutions" and even if in the future christianity was considered as myth across the globe as a result. Where will we be? People are still going to be people. Even without Christianity-- and hell, let's say that islam and juedism fall apart as well-- you're still never going to eliminate the Scientoligsts/mystics/astrologers/flat-earthers etc... from the mix. As long as people are around, their will be stupid shit that they believe in. And sometimes that stupid shit will get in the way of rational thought and will be anti-progress.

[Irreligious]

Again, not criminalizing ideas... just institutions. The banning of any system that encourages discrimination, violence, or psychological torture. No need for mind readers here; try to focus on topic now.
With all due respect, you're not making any sense. Are you asking us to imagine a world without religion? How about a world without racists, or mean people? What is your point?

[Philboid Studge]

I'd go for it if it meant restoring the Roman Colosseum.

[Rat Bastard]

Again, not criminalizing ideas... just institutions. The banning of any system that encourages discrimination, violence, or psychological torture. No need for mind readers here; try to focus on topic now.
With all due respect, you're not making any sense. Are you asking us to imagine a world without religion? How about a world without racists, or mean people? What is your point?
Well, little fella, plenty of people here can remain on task. Are your views really that undeveloped, that you think you can enforce this sweeping change? Sure, it would be nice, but the majority of the population isn't grown up (read raised up) enough for it.

[calpurnpiso]

I'd go for it if it meant restoring the Roman Colosseum.
Yup, instead of the death penalty and useless prisons to "rehabilitate" the criminals by giving them free room and board plus free medical, we can use the new Coloseums to make these vermin fight with each other to the death or fight robots with sharp pricks in extreme cases.....let their victims free access to the entertainment. Hmm...Chino death row inmates fighting those of Florence Az State prison etc etc...move over NFL these are MEN games to satisfy the human animal blood instinct. This can replace the stupid Bull Fights too...:)

[The Slithy Tove]

With all due respect, you're not making any sense. Are you asking us to imagine a world without religion?
It's easy if you try.

[Tenspace]

With all due respect, you're not making any sense. Are you asking us to imagine a world without religion?
It's easy if you try.
Yeah... no Hell below us? Above us only sky?

Hmm...

[Smellyoldgit]

Imagine all the people - living for today

hmm indeed...

[Kate]

http://www.3dhistory.co.uk/Junior/lennonImagine.jpg

[Smellyoldgit]

He was da man!

[DrunkMonkey]

I think a much better first step would be to start taxing them and treating them just like any other for-profit institution.

[genius2687]

My conscience tells me that we should make Christianity and Islam illegal in this country.

But the first amendment to the constitution allows for freedom of religion. In my mind, the bill of rights should never be altered or changed and it is a suicide document.

Maybe I'm just skeptical of us changing the bill of rights as I know the levithian power of government. (Think Waco or Ruby Ridge for example and government abuse).

[meg1448]

I think a much better first step would be to start taxing them and treating them just like any other for-profit institution.
I like this idea. :thumbsup:

[Vinter]

Separation of Church and State is not enough. There is no bargaining room. The truth is that religion creates hatred, violence, psychological torture, and ignorance. Anything that is that dangerous should be considered an extremely dangerous vice.

We need to start taking a stronger stance and call for the criminalization of Christianity. It is the single largest institution of its kind and will be the starting point to eliminate this scourge from our society.

I have compiled a video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRxYeUt_d94 to illustrate the point.

What do you think? Anyone with me or have I just gone mad?
The number of unfounded generalizations are mind boggling.

[calpurnpiso]

My conscience tells me that we should make Christianity and Islam illegal in this country.

But the first amendment to the constitution allows for freedom of religion. In my mind, the bill of rights should never be altered or changed and it is a suicide document.

Maybe I'm just skeptical of us changing the bill of rights as I know the levithian power of government. (Think Waco or Ruby Ridge for example and government abuse).
I think we must classify religious beliefs for what they are, an unknown form of delusions inducing neurological disorder that mimics schizophrenia, that when in a full blown state can make the person to behave criminally. :)

[Sternwallow]

Separation of Church and State is not enough. There is no bargaining room. The truth is that religion creates hatred, violence, psychological torture, and ignorance. Anything that is that dangerous should be considered an extremely dangerous vice.

We need to start taking a stronger stance and call for the criminalization of Christianity. It is the single largest institution of its kind and will be the starting point to eliminate this scourge from our society.

I have compiled a video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRxYeUt_d94 to illustrate the point.

What do you think? Anyone with me or have I just gone mad?
There are many dangerous behaviors in our society. They run the gamut from driving to hunting. Rather than criminalize Christianity (most of whose members are benign), why not both tax the institution and license each member. Like having to know the rules of the road, people who claim to follow the Bible would have to demonstrate some knowledge of its contents and history.

[Sternwallow]

My conscience tells me that we should make Christianity and Islam illegal in this country.

But the first amendment to the constitution allows for freedom of religion. In my mind, the bill of rights should never be altered or changed and it is a suicide document.

Maybe I'm just skeptical of us changing the bill of rights as I know the levithian power of government. (Think Waco or Ruby Ridge for example and government abuse).
I think we must classify religious beliefs for what they are, an unknown form of delusions inducing neurological disorder that mimics schizophrenia, that when in a full blown state can make the person to behave criminally. :)
The bill of rights guarantees the right to practice religion in private, but it forbids the impostiton of religion by the government. I think it would be consistent with this idea to prohibit imposition of religion by any citizen on anyone else. That would not diminish personal religious practice.

I don't care if they are instructed from on-high to preach to every animal and bird in the world, they must not shove a Bible in my face uninvited.

You want to burn a cross? OK, fine, just do it on your own lawn and make no complaints when I soak a crucifix in battery acid on my lawn.

[calpurnpiso]

My conscience tells me that we should make Christianity and Islam illegal in this country.

But the first amendment to the constitution allows for freedom of religion. In my mind, the bill of rights should never be altered or changed and it is a suicide document.

Maybe I'm just skeptical of us changing the bill of rights as I know the levithian power of government. (Think Waco or Ruby Ridge for example and government abuse).
I think we must classify religious beliefs for what they are, an unknown form of delusions inducing neurological disorder that mimics schizophrenia, that when in a full blown state can make the person to behave criminally. :)
The bill of rights guarantees the right to practice religion in private, but it forbids the impostiton of religion by the government. I think it would be consistent with this idea to prohibit imposition of religion by any citizen on anyone else. That would not diminish personal religious practice.

I don't care if they are instructed from on-high to preach to every animal and bird in the world, they must not shove a Bible in my face uninvited.

You want to burn a cross? OK, fine, just do it on your own lawn and make no complaints when I soak a crucifix in battery acid on my lawn.
Of course, a schizophrenic can be put in jail, for taken his/her delusions outside the asylum insisting in shoving them to people on the outside. Christ-psychotics must keep their delusions to themselves.

[bryantee]

Separation of Church and State is not enough. There is no bargaining room. The truth is that religion creates hatred, violence, psychological torture, and ignorance. Anything that is that dangerous should be considered an extremely dangerous vice.

We need to start taking a stronger stance and call for the criminalization of Christianity. It is the single largest institution of its kind and will be the starting point to eliminate this scourge from our society.

I have compiled a video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRxYeUt_d94 to illustrate the point.

What do you think? Anyone with me or have I just gone mad?
There are many dangerous behaviors in our society. They run the gamut from driving to hunting. Rather than criminalize Christianity (most of whose members are benign), why not both tax the institution and license each member. Like having to know the rules of the road, people who claim to follow the Bible would have to demonstrate some knowledge of its contents and history.
Like a religion safety class.

[meg1448]

:offtopic: Bryantee, I feel the need to point out that I get your reference to Stephen Colbert (wriststrong) and that I love you for it.

Carry on.

[bryantee]

Just doing my job to raise violence against wrists awareness.