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DirkStruan
05-23-2008, 01:12 PM
Hi all,

first, sorry if my english isn't perfect, but it isn't my mother tongue (I'm from Germany). I just stumbled upon this forum and after reading some of the posts here I decided to join as I really like the attidude most of the people here show.

Regarding myself: I was raised as a catholic and for the first 20 years of my life, I followed this belief without thought. However, after I became interested in evolutionary biology (especially by reading the books of Ernst Mayr and later by Richard Dawkins) I began to develop doubts as I just couldn't (and still can't) believe that someone could ignore the facts of evolution and believe in some crazy fairy tales out of a book written by guys who lived their whole live in some shitty desert.

After this "ephiphany" I became an agnostic as I thought that it is rather comfortable just to say, that you don't know if there is a god or not. For some years I lived on like that, but after reading some "atheist books" (e.g. Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, Bertrand Russell) I came to the conclusion that being an agnostic is neither fish nor fowl. You have to make a decision. Either you believ in some sort of god or you don't! That's what I did and after a long way, I am now an atheist and anti-theist.

Hope I didn't bore you with my story. :)

Greetings from Germany

nkb
05-23-2008, 01:24 PM
Welcome Dirk,
Where do you live in Germany?

I was born and grew up in Munich before going to college in the US. I still visit my mother as often as I can, but I have young children now, so she usually has to come here.

Note: Your English appears excellent, better than many American posters here (don't get me started on the Brits, it's almost as if they have their own little secret language), no need for apologies.

ubs
05-23-2008, 01:27 PM
Welcome DirkStruan!

DirkStruan
05-23-2008, 01:34 PM
Thanks for the welcome!

I live and work in Stuttgart.

GaryM
05-23-2008, 01:46 PM
Hello. Have you read the book "Tai-Pan" by James Clavell?

DirkStruan
05-23-2008, 01:50 PM
:) Yeah, I have read it. I use the name as my nick since I'm online. It's a great book!

nkb
05-23-2008, 01:57 PM
My mom still lives in Munich, but my brother moved to Stuttgart a few years ago.

Herzlich wilkommen, Dirk, hoffentlich gefällt es Dir bei Uns. Ich wünsch Dir viel Spaß.

Choobus
05-23-2008, 02:05 PM
(don't get me started on the Brits, it's almost as if they have their own little secret language)

Yeah we do. It's called English.....

PanAtheist
05-23-2008, 06:50 PM
Hi all,

first, sorry if my english isn't perfect, but it isn't my mother tongue (I'm from Germany). I just stumbled upon this forum and after reading some of the posts here I decided to join as I really like the attidude most of the people here show.

Regarding myself: I was raised as a catholic and for the first 20 years of my life, I followed this belief without thought. However, after I became interested in evolutionary biology (especially by reading the books of Ernst Mayr and later by Richard Dawkins) I began to develop doubts as I just couldn't (and still can't) believe that someone could ignore the facts of evolution and believe in some crazy fairy tales out of a book written by guys who lived their whole live in some shitty desert.

After this "ephiphany" I became an agnostic as I thought that it is rather comfortable just to say, that you don't know if there is a god or not. For some years I lived on like that, but after reading some "atheist books" (e.g. Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, Bertrand Russell) I came to the conclusion that being an agnostic is neither fish nor fowl. You have to make a decision. Either you believ in some sort of god or you don't! That's what I did and after a long way, I am now an atheist and anti-theist.

Hope I didn't bore you with my story. :)

Greetings from Germany

Welcome!
Greetings from England!

Your English is clear, and easy to read.
As a non-native user of English, your simplicity of expression sets an example of clarity to me, a native speaker! :D

Your story is brief and well expressed.

You say:
You have to make a decision. It sounds like you made a decision to think and act on an understanding that "God" is a nonsense.
We cannot decide what we realize.

DirkStruan
05-23-2008, 07:14 PM
Right. "Decide" is the wrong word.

I think, saying "I came to my senses" fits better.

PanAtheist
05-23-2008, 07:30 PM
That's a nice expression.

I am curious:
What do Germans think of, ehmm, "God"?
How is atheism/antitheism/antireligion going in Germany?

calpurnpiso
05-23-2008, 08:56 PM
Hi all,

first, sorry if my english isn't perfect, but it isn't my mother tongue (I'm from Germany). I just stumbled upon this forum and after reading some of the posts here I decided to join as I really like the attidude most of the people here show.

Regarding myself: I was raised as a catholic and for the first 20 years of my life, I followed this belief without thought. However, after I became interested in evolutionary biology (especially by reading the books of Ernst Mayr and later by Richard Dawkins) I began to develop doubts as I just couldn't (and still can't) believe that someone could ignore the facts of evolution and believe in some crazy fairy tales out of a book written by guys who lived their whole live in some shitty desert.

After this "ephiphany" I became an agnostic as I thought that it is rather comfortable just to say, that you don't know if there is a god or not. For some years I lived on like that, but after reading some "atheist books" (e.g. Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, Bertrand Russell) I came to the conclusion that being an agnostic is neither fish nor fowl. You have to make a decision. Either you believ in some sort of god or you don't! That's what I did and after a long way, I am now an atheist and anti-theist.

Hope I didn't bore you with my story. :)

Greetings from Germany
Hi mein freund. Welcome to the forum where mentally healthy folks, aka atheists ( kein Gehirn gestoert), spend their hours of meditation and solace. I am from the heavenly paradise of Arizona. Servus. :)

dogpet
05-24-2008, 04:09 AM
Zwei groß Bier bitte :cheers:

psychodiva
05-24-2008, 04:12 AM
(don't get me started on the Brits, it's almost as if they have their own little secret language), no need for apologies.

watch it you :) we invented the language :poke: so we are allowed our secrets :D

psychodiva
05-24-2008, 04:14 AM
oh and hello - I spent a lot of my childhood on Germany (my dad was in the Army) and I can still understand a lot of German but not speak it very well anymore as I am out of practice :(

as nkb says- your English is better than a lot of people we get on here :)

psychodiva
05-24-2008, 04:14 AM
Yeah we do. It's called English.....


:thumbsup: what he said

Choobus
05-24-2008, 05:09 AM
Indeed

antix
05-24-2008, 06:59 AM
Yeah we do. It's called English..... Haha! The joke's on you. We've tricked you into revealing your little secret. Now that we know, we shall contaminate the language with ridiculous nonsense such as "yall" and "hee haw"

oh... wait... we already did that, didn't we? Never mind then.

Sternwallow
05-24-2008, 09:20 AM
Hi all,

first, sorry if my english isn't perfect, but it isn't my mother tongue (I'm from Germany). I just stumbled upon this forum and after reading some of the posts here I decided to join as I really like the attidude most of the people here show.

Regarding myself: I was raised as a catholic and for the first 20 years of my life, I followed this belief without thought. However, after I became interested in evolutionary biology (especially by reading the books of Ernst Mayr and later by Richard Dawkins) I began to develop doubts as I just couldn't (and still can't) believe that someone could ignore the facts of evolution and believe in some crazy fairy tales out of a book written by guys who lived their whole live in some shitty desert.

After this "ephiphany" I became an agnostic as I thought that it is rather comfortable just to say, that you don't know if there is a god or not. For some years I lived on like that, but after reading some "atheist books" (e.g. Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, Bertrand Russell) I came to the conclusion that being an agnostic is neither fish nor fowl. You have to make a decision. Either you believ in some sort of god or you don't! That's what I did and after a long way, I am now an atheist and anti-theist.

Hope I didn't bore you with my story. :)

Greetings from Germany
Greetings also to you. Your English is a refreshing improvement over several of our recent demented theist posters.

As much as I admire and appreciate Brits, I am slightly relieved that you are not yet another one. This forum seems to attract more than its share of Brits and nutbar theists. I am not suggesting any connection between them, of course.

Welcome.

Eva
05-24-2008, 10:51 PM
welcome to our humble forum, dirk!

your english is better than the crap posted by any theist. HA! (and english is not my first language either....)

ghoulslime
05-25-2008, 12:48 AM
Greetings, Dirk!

We know who will be bringing the beer to atheist parties from now on.

Smellyoldgit
05-25-2008, 06:35 PM
Welcome to the show.

Next RA meet-up is surely set for the Oktoberfest (which usually happens in September)

nkb
05-26-2008, 09:16 AM
Next RA meet-up is surely set for the Oktoberfest (which usually happens in September)

Always happens in September (and always ends in October).

Smellyoldgit
05-26-2008, 09:25 AM
Every time I've been, it's ended with severe memory loss.

psychodiva
05-26-2008, 11:41 AM
is that a bad thing?

Smellyoldgit
05-26-2008, 11:56 AM
Is what a bad thing?

sparhawk13
05-26-2008, 12:27 PM
We know who will be bringing the beer to atheist parties from now on.
Hefeweissen. MMMmmm. Did you have to do that, GS? Iraq is kind of a dry country. Now I'm thirsty.

psychodiva
05-26-2008, 01:24 PM
severe memory loss.


that :)

Smellyoldgit
05-26-2008, 06:34 PM
.... sorry - - I've forgotten the question ....

psychodiva
05-26-2008, 08:21 PM
:P