Noctuary says hello

[Noctuary]

Hello. My name is Noctuary. I stumbled here while googling my way through the internet.

I am 36 and am a Laveyan Satanist. As such I am Atheist by belief and live that belief through Satanism. I do not worship the devil or any other deity. That would be traditional Satanism. Modern Satanism are Atheist in belief. (just wanted to be up front and clear that misconception up)

I am a writer (my link takes you to my poetry site)
I love the color pink, eating babies and generally being evil.





And I have a quirky sense of humor because I don't actually eat eat babies. But I want to. I want to put them in a burrito and cover them with hot sauce!



Ok. Enough about me. Any questions, please feel free to ask. Any cookies, please feel free to give me. It's late and I am hungry.


:)

[Smellyoldgit]

You sound suitably idiotic to be here.
Shame about the satan bollocks though.

[Noctuary]

You sound suitably idiotic to be here.
Shame about the satan bollocks though.
Thanks. I love how welcoming people can be in an introduction thread. I must have been just a tad special to warrant your lovely welcome.:P

[ubs]

Welcome Noctuary.

So, what is the point of the Satanism if you are an Atheist. Is it like a personal style, like using GTD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getting_Things_Done)? Or like Humanism with more dancing?

Explain how that works.

[Noctuary]

Welcome Noctuary.

So, what is the point of the Satanism if you are an Atheist. Is it like a personal style, like using GTD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getting_Things_Done)? Or like Humanism with more dancing?

Explain how that works.
Good morning. (seems I have a subscription issue. I unsubscribed yet I got an e-mail. I need to do some more fiddling with my options)

What's the point of being an Atheist if I am a Satanist? Well I was born a non believer. Even though I was raised Catholic, I have never believed in deities. So I had to go find a path that actually fit with that. It started when I was 11, when my father passed away. My mother stopped sending me to Catholic study and I started to question what exactly it is I believed. I found I had none. I mean none in a supreme being et al. After careful searching I found I believed in many (not all because I am not a sheep. Maybe a kitty, but definitely not a sheep) of the ideas of Satanism. I found that after careful study, I fit the technical term of Laveyan Symbolic Satanists. Which means I simply use the idea of Satan to represent what an ideal human would be. That would basically include self responsibility. Knowledge without guilt. Self reliance. Questioning and challenging my own beliefs. Following the law of nature etc. I guess it's more of a philosophical Satanism. The more stripped down adult version. It's kind of complicated. But if I wasn't, I wouldn't be worth much.

[Eva]

We are all FSM'ers here. Blessed be His Noodly Appendage.
you don't belong here, Noc! go away!


heehee. just kidding. welcome to our humble forum!

[Noctuary]

mmm....noodles......

[Irreligious]

Welcome, Noctuary.

I don't understand what it is about Satanism, as a concept, that appeals to you, but as long as you're not of the opinion that others ought to be similarly enamored of it, you're cool with me. I am, of course, assuming that Satanism, as you practice it, does not involve harming or egregiously converting others to your way of thinking.

[Noctuary]

Welcome, Noctuary.

I don't understand what it is about Satanism, as a concept, that appeals to you, but as long as you're not of the opinion that others ought to be similarly enamored of it, you're cool with me. I am, of course, assuming that Satanism, as you practice it, does not involve harming or egregiously converting others to your way of thinking.
You are correct. I could care less about other people's souls etc. Satanism is not in the business of converting. It doesn't get me anywhere doing so. I am extremely open minded. I kind of have to be. My boyfriend is a Fundamentalist Muslim in Egypt. My open mind has gotten me a wonderful guy.:heart:

As for harm?
Well I do bite when poked.

[PhilOchsLives]

Welcome aboard.

Sounds like you guys worship nature.

I don't worship anything or anyone, nor do I adhere to any political ideology.

[Livingstrong]

Welcome to the forum, Noctuary.
You said we could ask questions so I'm gonna go ahead and ask.

Is it true that you guys worship nature? If so, wouldn't that make you more of a Pantheist?

[Irreligious]

My boyfriend is a Fundamentalist Muslim in Egypt. My open mind has gotten me a wonderful guy.:heart:
A wonderful fundamentalist Muslim? I've never met one of those, but I'll take your word for it.

As for harm?
Well I do bite when poked.
Well, we all do that. Those of us with teeth, that is. ;)

[Noctuary]

Well I don't technically 'worship' anything. Well Trent Reznor when he isn't trying to speak sing on his last album.

I follow natural law. As in I don't think we are anything but another creature on this planet. I go with the flow of things. I am too rowdy to be any kind of nature lover.

And yes, he's a wonderful Muslim. He loves me and respects me. Even though we have different beliefs, we follow and challenge those beliefs in the same way. Of course our love for Marilyn Manson actually brought us together. We met on a Manson forum. We pretty much break all stereotypes of what people think about Muslims/Satanists. I look at my boyfriend with open eyes. He is a med student and is a decent man. And he loves my mother. What more could I ask for?:heart:

[Irreligious]

And yes, he's a wonderful Muslim. He loves me and respects me. Even though we have different beliefs, we follow and challenge those beliefs in the same way. Of course our love for Marilyn Manson actually brought us together. We met on a Manson forum. We pretty much break all stereotypes of what people think about Muslims/Satanists. I look at my boyfriend with open eyes. He is a med student and is a decent man. And he loves my mother. What more could I ask for?:heart:
Mazel Tov, Noctuary. Sincerely.

Your boyfriend certainly challenges my stereotyped notions of a fundamentalist Muslim. I've known Muslims who were into all sorts of secular things that are not typically embraced by Islam, but those Muslims never claimed to be fundamentalists.

As long as your boyfriend respects, loves and accepts you for who you are, more power to you, sister. I won't judge. :cheers:

[Noctuary]

Mazel Tov, Noctuary. Sincerely.

Your boyfriend certainly challenges my stereotyped notions of a fundamentalist Muslim. I've known Muslims who were into all sorts of secular things that are not typically embraced by Islam, but those Muslims never claimed to be fundamentalists.

As long as your boyfriend respects, loves and accepts you for who you are, more power to you, sister. I won't judge. :cheers:
Thanks. He's definitely Fundamentalist. Of course at first I confused that word with extremist. I also learned a valuable lesson from him. Cultural rule and Islamic rule are very different things. He loves to discuss and debate all sorts of things with people on a logical and reason based level. I wanted to invite him here, but I wanted to test the waters first. He's very nice to people who are rude to him. I, on the other hand, go for blood if he's looked at in a wrong way. Guess it's the Satanist in me :P

And that I love him dearly

[PanAtheist]

Hi Noctuary!

I rarely post here now, but your intro has tickled a response out of me ...

I am just me, unlabeled, changing, and free ...

... and people who categorise and label themselves according to some other persons set of fixed "principles" I suspect to have craziness going on. Heck, if they go round calling themselves "Satanists" too, I know they must have some craziness going on! As crazinesses go, it seems a bit "better than thou" (in, of course, a very very very backwards kind of a way). ("I'm not just a human, I am a Satanist too!")

I am without the god insanity - and if that's what "atheist" means, then I am one. I don't, however, "disbelieve in god" nor "have no belief in god", because "god" is just a word used crazily, and I aint going to do crazy talk. (That goes for "Satan" as well!)

Frankly I believe your "I am Satanist" exactly as much as I believe others "I am a Christian". Which is not a jot! You're all barking!

Obviously you have a sense of humour.
I shall be hoping the humour will win out.
And a fully flexible and uncategorised, and free-thinking, and hale-thinking human being will come out all the time.

Yes, a truly "Raving Atheist Welcome" often includes a kick to the cunt.

As for me, I simply aspire to sanity
(but myself is having none of it).

[Noctuary]

Frankly I believe your "I am Satanist" exactly as much as I believe others "I am a Christian". Which is not a jot! You're all barking!
Ha. Some dogs bark silently too you know. In fact if we are really really quiet, we might here yours as well. For every dog does it. I just thought I was meowing more than barking. Thank you for replying. I love the sense of humor here. Fits me quite well

Oh who said I was ever sane?
I am loony as a loon
And batty as a bat :shhh:

[PanAtheist]

And thank you for replying with such good humour.
I assure you, that you won't have to be quiet! :)

[Noctuary]

Thanks guys. As it's Christmas and I celebrate ANY day my work gives me off, I am off to see Sweeney Todd. See you when I come back!

:rock:

[ubs]

I am off to see Sweeney Todd. See you when I come back!



Tell us what you think. I don't know about Depp as the Demon Barber. I was just at the theater and staring at the poster for that, but we went to Juno instead.

[skribb]

Hah, Noc what a fucking loser you are. For one, SATANIST? Well hello there angry-at-god Catholic brat. And second, your partner is a muslim? You do know that is a different creed, right? Let alone one that suppresses women?

God. Welcome to our fucking quarters. We're gonna own you so bad >_<

By the way, there is no way he is muslim, and absolutely not a fundie one. You see, muslims don't take kindly to other creeds. I think you're lying. That, or your boyfriend is a heretic muslim. Which means he ain't muslim at all, he just thinks he is. You're living a lie but you don't even know it.

[Desillusioned]

Hah, Noc what a fucking loser you are. For one, SATANIST? Well hello there angry-at-god Catholic brat. And second, your partner is a muslim? You do know that is a different creed, right? Let alone one that suppresses women?

God. Welcome to our fucking quarters. We're gonna own you so bad >_<

By the way, there is no way he is muslim, and absolutely not a fundie one. You see, muslims don't take kindly to other creeds. I think you're lying. That, or your boyfriend is a heretic muslim. Which means he ain't muslim at all, he just thinks he is. You're living a lie but you don't even know it.

there's more than one kind of fundamentalism...she said it herself fundamentalism=/=extremism.

Btw, Hello you crazy satanic girl! blessed be thee by his noodly appendage :p, welcome to this raving atheist forums.

[Noctuary]

Sweeney Todd was actually quite good. I am always leery of musicals. But it kept me interested. I also liked that it wasn't set as some high camp movie. I enjoyed it. :)

Dearest Skribb,
OMG. You pawned me LOL and OWND

There. That's the last post of yours I will ever be addressing on this board.

[skribb]

Sweeney Todd was actually quite good. I am always leery of musicals. But it kept me interested. I also liked that it wasn't set as some high camp movie. I enjoyed it. :)

Dearest Skribb,
OMG. You pawned me LOL and OWND

There. That's the last post of yours I will ever be addressing on this board.
*taking notes*

[Choobus]

I am 36 and am a Laveyan Satanist. As such I am Atheist by belief and live that belief through Satanism.

:)

what is that?

[Noctuary]

what is that?
A person who has common beliefs with that of Anton Lavey, the creator of Modern Satanism. Basically I believe in self reliance, knowledge without guilt, personal responsibility and natural law.

[Rocketman the Sequel]

A person who has common beliefs with that of Anton Lavey, the creator of Modern Satanism. Basically I believe in self reliance, knowledge without guilt, personal responsibility and natural law.

..and baldness, goatees and robes with ming the merciless style collars whenever applicable...

[Noctuary]

..and baldness, goatees and robes with ming the merciless style collars whenever applicable...
It was 1966. What were you expecting? House of Dereon?;)

[nkb]

A person who has common beliefs with that of Anton Lavey, the creator of Modern Satanism. Basically I believe in self reliance, knowledge without guilt, personal responsibility and natural law.

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one, but I'll ask it: If those are your beliefs, what is the purpose of having a religion (even if it is devoid of the usual supernatural junk)?

[Noctuary]

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one, but I'll ask it: If those are your beliefs, what is the purpose of having a religion (even if it is devoid of the usual supernatural junk)?
I see it as more of a way of living, a philosophy. If you put everything I believe in, and how I live my life, it would look like Modern Satanism. I don't look for faith I can fit into. I just noticed that it fit into me.

[Choobus]

A person who has common beliefs with that of Anton Lavey, the creator of Modern Satanism. Basically I believe in self reliance, knowledge without guilt, personal responsibility and natural law.

what's that got to do with Satan?

[nkb]

I see it as more of a way of living, a philosophy. If you put everything I believe in, and how I live my life, it would look like Modern Satanism. I don't look for faith I can fit into. I just noticed that it fit into me.
What Choobus said.

I don't get it.

[Noctuary]

What Choobus said.

I don't get it.
Technically I am a symbolic Modern Satanist. I thought I said that before but maybe it was another forum. We use the concept and symbol of Satan to represent what we want to be as a human being. Satan represents self God head I suppose. I get it. Which is the important part. If you don't, don't sweat it. It's not like my belief affects the world.:P

[Rat Bastard]

I'm not sure that satan is necessary, really. Just declare oneself as a human being. I guess if you need a reference point, OK, but otherwise just stand for what you are. Of course, that probably sounds funny coming from a guy whose handle here is "Rat Bastard", seeing as how that's not really me.

[skribb]

I see it as more of a way of living, a philosophy. If you put everything I believe in, and how I live my life, it would look like Modern Satanism. I don't look for faith I can fit into. I just noticed that it fit into me.
Yeah, the same way Wicca "fit into" me when I was 14. You're as brainwashed as any other theist, you just "chose" a different creed. And the racial darwinism, that fit into you too?

Choobus's view fits into mine, but that doesn't make me a Choobist (please forgive my insolence, O great Choobuehs).

Why do you have to belong to anything in the first place?

[Kate]

Yeah, the same way Wicca "fit into" me when I was 14. You're as brainwashed as any other theist, you just "chose" a different creed. And the racial darwinism, that fit into you too?

Choobus's view fits into mine, but that doesn't make me a Choobist (please forgive my insolence, O great Choobuehs).

Why do you have to belong to anything in the first place?

Noctuary says:
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/EPH/7724~Please-Don-t-Interrupt-Me-While-I-m-Ignoring-You-Posters.jpg

[ubs]

LOL! Kate.

I'm not sure that satan is necessary, really.

Well, it is if you want to look scary, which is why I think some of us are a little put off by it. Why the need to look threatening? Why posture?

[Kate]

Well, it is if you want to look scary, which is why I think some of us are a little put off by it. Why the need to look threatening? Why posture?

Posture is very important, ubs!
http://www.vandaprints.com/lowres/39/main/2/14115.jpg

[nkb]

Technically I am a symbolic Modern Satanist. I thought I said that before but maybe it was another forum. We use the concept and symbol of Satan to represent what we want to be as a human being. Satan represents self God head I suppose. I get it. Which is the important part. If you don't, don't sweat it. It's not like my belief affects the world.:P

OK, so back to Choobus' question. What does any of this have to do with Satan? I think that is where the big disconnect is happening here.

I'm not sweating it, I'm just trying to understand. Why do you need Satan, even as a symbol, if you are what sounds like a humanist or naturalist?

I have no issues with what you listed as your beliefs, but I see no reason to use a fictitious character to represent me.

[Kate]

http://blogs.salon.com/0003494/images/Satan%20Superstar.jpg

[skribb]

OK, so back to Choobus' question. What does any of this have to do with Satan? I think that is where the big disconnect is happening here.

I'm not sweating it, I'm just trying to understand. Why do you need Satan, even as a symbol, if you are what sounds like a humanist or naturalist?

I have no issues with what you listed as your beliefs, but I see no reason to use a fictitious character to represent me.
Is it so hard to understand, or rather, see, the angry-at-godness? That's why satanists need Satan. It's rebellious and scary and cool.

[ubs]

Posture is very important, ubs!


LOL! Indeed!


Is it so hard to understand, or rather, see, the angry-at-godness? That's why satanists need Satan. It's rebellious and scary and cool.

And a very Christian specific nose thumbing.

[Kate]

Is it so hard to understand, or rather, see, the angry-at-godness?
Obviously, yes.
http://www.gallerypauleanglim.com/_images/conner/conner_blindmans_bluff.jpg

[Choobus]

Technically I am a symbolic Modern Satanist. I thought I said that before but maybe it was another forum. We use the concept and symbol of Satan to represent what we want to be as a human being. Satan represents self God head I suppose. I get it. Which is the important part. If you don't, don't sweat it. It's not like my belief affects the world.:P

If your Satanic connections have nothing to do with the traditional Satan, why does it have to be Satan? You could Pick anyone. Hitler, Don Rickles, even Benny Hill. If you want to represent "self head", why not chose John Holmes? It is obvious that there must be something about Satan (or, the concept of Satan) you like, otherwise there is no reason to align yourself, even in a tertiary manner, with a controversial figure who will surely alienate you from godidiots, whether you are taking a forbidden pork delivery from them or not. The conclusion seems to be that by calling yourself a satanist you are really just shit stirring. I have no problem with shit stirring, but I am not fond of bullshitters.

[Wakkun]

..and baldness, goatees and robes with ming the merciless style collars whenever applicable...
OK, now it's starting to sound like fun. I've made a great start on the baldness (Wahl clippers and a Bic will do the rest in no time), and the goatee is coming along nicely due to yuletide indolence. I could do worse than looking like Max von Sydow (I'm bored with Phil Collins)... where do I sign?

[Irreligious]

A lotta folks need to belong to something. And even those of us who don't have that need will be pigeonholed by others based on our individual inherited physical phenotypes, nations of origin, sexual orientations, chosen professions, avocations, political philosophies, etc.

We humans are very tribal creatures. Maybe it's in our DNA.

The mythical Satan is one rebellious motherfucker with the balls to take on another, allegedly more powerful mythical figure that many of us here find repugnant as a character. Perhaps, some folks just find it appealing to symbolically be aligned with such brazen rebellion.

I ain't ready to join Noctuary's club by a long shot, but the basic idea of it makes a little more sense to me now than when she first introduced herself as a Satanist in this thread.

Edited

[Irreligious]

Oh, forgot to add: While I'm not Satanist, I do love playing Devil's Advocate on the Internets. :D

[Kate]

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/ksm/lowres/ksmn1849l.jpg

[Livingstrong]

Can I be a Jesusist and be an atheist? :P

[ubs]

Can I be a Jesusist and be an atheist? :P

Sure. Just don't expect us not to give you endless grief about it. :D

[Noctuary]

Wow. Lots of responses. Because I think we might be beating a dead horse into a zombie, here is my ultimate answer to almost every questions posed: Because I choose to.


Now, are there any other questions besides my belief system? I mean no one wants to know what kind of tattoos I have? What's my fave cartoon? Who I love? What I do? :)

[PhilOchsLives]

We humans are very tribal creatures. Maybe it's in our DNA.




I don't want to belong to any group or any tribe. Tribalism is pretty much the basis of racism. Religions exploit this societal tendency, which is what makes it so stinking pernicious. To the toilet with all religion.

[Noctuary]

I don't want to belong to any group or any tribe. Tribalism is pretty much the basis of racism. Religions exploit this societal tendency, which is what makes it so stinking pernicious. To the toilet with all religion.
Hate to tell you this... your statement puts you smack in the middle of the " I don't want to belong to a tribe' tribe.


*poke poke
Just ribbing ya':P

[Gnosital]

Wow. Lots of responses. Because I think we might be beating a dead horse into a zombie, here is my ultimate answer to almost every questions posed: Because I choose to.


Now, are there any other questions besides my belief system? I mean no one wants to know what kind of tattoos I have? What's my fave cartoon? Who I love? What I do? :)


Noc, I think you will find that most of us here are rather interested in discussing odd philosophies, and yours is the oddest one on the boards in a while.

We're atheists, and for the most part, that means we've all questioned our own belief systems quite thoroughly, so we are naturally inclined to be more curious about other peoples' belief systems than about their fave breakfast cereal.

I'm curious to know: if you didn't want to talk about it, why introduce yourself that way?

[Noctuary]

Noc, I think you will find that most of us here are rather interested in discussing odd philosophies, and yours is the oddest one on the boards in a while.

We're atheists, and for the most part, that means we've all questioned our own belief systems quite thoroughly, so we are naturally inclined to be more curious about other peoples' belief systems than about their fave breakfast cereal.

I'm curious to know: if you didn't want to talk about it, why introduce yourself that way?
Oh I do want to talk about it. But it seems the same question. I figured you'd all be bored by now. I am up for talking.

Also I just like to be up front about my belief system so people don't have to guess why I would say what I say etc. If I don't mention it and it comes up, they tend to think I was hiding something. If I mention it up front they tend to think that's all I am about. It's almost a no win win kind of deal for me. But if you all aren't bored out of your minds yet, I'll keep answering direct questions. Though I won't answer any that tend to sound snotty. Like that one kid's. :)

[Gnosital]

Trust me, you haven't met the snotty one yet. She's off on xmas holiday. When she gets back, you'll recognize her by the cow smell.

[Noctuary]

So now I will go back and answer your various questions:mind you I tend to be direct so please don't get offended.
I'm not sure that satan is necessary, really. Just declare oneself as a human being. I guess if you need a reference point, OK, but otherwise just stand for what you are. Of course, that probably sounds funny coming from a guy whose handle here is "Rat Bastard", seeing as how that's not really me.
I choose to declare myself as a Satanist. I don't go telling people how to declare or not declare. It does me no good. And I don't need an ok or not ok for my reference. It's my choice. It's not like I am having the Messiah's baby! (wonder If I could get WIC for that);)

LOL! Kate.



Well, it is if you want to look scary, which is why I think some of us are a little put off by it. Why the need to look threatening? Why posture?

Who said I am not scary or threatening? In my real life I am a scary threatening kind of woman. Keeps the 'tards at bay

OK, so back to Choobus' question. What does any of this have to do with Satan? I think that is where the big disconnect is happening here.

I'm not sweating it, I'm just trying to understand. Why do you need Satan, even as a symbol, if you are what sounds like a humanist or naturalist?

I have no issues with what you listed as your beliefs, but I see no reason to use a fictitious character to represent me.

Ok, I can understand that disconnect. I explained it as well I could. The disconntect doesn't bother me though. Satanism is more of an individual belief system. We don't need others to really understand. We don't even care. But on internet boards where we are all learning and discussing I try to explain best I can. I like what Satan represents. I like the rebellion, the confidence, the directness Satan represents. I am a harsh and direct woman. I pull no punches. Satan fits me perfect. Plus I already have the Devil Girl pin up tattoo. I can't exactly become a Mormon, now can I?:rock:

If your Satanic connections have nothing to do with the traditional Satan, why does it have to be Satan? You could Pick anyone. Hitler, Don Rickles, even Benny Hill. If you want to represent "self head", why not chose John Holmes? It is obvious that there must be something about Satan (or, the concept of Satan) you like, otherwise there is no reason to align yourself, even in a tertiary manner, with a controversial figure who will surely alienate you from godidiots, whether you are taking a forbidden pork delivery from them or not. The conclusion seems to be that by calling yourself a satanist you are really just shit stirring. I have no problem with shit stirring, but I am not fond of bullshitters.
My Satanic connections have to do with Modern Satanism, hence the symbol of Satan is there. Of course there is something about the concept of Satan I liked. I think I mentioned that numerous times already. I am not a bullshitter. You just seem upset you don't grasp my personal view of my Satanism. Which is ok. Suddenly I just tell you honestly what I am and you seem upset I don't fit your pre conceived idea. If you don't like it, you can ignore my posts. I am not a bullshitter or shit stirrer. I am just a person who came to post. Which is what I've been doing in the other sections. And I don't think I've been causing a rukkus. I've been pretty bland actually, being new and getting used to people.

Whew, I think that answered everyone's questions.

[Rat Bastard]

Trust me, you haven't met the snotty one yet. She's off on xmas holiday. When she gets back, you'll recognize her by the cow smell.

:lol::lol: And she snots by the udderful! The cow's not coming back from the soltstice break would be a benefit for the forum.

[Noctuary]

:lol::lol: And she snots by the udderful! The cow's not coming back from the soltstice break would be a benefit for the forum.
Is this person a bible thumper?
Because I've had my fill considering my brother is a Baptist minister :|

[Rat Bastard]

So now I will go back and answer your various questions:mind you I tend to be direct so please don't get offended.

I choose to declare myself as a Satanist. I don't go telling people how to declare or not declare. It does me no good. And I don't need an ok or not ok for my reference. It's my choice. It's not like I am having the Messiah's baby! (wonder If I could get WIC for that);)



Who said I am not scary or threatening? In my real life I am a scary threatening kind of woman. Keeps the 'tards at bay



Ok, I can understand that disconnect. I explained it as well I could. The disconntect doesn't bother me though. Satanism is more of an individual belief system. We don't need others to really understand. We don't even care. But on internet boards where we are all learning and discussing I try to explain best I can. I like what Satan represents. I like the rebellion, the confidence, the directness Satan represents. I am a harsh and direct woman. I pull no punches. Satan fits me perfect. Plus I already have the Devil Girl pin up tattoo. I can't exactly become a Mormon, now can I?:rock:


My Satanic connections have to do with Modern Satanism, hence the symbol of Satan is there. Of course there is something about the concept of Satan I liked. I think I mentioned that numerous times already. I am not a bullshitter. You just seem upset you don't grasp my personal view of my Satanism. Which is ok. Suddenly I just tell you honestly what I am and you seem upset I don't fit your pre conceived idea. If you don't like it, you can ignore my posts. I am not a bullshitter or shit stirrer. I am just a person who came to post. Which is what I've been doing in the other sections. And I don't think I've been causing a rukkus. I've been pretty bland actually, being new and getting used to people.

Whew, I think that answered everyone's questions.

Fair enough. Just look at concensus reality, though. If you call yourself a satanist, you don't really fit as an atheist, because the xtian religion provides the backdrop for satan. Be what you want to be....just remember that satan has the xtian taint about him, here.

[Gnosital]

:lol::lol: And she snots by the udderful! The cow's not coming back from the soltstice break would be a benefit for the forum.

Indeed, that would verily fulfill my every xmas wish!!!!!! In fact, if lillytards were to never again grace us with her humble presence, I would start to wonder if there really isn't a gawd allsmitey.

Is this person a bible thumper?
Because I've had my fill considering my brother is a Baptist minister :|

Good heavens~ The lillytards is a PROFESSOR of biblical expertise, and anyone with the temerity to disagree with her is treated to a fair helping of her truly xian charity. Read a few older threads, I'm sure you'll recognize who we're talking about.

[Noctuary]

Fair enough. Just look at concensus reality, though. If you call yourself a satanist, you don't really fit as an atheist, because the xtian religion provides the backdrop for satan. Be what you want to be....just remember that satan has the xtian taint about him, here.
That's ok for me here.

[Noctuary]

Indeed, that would verily fulfill my every xmas wish!!!!!! In fact, if lillytards were to never again grace us with her humble presence, I would start to wonder if there really isn't a gawd allsmitey.



Good heavens~ The lillytards is a PROFESSOR of biblical expertise, and anyone with the temerity to disagree with her is treated to a fair helping of her truly xian charity. Read a few older threads, I'm sure you'll recognize who we're talking about.
Ahh ok. Well thankfully I have this amazing ability to ignore crap. It's a gift

[Rat Bastard]

Is this person a bible thumper?
Because I've had my fill considering my brother is a Baptist minister :|

Jinkies! My condolences.

[Gnosital]

just remember that satan has the xtian taint

I didn't know there was a special kind of taint for xians!!!!

What is it, cross shaped or just full of bullshit?

[Noctuary]

Jinkies! My condolences.
He used to send me those little envelopes to put money in to support his ministry. I got tired of them. So I sent one back with the words I AM A SATANIST across it. He's never contacted me again.

See saying I am a Satanist has its advantages :P

[Rat Bastard]

He used to send me those little envelopes to put money in to support his ministry. I got tired of them. So I sent one back with the words I AM A SATANIST across it. He's never contacted me again.

See saying I am a Satanist has its advantages :P

Troo 'nuff, that prolly sends a better message than "I am an atheist", 'cuz he'll just think you are "going throught a phase", then.

[Noctuary]

Troo 'nuff, that prolly sends a better message than "I am an atheist", 'cuz he'll just think you are "going throught a phase", then.
Sometimes it doesn't matter what I say. Sometimes I get lazy and throw the devil fingers up and hiss.
Just consider it a Satanic short cut.

Honestly though I hate my brother. When I was 11 he took me to our father's grave and told me dad was dead in the dirt and would not go to heaven until the day of judgment and blah blah...all I could do was stare at the fresh dirt and cry. Fucking bastard.:(

[Rat Bastard]

Yeesh. Sorry to be the one to tell you, but your dad's NEVER going to heaven. I think.

[Noctuary]

Yeesh. Sorry to be the one to tell you, but your dad's NEVER going to heaven. I think.
No kidding. But it's not the thing you want to hear the day you bury your dad. I was fine knowing his body would just rot as part of the natural process of things. But at 11 I was raised to be Catholic. Plus I had just stared at his body in the coffin a few hours before. This would be a good post for what to tell your kids about the after life.
Hey, dad's body is stuck in the dirt till God comes is NOT what you say to an 11 year old.

[Rat Bastard]

I can agree with that! Simple consolation for the loss should be sufficient. Cruel and mythological crap should be eliminated.

[Choobus]

You just seem upset you don't grasp my personal view of my Satanism.

Wrong. I was merely curious. I don't get upset about trivia that doesn't affect me in any way.

[Noctuary]

Wrong. I was merely curious. I don't get upset about trivia that doesn't affect me in any way.
Oh. I apologize then. I am normally used to being attacked because of my beliefs. I get a little testy among new people.


*takes off chanclas and relaxes....

[Philboid Studge]

I could see identifying with Satan, at least regards the Creation myth. In the traditional story he represents knowledge, which God Allsmitey wants to keep from his sock puppets. When Adam and Steve go for that, rather than continuing their obsequious existence in Yahweh's petting zoo, they are exhibiting the finest virtues of humanity: the drive to learn more, be free, and take responsibility. Jeetards have labeled this independent streak 'Original Sin' devoting much cathexis toward regressing to that infantile, prelapsarian state. But in fact our recusant-but-inquisitive nature is the better part of us. All hail Satan!


*some metaphors may have mixed in transit

[skribb]

Here is the 5th rule (yes, the indepedent satanists need rules and regulations to thrive) of the Satanic Bible (yes, they have a bible, how independent and cool):
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
Besides vengeance being a bit silly (subjective opinion), the second part of the phrase is clearly Jesus-referring.

And here is the 8th rule:
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
Please note that sins include countless crimes such as killing, adultery etc. Satanism represents heinous acts? Way to go satanism and Noctuary!

Seventh rule of The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth:
7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
Wait, so this is like, Wicca with Satan instead of Hecate? Okay!! Okay, I know it's not real magic, but they have incantations and rituals and shit. That's how atheists roll, right? Wait...


Well, there's more of it at the official site at churchofsatan.com. Also, yeah, most aspects and opinions I actually I agree with, but I don't understand the need for a society, a tribe, a leader, a fucking CHURCH - to represent me and be my identity. See my Choobism post above.

[Livingstrong]

Trust me, you haven't met the snotty one yet. She's off on xmas holiday. When she gets back, you'll recognize her by the cow smell.

I'm sorry, but I had to post this lololololololololololololololol, at infinitum!

It's hilarious :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Gnosital]

I'm sorry, but I had to post this lololololololololololololololol, at infinitum!

It's hilarious :lol: :lol: :lol:

Thanks, LS! I'm happy to be able to boost your plasmatic O2 levels.

:thumbsup:

[Philboid Studge]

Please note that sins include countless crimes such as killing, adultery etc. Satanism represents heinous acts? Way to go satanism and Noctuary

I think they're talking about the Seven Deadly Sins, aka the Capital Vices.


Sloth rules.

[Professor Chaos]

http://www.peacheschrist.com/mmass/goons/sloth.jpg

[skribb]

http://www.peacheschrist.com/mmass/goons/sloth.jpg
Is he actually deformed or was it some guy wearing a mask? I could never tell back in my kiddy days - I was too busy being scared shitless by his face :vomit:

I think they're talking about the Seven Deadly Sins, aka the Capital Vices.


Sloth rules.

Okay, you might bere right there. In that case, yay satanism for promoting wrath and envy. Stupid.

[Desillusioned]

I think they're talking about the Seven Deadly Sins, aka the Capital Vices.


Sloth rules.

i dunno, Lust and Envy were quite powerful in FMA ;).

[Professor Chaos]

Gluttony is teh win.

[Sternwallow]

So now I will go back and answer your various questions:mind you I tend to be direct so please don't get offended.

I choose to declare myself as a Satanist. I don't go telling people how to declare or not declare. It does me no good. And I don't need an ok or not ok for my reference. It's my choice. It's not like I am having the Messiah's baby! (wonder If I could get WIC for that);)



Who said I am not scary or threatening? In my real life I am a scary threatening kind of woman. Keeps the 'tards at bay



Ok, I can understand that disconnect. I explained it as well I could. The disconntect doesn't bother me though. Satanism is more of an individual belief system. We don't need others to really understand. We don't even care. But on internet boards where we are all learning and discussing I try to explain best I can. I like what Satan represents. I like the rebellion, the confidence, the directness Satan represents. I am a harsh and direct woman. I pull no punches. Satan fits me perfect. Plus I already have the Devil Girl pin up tattoo. I can't exactly become a Mormon, now can I?:rock:


My Satanic connections have to do with Modern Satanism, hence the symbol of Satan is there. Of course there is something about the concept of Satan I liked. I think I mentioned that numerous times already. I am not a bullshitter. You just seem upset you don't grasp my personal view of my Satanism. Which is ok. Suddenly I just tell you honestly what I am and you seem upset I don't fit your pre conceived idea. If you don't like it, you can ignore my posts. I am not a bullshitter or shit stirrer. I am just a person who came to post. Which is what I've been doing in the other sections. And I don't think I've been causing a rukkus. I've been pretty bland actually, being new and getting used to people.

Whew, I think that answered everyone's questions.
Those were good answers. I have no quarrel with you or your philosophy. It is just a barrier to my understanding that you tag your collected beliefs with a symbol whose meaning to you is so different from the highly religious meaning known to most of your readers.

Suppose you were interested in my philosophy and I told you I was a devout Christian. Then, when surprised at my answer, you inquired further and I said that I was specifically a Darwinian Christian. Still unclear what I meant I added that Darwinian Christians value the individual, science, evidence, intellectual integrity, personal responsibility, enjoyment, rebellion, practical jokes and that, incidentally, we do not believe in the past or present reality of Jesus Christ. Would you not still wonder why Christ was mentioned in connection with my position?

"I have no special regard for Satan; but, I can at least claim that I have no prejudice against him. It may even be that I lean a little his way, on account of his not having a fair show. All religions issue bibles against him, and say the most injurious things about him, but we never hear his side. We have none but the evidence for the prosecution, and yet we have rendered the verdict." MT
;)

[Sternwallow]

Is this person a bible thumper?
Because I've had my fill considering my brother is a Baptist minister :|
My grandfather was a Baptist minister so I can sympathize.

The Moo in question thumps the Bible like a banshee, until you call her on it and then she begins barking that no one should believe what it says there.

It (any part we question specifically) is allegorical and intended for a primitive sand-people audience. Even though in that form it was not intended for us, we should follow it anyway, as interpreted by an unknown cadre of scholars with no God-contact credentials.

At least, a common garden-variety scripture-whomper uses the Bible that people actually read and believe.

The Moo's one saving grace is that she is NEVER WRONG, ever!

[Sternwallow]

I didn't know there was a special kind of taint for xians!!!!

What is it, cross shaped or just full of bullshit?
It's full of holy bullshit. :vomit:

[Rocketman the Sequel]

wrath baby---it's all about the wrath.

[Eva]

me thinks we scared noctuary away....with the criticism about her (strange) choice of boyfriend....

[Rhinoqulous]

me thinks we scared noctuary away....with the criticism about her (strange) choice of boyfriend....

A satanist and a fundamentalist Muslim? Nothing strange, or made up, about that. No-sir-re.

[Irreligious]

The world is full of strange things. And who said all self-professed atheists were necessarily rationalists?

Personally, I like it when folks challenge my assumptions about what's reasonable, as long as they don't go around preaching about what others should be doing to lead a happy and fulfilled life.

[Rhinoqulous]

The world is full of strange things. And who said all self-professed atheists were necessarily rationalists?

Personally, I like it when folks challenge my assumptions about what's reasonable, as long as they don't go around preaching about what others should be doing to lead a happy and fulfilled life.

I agree, but the sad fact is the few people I've met IRL that consider themselves "Satanists" do so just to try to "shock" people. It's a way to get attention, and to hide the (IME) shallowness of their personality.

(not saying anything about Noc, I don't know her, but the handful of actual "Satanists" I know have all been the same)

[Professor Chaos]

me thinks we scared noctuary away....with the criticism about her (strange) choice of boyfriend....

To be honest with you, I have no less respect for Muslims than I do for Satanists. At least Muslims (for the most part) have the excuse that they were brainwashed from childhood. Satanists are douchebags on purpose.

[Kate]

http://garyploski.com/wp-content/uploads/satan-was-a-lesbian-.jpg

[Stargazer]

me thinks we scared noctuary away....with the criticism about her (strange) choice of boyfriend....

We did. She sent me a message to that effect. I replied that all of us, including myself, are on the firing line from time to time, and that's just our questioning nature, but she hasn't been back yet, and it's too bad. We need more girl atheists around here.

[skribb]

To be honest with you, I have no less respect for Muslims than I do for Satanists. At least Muslims (for the most part) have the excuse that they were brainwashed from childhood. Satanists are douchebags on purpose.
Yeah.

http://garyploski.com/wp-content/uploads/satan-was-a-lesbian-.jpg
What do you mean "was"? Is she dead?

[Sternwallow]

Yeah.


What do you mean "was"? Is she dead?
Maybe Satan "found Christ".
:eh:

[mmfwmc]

Satan met me. Now she's straight.

[Kate]

No, bi:
http://www.thehorrorblog.com/cms/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/2girls.jpg

[mmfwmc]

She just likes to experiment. I get to watch though.

[Kate]

Got film?

[mmfwmc]

Yeah, but the camera keeps jerkingbouncing.

[ubs]

me thinks we scared noctuary away....with the criticism about her (strange) choice of boyfriend....

I guess there are scarier things than Satan.

[Kate]

But she didn't even say goodbye :(

[Stargazer]

But she didn't even say goodbye :(

She kind of did in a PM to me. (See my earlier post on this thread) I replied, hoping she might come back, but so far she hasn't.

[Kate]

Right, cuz a Private Message to one person is, like, good to let us all know.

[Stargazer]

Right, cuz a Private Message to one person is, like, good to let us all know.

I still hold out hope she'll return.

[Kate]

http://www.alaskavisitorscenter.com/images/hopefishingcharters.jpg

[Stargazer]

http://www.alaskavisitorscenter.com/images/hopefishingcharters.jpg

Perhaps I'm a Pollyanna, but I like to think positively. Maybe she just needs some time.

[nkb]

If she couldn't handle a little skepticism and scrutiny, then maybe it's for the best that she left. People with thin skin don't seem to do too well here.

[Livingstrong]

No, bi:
http://www.thehorrorblog.com/cms/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/2girls.jpg

This pic is a complete turn on. Hot hot hot hot hot hot!