Christian Forums grrrrrrr

[Illuminati]

Last night I signed up at www.christianforums.com and there was a section called "Questions by non-christians". Someone entered a question "Does that mean there is no god" and I simply quoted that and said yes. But apparently, only christians are allowed to answer the questions of non-christians so I was immediately banned, and my ip is now blocked from even entering the site.

My question is, why the fear? I didn't realize that that section was xtian only, but banning someone for that is pretty lame. Reminds me of the borg "Resistance is futile, prepare to be assimilated"

[Anonymous_number1]

What did you expect? Honesty? Hell no.

I hear this time and time again in the other forums I frequent to. Pretty much, everyone just keeps out of those sites. No use in going there unless you really want to waste your time or humor yourself.

[Illuminati]

Yeah, at least here we listen to the stupid irrational arguments people provide, then quickly disprove them. As oppose to blocking differing view points out.

[solidsquid]

There is no room for freedom of thought in the Fundamentalist Christian camp my friend, no deviation from the group.

[Illuminati]

I got booted from my second christian forum board.

[solidsquid]

You might be on the verge of being blackballed man...th' man gonna keep you down...

[Anonymous_number1]

Th' man? LOL

[Paul123]

I'm going to go there now. mwahaha.

[Paul123]

I'm having a bit of a crisis.
I have an atheist friend and she tells me not to believe, and calls christianity. She points out all these inconsistencies in the bible and tells me about all this corruption and stuff within the church. She says that God cannot exist, because the whole idea is contradictory. She tells me that any educated person who goes to their death bed believing they'll live on in a new world, is foolish and should never have been educated because 'it didn't work'. She believes in the notions of evolution and the big bang. I really need help, all the things she's telling me make logical sense, but i don't want to abandon my lord Jesus.
Has anyone got any things that i can tell her that will change her mind from atheism and convince me of my faith. I'm really in need of help here. Thanks everybody!!!

That was a post i put up there. Let's see how they answer. I wonder what quality of answer i'll get back. Jon already proved christians aren't all dumb hicks and has a good basis for his belief. I wonder if they'll be the same.

[Illuminati]

everyone go there, and talk about how you are being converted to atheism. My name is Valhalla.

[solidsquid]

Covert missions eh? As much fun as I'm sure it would be, I don't want to do what I would find annoying if it were to be done on an atheist forum. However, if I were invited by the board, it would be a different story.

[Paul123]

I just wanted to see how they'd react. They're all pretty logical so far. I didn't expect stupid 'GOD GOD GOD' people. I wanted them though.

[Illuminati]

Hehehe

[anon]

This is copied and pasted from the general rules section of Christian Forums.

7. You will come in here with the attitude and mindset that you are not always right. Stonewallers, and trolls need not apply (and hence will be happily removed from the board). This includes people on both sides of the debate.

Ultimately the motto for this board is:

"The truth is evident as far as we are willing to see it in its totality."

In short, the more willing you are to consider another person's viewpoint, the more productive to reach this goal of finding the truth, you will be.

Your comment was petitio principii, unsupported, and biased (in the sense that instead of arguing FOR your position you stated FROM it). They clearly stated you would be banned for such things and did so when you broke the rules by which you agreed to abide. It should be dually noted that a good friend of mine, a Christian, arguing for God, made a comment that was much the same, and was treated just like you. So . . .

[Illuminati]

Death to the heathens

[SKS]

Hi Valhalla! I post on there sometims as 2001MustangGT

I agree that CF is a pain sometimes. The moderators have no accountability and Ive seen rather inconsistent and rash behavior from them.

On IIDB there are a few threads discussing this issue. And comparisons are made between mod stuff at IIDB vs. CF and its clear IIDB has a better moderator system.

Not suprisingly though, since Cf and its mods base their whole mindsets on conclusions before evidence.

[MrCynic38]

Are you surprised that the mods on "www.christianforums.com" are biased against us? Come on, were suposted to be logical here :P

[SKS]

They are biased against everyone. Christians and atheists alike complain of the wacky behaviors of the mods over there.

[MrCynic38]

i just registered (MrC38) and i was browsing the profile page, i see in the origin of life section they have something called theistic evolution.... what the hell is that?

[solidsquid]

I believe it's those who hold that evolution is true or supported but it was begun by god or guided by god or something to that effect.

[SKS]

yes... its like a mix of intelligent design/creationism to start off the whole process, and then admitting that evolution is responsible for the results (after the Godly conception/creation of course)

Now go start posting the the General Apologetics forum! :)

[Illuminati]

I'm going to start a raving atheist thread, on CF.

[MrCynic38]

theistic evolution sounds like what i tried to belive when i was clinging to my belief in god.....

Illum, post a link here

[Illuminati]

It is going to have to wait, I got suspended for saying "Satan Bless You".

[MrCynic38]

wow, silly intolerant freaks

[Illuminati]

I am going to threaten legal action.

[Paul123]

Do it. Make money off the fools if you can.

[Paradox]

no better way to unfairly obtain money than to sue for emotional distress. just try to prove that im not traumatized!

[Paul123]

yeah baby. Milk the satan intolerant scum like a big fat lactose intolerant cow.

[MrCynic38]

I wish i knew how to hack websites, I'd really mess with them.

[Illuminati]

Hehe, yeah man, well, I just signed up again my new name is Mephistophelian!


Linkage: http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=10648169#post10648169

[Paul123]

My name's Andrew_faith

[Paradox]

Hehe, yeah man, well, I just signed up again my new name is Mephistophelian!


Linkage: http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=10648169#post10648169

nice choice for a nickname, i doubt anyone at christian forums would know anything about mephistophelian.

[Illuminati]

I think they blocked my ip, I guess I will have to wait and see.

[Illuminati]

i am posting here now, under Mephistopheles.

http://www.somegoodstuff.com/forum/index.php?

[Illuminati]

Learn to use proper english, then perhaps you will have better luck at influencing people.

[Paul123]

Well that's your belief CusterKen. I don't believe any of it, but there you go, that's just evil old me.

[Atheist Resistance Front]

Here's my problem...every officicially atheistic government has exterminated believers just as rapidly as time and technology and political reality allows.

So why are atheists so suprised that believers are wary of them?

Even the Guiness Book of World Records lists Stalin and Mao as the greatest mass murderers of all times...makes the inquisitors and the crusaders look like wimps.

[MrCynic38]

ARF, you're mistaken. Stalin and Mao are two of the greatest mass murderers of the 20th century. And communism isn't offically atheistic, its secular. And the didn't exterminate theists, they exterminated the capitalists and such that stood against them.

[Illuminati]

Stalin was secular and killed people, Hitler was catholic, and killed people. What is your point?

[MrCynic38]

Im gonna pre-empt anybody tryng to make the claim that Hitler was an atheist by posting this link:

http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/murphy_19_2.html

[Illuminati]

good call

[MrCynic38]

I figured it would be

[Atheist Reisistance Front]

One thing we do know...Hitler was a liar, like many politicians.

We also know that his private remarks on relgion were different from his public remarks...Albert Speer talks about this in "Inside the Third Reich".

And Hitler, according to Speer, Shirer, Bullock, and Hugh Trevor Roper of Oxford indicate that Hitler venerated Nietzsche. He misused Nietzsche of course, just like he misused Darwin, evolution, and Christianity as he saw fit, but Hitler nevertheless venerated him.

And there is no doubt Nietzsche was a raving atheist.

So what's the deal? The suspcion is that while Hitler may have made references to Christianity his private beliefs were far different.

I think he was an atheist.

He certainly lived like he would never have to answer to any higher power and that there was no one and nothing superior to him.

[Illuminati]

Sigh, since I know a little about this subject I will enlighten you. Hitler believed in the literal meaning of Adam and Eve. He believed that those two were the foundation of the aryan race. He also believed that natural selection occured, however all races that evolved through natural selection (the non-aryan races) were inferior to those who came from Adam and Eve. He also blamed the jews for the death of christ. So no, he was not an atheist, because by definition no atheist can believe in Adam and Eve.

[MrCynic38]

He didn't live like he'd never have to asnwer to anybody. He belived that he was doing god's work. He thought he would be rewarded in heaven. Much like the muslim extremests of today belive they'll be rewarded. If he was an atheist, then why are all of the neo-nazis raving right-wing christians?

[Atheist Resistance Front]

My previous point was that Hitler was a liar, like many politicians.

It is clear from Speers remarks in Inside the Third Reich that Hitler would say one thing in public and quite another in private and that Speer beleived he held all relgion in contempt...for example, he clearly believed in evolution and in his view of the survival of the fittest. This provided a basis for his racist notions and his idea of the elimination of the "unfit". (Straight from Nietzsche by the way..."elimination of the weak and defective, the first principle of our philosophy"; Nietzsche, the AntiChrist, sec. 2 and following.)

Of course he misused Darwin and Nietzsche, just like he misused history, religion, and everything he touched.

So my suspicion, and of course this is just my opinion and I am open to debate, is that he was actually an atheist.

And a supreme opportunist, using whatever was at hand to suit his purposes.

Ever heard of politicians doing that?

On a side note, someone had remarked that the Soviet Union was secular, not atheistic...I would disagree in that the Soviet Constitution called for atheism as the official position of the state.

A secular state would take no position either way, but respect freedom for all.

[MrCynic38]

My previous point was that Hitler was a liar, like many politicians.I agree

It is clear from Speers remarks in Inside the Third Reich that Hitler would say one thing in public and quite another in private and that Speer beleived he held all relgion in contempt...for example, he clearly believed in evolution and in his view of the survival of the fittest.Did you even read anybody else's post? Hitler belived that the aryan races was created by god via adam and eve, and all of the other, inferior races, evolved through natural selection.
This provided a basis for his racist notions and his idea of the elimination of the "unfit". (Straight from Nietzsche by the way..."elimination of the weak and defective, the first principle of our philosophy"; Nietzsche, the AntiChrist, sec. 2 and following.)Niezche wasn't the first to think of that idea.

Of course he misused Darwin and Nietzsche, just like he misused history, religion, and everything he touched.

I see no evidence of atheism

So my suspicion, and of course this is just my opinion and I am open to debate, is that he was actually an atheist.

But you've really given no evidence besides he read a Nietsche book or two.

And a supreme opportunist, using whatever was at hand to suit his purposes.

Like many fundamentalists religous leaders of today

Ever heard of politicians doing that?

Yeah, ever hear of an atheist politician?

On a side note, someone had remarked that the Soviet Union was secular, not atheistic...I would disagree in that the Soviet Constitution called for atheism as the official position of the state.

Really, show me some evidence of that and i'll change my mind. I'm not being snide, I really could be wrong, but i wanna see some evidence.

A secular state would take no position either way, but respect freedom for all.
Well they were forced to worship stalin as god, i think that could be a reason for stalin banning any other religion. he wanted to be god.

Buddy, If you're our resistance front. We're in trouble.

[Goldsteinian]

Yes, I would agree that you are in trouble if the above posts are typical of your reasoning process.

You asked if ARF read posts, and referred to Hitler believing in Adam and Eve.

Do you have any references to that?

ARF did give references; he referred to Inside the Third Reich and Speers's remarks on Hitler's private comments...it seems he was arguing that while Hitler may have made public references to relgion, his private beleifs were something else.

You totally ignored his point and made references without any back up.

So, as to Hitler believing in Adam and Eve, references please.

You may be right, so instead of engaging in a string of insults, just provide the references...should be simple, right?

[solidsquid]

Just a note, Hitler began Mein Kampf while in prison....waaaaay before he even had any notion of being in politics and waaaaaay before he was Chancellor. So, for what reason would a "nobody" in prison need to dictate propaganda? Even in the latter 20's, his book still sold very slowly...hardly something as a means of propaganda or disinformation.

Also, Hitler was NEVER excommunicated and the church had even originally back him. The churches in Germany, Catholic and Protestant backed him...church services were made manditory in Nazi Germany... and many other items that served no propagandic usage whatsoever.

[Goldsteinian]

I must disagree...Hitler began political activity in 1919, shortly after being discharged from the army, when he joined the German Worker's Party (the Nazis) according to William Shirer, Heiden, Bullock, Trevor-Roper, and Fest.

"Mein Kamphf" it is true was started when he was in prison but that was in 1924 after he had been thrown in prison for trying to stage a coup in Bavaria...such a person would have plenty of motives for writing propaganda and hoping for early release; which is in fact what he obtained after only about a year of his sentence.

But the original point remains, he was a liar and he hated the church according to Speer, Bormann, and Rauschnigg.

What were his true beliefs.

His only belief was in himself...no gods, no masters.

Like a good atheist.

"What is good? All that enhances the feeling of power, the Will to Power, and power itself in man. What is bad? All that proceeds from weakness." Sounds like Hitler but its straight from Nietzsche the Syphillitic...sec. 2 of "The Anti-Christ".

[Illuminati]

Does altering the facts of history make you sleep well at night?

[Paradox]

hitler was a deist, but most of his propaganda was jutified by the christian god. thats how he got the people to rally behind him. dont forget, hitler was voted into power by a prodominately theistic nation.
so, even if hitler was an atheist, what was the rest of the nations excuse Goldsteinian?

[atheist resistance front]

Hey, Illuminated One...how did Goldstein alter facts of history?

His discussion of Hitler's start in political activity and writing of Mein Kampf is exactly correct according to what I have been able to find in Shirer, Toland and mainstream biographies.

His references to religion helped him get out of prison in about a year...for a sentence of treason and trying to overthrow the government in the 1924 coup!

Please shall your secret sources of in information with us, oh great Illuminated One.

[MrCynic38]

ARF, I noticed that you completly ignored Paradox's post. If you want to be condesending towards Illuminati, at least cover your own ass first.

[Goldsteinian]

And, Cynical One, I notice that you ignored ARF's answer to the illuminated one...if you want to avoid historical facts, cover your own ass first.

It is clear that Hitler wrote Mein Kampf AFTER he began political activity, and while he was in prison...giving him plenty of reason to produce propaganda for his early release, which in fact was done after only a about a year or so.

Conclusion...Hitler was a liar who twisted whatever he needed to, to suit his purposes.

Darwin, evolution, Christianity, history, all were grist for his mill.

Why are atheists so afraid to admit that?

I mean, they are absolutely petrified.

I think they know the implications and will tell any lie to cover them up

[MrCynic38]

It isn't my responsiblity to respond for illum, but paradox did ask ARF a question.

If hitler twisted both evolution and christianity, how can you say he was an atheist and not a christian?

[Goldsteinian]

Because atheism, as many posters have defined it, makes no claims and can therefore be used or misused as one sees fit.

And because Hitler, in his private remarks to Speer, Bormann, Rauschnigg and others many of which were archived and captured intact after the war (Hugh Trevor Roper of Oxford) despised every aspect of religion and told Speer he would deal with the pastors "after the war" and make an end to them.

[MrCynic38]

You can't misuse atheism. Atheism is just a non-belief. He misued christianity. That seemed to be very for him, considering he convinced a nation of mostly christians that jews, homosexuals, and other types of people.

[ocmpoma]

MrC, I have to disagree. One can misuse athiesm. In fact, it is being misused on the other thread, where certain people are claiming that it is a philosophy in order to attack it as such. Now, I do wholeheartedly agree that Hitler misused Christianity, and am also awaiting a response to Paradox's question (which still remains unanswered).
Oh, and Goldsteinian, a person can misuse lots of things - including religion. You seem to say that something which can be misused is bad. Once again, thank you for attacking yourself.

[solidsquid]

The whole accusation that if one atheist was really evil then all atheists are evil is fallacious in itself in any case. Also, Goldstein, Darwinian evolution has NOTHING to do with eugenics, that is social darwinism and you should be trashing Herbert Spencer for that.

Hitler was catholic pure and simple, he believed in a god and doing "his will" in exterminating the "killers of christ". You can rationalize it all you like to avoid cognitve dissonance but it won't change history.

[Erik]

And, of course, it has absolutely no bearing on whether atheism is a correct view.

[MrCynic38]

MrC, I have to disagree. One can misuse athiesm. In fact, it is being misused on the other thread, where certain people are claiming that it is a philosophy in order to attack it as such. Now, I do wholeheartedly agree that Hitler misused Christianity, and am also awaiting a response to Paradox's question (which still remains unanswered).
Oh, and Goldsteinian, a person can misuse lots of things - including religion. You seem to say that something which can be misused is bad. Once again, thank you for attacking yourself.

You're right. You can misuse it by misrepresenting it. If you turn it into a philosophy, then yes, you can manuipulate it. In it's true form (the non-belief in a diety) Its not as easy to misrepresent.

[goldsteinian]

What you are misrepresenting is the defintion of atheism as if it were an absolute.

The definition of "lack of belief in a deity" is one defintion.

The definition that "there is no god" is another definition and is the one stated in the basic assumptions of this site.

What is phony is your pretence that the weaker defintion of "lack of belief" is THE defintion.

But I quite understand, because stating it as simply "a lack of belief" in god is easier to defend, and seems to be the trend these days.

I guess I simply "lack belief" in your defintion! hahahahahahahahahahahaha!

[Goldsteinian]

So mushy squid claims Hitler was a catholic "pure and simple"...historically false and he knows it. Hitler was a liar and his public professions were not the same as his private ones.

And that is the answer to the question Paradox posed...Hitler was a liar and he lied about what he was going to do and he even lied while he was doing it.

But I will say this then...Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, Mao, Pol Pot, Sartre (advocate of terrorism) and Sanger (advocate of eugenics) were all atheists pure and simple.

Oh yeah, and let's not forget another atheist great, Dr. Kevorkian...a real gem by any standard.

The point? Atheists have nothing to brag about.

[ocmpoma]

Ah, so now we're believing definitions? What's next for the theists out there to belive in? Goldie, please explain what the huge difference between the two 'definitions' you supply above is? And why are we discussing this on two separate threads?

[Erik]

No, Goldsteinian. Paradox posed this question: even if you could prove Hitler was an atheist, how do you explain the actions of a nation of believers? Saying that Hitler lied doesn't get you anywhere close to an answer.

[goldsteinian]

Now you are lying...Germany was not a nation of believers. It was one of the most scientifically advance societies on earth. Higher Criticism had gutted the Bible, and Haeckel's evolutionary theories were dominant.

The college students supported Hitler in mass...the universites rolled over...professors like Heidegger fell all over themselves signing up for Hitler.

Scientists collaborated to provide Hitler the most advanced weapons of the time, jet aircraft, ballistic missles (gotta love von Braun for that) you name it.

And when priests or pastors (like Niemoller and Bonhoeffer) protested he locked em up or shot em.

Are you that desparate to distort history, or do you really not know anything of that era?

[solidsquid]

So mushy squid claims Hitler was a catholic "pure and simple"...historically false and he knows it. Hitler was a liar and his public professions were not the same as his private ones.

He was catholic...sorry to burst your bubble. Never excommunicated either. Church services were made manditory, the churches in Germany fully supported him as well.

But I will say this then...Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, Mao, Pol Pot, Sartre (advocate of terrorism) and Sanger (advocate of eugenics) were all atheists pure and simple.

This is a fallacious line of reasoning is following that if many "evil" individuals are associated with non-belief, then non-belief is evil as well...that is simply not true.

Oh yeah, and let's not forget another atheist great, Dr. Kevorkian...a real gem by any standard.

Kevorkian performed euthanasia upon those who chose to do so. They were in great amounts of pain from items like terminal illnesses. The ridiculousness of saying that Kevorkian was "bad" for what he did is relative in a moral sense. The state had decided it can dictate if people can die or not. Euthenasia is a far better route than dying a slow and excrutiating death over years. The legislative view on the subject is heavily influenced by personal beliefs and (who would have thought) religion.

The point? Atheists have nothing to brag about.

Who's bragging about what? People who commit atrocities can be found in any belief system, any country, any ethnic group, etc. Such behavior knows no boundaries...even the Christian religion.

Also, the "which group has worse people in it" area of discussion is futile...it addresses nothing of pertinence.

But if you want to sling around atrocities claims, how about current events:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/curr_war.htm

[solidsquid]

Here's some more information for ya:

This article presents the actual note page from which Hitler uses the Bible as the monumental history of mankind for which we can give thanks to Werner Maser for bringing it first to publication in his book, "Hitler's Letters and Notes."

Hitler wrote these private notes while in his 30s and they predate his political career. Although Hitler wrote his first political antisemitic letter to Adolf Gemlich on September 16, 1919, these notes show the Biblical influence on the young Hitler in regards to his views on race laws at around the same time. Hitler's 1919 letter without his notes to provide context has led many scholars to incorrectly conclude that Hitler's antisemitism started from a purely secular mind-set. The Biblical references, especially in regards to the race laws mentioned in these notes, clearly shows that Hitler had a religious reason for his Jewish hatred and his views on race laws which later turned into the Nuremberg laws.

Hitler's Bible--Monumental History of Mankind (http://www.nobeliefs.com/HitlerBible.htm)

[Erik]

Perhaps you would like to spend some time reading, gold. You can start with my post, in which I was merely correcting your misstatement regarding Paradox's actual question. Oh, sorry, was that a mistake, or were you just telling a lie?

You make a lot of really stupid assumptions about someone you know nothing about. I have studied this period quite a bit, and lived in Germany when I was a kid. My dad grew up in 1920's and 30's Germany and will attest to the fairly religious nature of the better part of the population. Your efforts to paint that society as highly secular just doesn't square with the facts. Sure, Germany had plenty of intellectuals who were also atheists, but the considerable majority of the population was not engaged in higher criticism of the Bible, or reading Ersnt Haeckel while sitting on the pot.

If Bonhoeffer's imprisonment proves that Hitler was anti-religious, then I guess Hitler's imprisonment of hundreds if not thousands of German Communists, mostly atheists like my grandfather, proves that he was anti-secular. If you want to play the numbers game, you won't win that one.

In fact, your own arguments do you in. On the one hand, you say that Hitler was a a liar -- with a pious face for the public, and a private secular one. Why would he feel the need to have a pious public face at all if the population was so thoroughly secular?

In the meantime, either cut the ad hominem crap, or go fuck yourself. Preferably both.

[lurker]

Can I jump in here? I am a christian as I think Goldsteinian is. I find it troubling that Goldsteinian is trying to make a case of "we're better than them". Not true. We are all lost in our sin so in that sense we are all very much the same. By the grace of god you were saved Goldsteinian. Don't fool yourself into thinking you earned it, because you didn't.
- lurker

[Paradox]

But I will say this then...Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, Mao, Pol Pot, Sartre (advocate of terrorism) and Sanger (advocate of eugenics) were all atheists pure and simple.

Oh yeah, and let's not forget another atheist great, Dr. Kevorkian...a real gem by any standard.

The point? Atheists have nothing to brag about.

there are millions of atheists on this planet, so no surprise that there were some morally corrupt atheists, but why dont we actually look at the bigger picture here. the fact is, according to the federal bureau of prisons only 0.209% of the prison population are non-spiritual atheists.

[MrCynic38]

Now you are lying...Germany was not a nation of believers. It was one of the most scientifically advance societies on earth. Higher Criticism had gutted the Bible, and Haeckel's evolutionary theories were dominant.

So are you saying that science is incompatable with belief in god?

[MrCynic38]

there are millions of atheists on this planet, so no surprise that there were some morally corrupt atheists, but why dont we actually look at the bigger picture here. the fact is, according to the federal bureau of prisons only 0.209% of the prison population are non-spiritual atheists.

Also, before gold decides to say what i think he's saying. I should say that the low number of atheists in prison has little, if anything, to do with the low number in the population. about 15% of americans are non-religious. About 1/5 of 1% of the prison population is atheistic.

[Goldsteinian]

Erik, i lived in Germany too in the 80's with my parents...and I have studied the era in question.

AS I made clear, Hitler was a liar because he said one thing in public and one thing in private, like many politicians...as attested to by Speer, Bormann, Raushnigg and others.

You have distorted what I said, deliberately...so you are a liar too and since you started the ad hominems shove it mudda fucker!!!

[MrCynic38]

Now you are lying...Germany was not a nation of believers. It was one of the most scientifically advance societies on earth. Higher Criticism had gutted the Bible, and Haeckel's evolutionary theories were dominant.

So are you saying that science is incompatable with belief in god?

Gold you didn't answer me

[solidsquid]

...so you are a liar too and since you started the ad hominems shove it mudda fucker!!!

This is very immature and childish...grow up.

[Goldsteinian]

What's to answer? You are misrepresenting what I said. I never said science was incompatible with belief in God...but Germany was full of people who claimed that.

[MrCynic38]

If Germany wasn't a nation of belivers, why would hitler have to lie about religon to manipulate them.

[Goldsteinian]

Germany had believers, but it was not a nation of believers.

Please stop mispresenting my arguments.

To continue to do so would make you a liar.

[Erik]

Goldsteinian,

You need to read with better comprehension. Look back over your posts, and realize that you haven't answered Paradox's question, which was, and I'm paraphrasing: Even if you could prove Hitler was an atheist, why would he have bothered to have a pious public face? You simply haven't answered that question. That's what I posed to you in my first post on this thread, and your response was to call me a liar.

So grow up already. Stop calling people liars. It's just plain wrong, and makes you look like an idiot.

Germany had a lot of believers in the 20's and 30's; it was a highly organized society with active party/church affiliations. Religious instruction was required in public schools, which continued into at least the early 70's, when I was in school there and had to get a specific exemption from religion classes from my parents, who refused to make me sit through that crap.

The considerable majority of Germans lived in small towns or rural areas, and you simply cannot ignore their religious beliefs. You also cannot ignore the problem that Hitler felt he had to appeal to their religious sensibilities.

We are not misconstruing your argument at all. You want to say that Hitler was an atheist, because his private conversations prove it (an argument frankly for another day). Apparently, you want to prove that bad people in history include atheists.

When we answer that Hitler's public piety indicates his belief that Germany's religious sensibilities had to be pandered to, you answer that Germany was predominantly a secular society. Leaving aside the fact that this isn't true, it also isn't an answer.

[solidsquid]

War's causes, of course, are complex, but it would be difficult to overestimate the disastrous role religion played in World War II. Distrust, fear and hatred of Jews was a lesson Hitler learned early in life. It was taught by his church and reinforced by his culture. It became his obsession, his version of "the Lord's work." That Hitler, that supreme villain of the 20th century, could see himself, and be seen by others, as "providentially" guided, protected and inspired should certainly serve as an ominous clue to the dangers of religious belief. Just as the Vatican umbrella could be maneuvered to shield the massacres of Serbs by Catholics in Yugoslavia, so can religion validate any behavior, any atrocity, any war.

http://www.ffrf.org/fttoday/back/hitler.html

Holocaust (http://www.ffrf.org/fttoday/back/hakeem/)

Photos (http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm)

[ME]

Wow. So wait, you guys are talking about intolerance and stupidity as you're posting in masses against Christians, plotting the downfall of successful Christian forums, and misspelling as well as acting like high school dropouts?

So, why am I not supposed to the hypocrisy in this?

If somebody came onto this forum and started preaching to you (as you people said "Satan bless you" and "no, God isn't real"), said "God Bless You", and then waited to be banned before tiptoeing back to Christianforums and laughing at the idiocy of the people here and how stupid and biased they were, exactly how would you respond?

If somebody basically tried to pass you off as idiots, created a forum called "Raving Christian" and dedicated themselves to wasting hours complaining about the ignorant inbred athiests and their stupidity, how would you feel?

I am not a Christian, but when I look at this place, I'm really glad I'm not an athiest either. You people make me sick.

[Star_Pixels]

Also, just so you know: I'm Wiccan, and I go to Christianforums.com and the only people who have attacked or flamed me have been atheists. Yes, I got into civilized debates with Christians and even other Wiccans, but the flames were all atheists.

[solidsquid]

Wow. So wait, you guys are talking about intolerance and stupidity as you're posting in masses against Christians, plotting the downfall of successful Christian forums, and misspelling as well as acting like high school dropouts?

Who's plotting?

So, why am I not supposed to the hypocrisy in this?

I have yet to show this hypocrisy you speak of.

If somebody came onto this forum and started preaching to you (as you people said "Satan bless you" and "no, God isn't real"), said "God Bless You", and then waited to be banned before tiptoeing back to Christianforums and laughing at the idiocy of the people here and how stupid and biased they were, exactly how would you respond?

I've experienced the scenario you speak of before. I find it childish and without any intention other than selfish ego-stroking...no meaningful dialogue exchanged and a waste of bandwidth...is that an honest enough answer for you?

If somebody basically tried to pass you off as idiots, created a forum called "Raving Christian" and dedicated themselves to wasting hours complaining about the ignorant inbred athiests and their stupidity, how would you feel?

They are free to do as they wish. And there are many sites which do this already.

I am not a Christian, but when I look at this place, I'm really glad I'm not an athiest either. You people make me sick.

I'm sorry you have such a sad view of atheists, don't be so hasty in that generalization.

[Illuminati]

Also, just so you know: I'm Wiccan, and I go to Christianforums.com and the only people who have attacked or flamed me have been atheists. Yes, I got into civilized debates with Christians and even other Wiccans, but the flames were all atheists.

If you can not defend your beliefs, why do you have them? If you want to be criticized by christians, tell them you are homosexual.

[atheist resistance front]

And if you are a part of an atheist family with ex-hippie parents...just try raising some questions about design.

See how "understanding" they are.

[Paradox]

Wow. So wait, you guys

"you guys", what do you mean by "you guys". how dare you take such a bigoted tone

are talking about intolerance

yeah "us guys" are talking about intolerance, hypocrite.

and stupidity as you're posting in masses against Christians

masses, what masses. i guess your mind created this fictional "mass" of people when you grouped "us guys" together, and figured if one or two of us does it, we all do. tssk, tssk.

plotting the downfall of successful Christian forums

oh no, our conspiracy plot has been uncovered

and misspelling as well as acting like high school dropouts?

oh, so now "us guys" cant spell. were you raised a bigot?

So, why am I not supposed to the hypocrisy in this?

take a look in the mirror

If somebody came onto this forum and started preaching to you

if?

(as you people said "Satan bless you" and "no, God isn't real")

as "us people say".

said "God Bless You", and then waited to be banned

banned... look around you, do you see anyone being banned here. you see around here we let the opposing side speak. have you been banned here?

before tiptoeing back to Christianforums and laughing at the idiocy of the people here and how stupid and biased they were, exactly how would you respond?

i dont have a problem with theists if they come here to make a rational argument

If somebody basically tried to pass you off as idiots, created a forum called "Raving Christian" and dedicated themselves to wasting hours complaining about the ignorant inbred athiests and their stupidity, how would you feel?

i would feel happy that i made the right choice in becoming an atheist, as i do right now :)

I am not a Christian, but when I look at this place, I'm really glad I'm not an athiest either. You people make me sick.

again with "you people". i find it amazing that you call us all intolerant, but you are completely void of the realization that you yourself are just as intolerant.

[Goldsteinian]

Keep it up ME...you are doing a pretty good job.

These jokers can't stand it when anybody talks back to them!

[MrCynic38]

Gold, did you even read paradox's post? he tore ME apart.

[ocmpoma]

I'm beginning to think that Goldie doesn't really know what any word means.

[solidsquid]

And if you are a part of an atheist family with ex-hippie parents...just try raising some questions about design.

See how "understanding" they are.

Do you speak from personal experience ARF?

[MrCynic38]

And if you are a part of an atheist family with ex-hippie parents...just try raising some questions about design.

See how "understanding" they are.

Actually, I'm pretty prepared for my kids (if i ever have any) having their own opinions about god and religon. I won't take them to church, but i wont stop them either. I felel that the chrurch brainwashed me at a young age. My parents don't accept or even acknowledge my atheism. I can assure you I won't do the same to my kids.

[Goldsteinian]

Given your attitudes as previously expressed, I "lack belief in your claim" (hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!)

[Anonymous_number1]

This threads hilarious. Keep the trolls dancing please.

[Illuminati]

First and foremost, I am the only one thas says "Satan Bless You", that is my line.

Secondly, ARF I would bet that most people in this board are from christian families, who were sickened by the religious indoctrination that clouds fact from fiction (read: religion).

Gold: Dude, I am starting to think that you are just pressing random buttons on your keyboard, because you aren't making much sense.


Satan Bless You

[MrCynic38]

Given your attitudes as previously expressed, I "lack belief in your claim" (hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!)

What?

[atheist resistance front]

He said he "lacks belief in your claim" hahahahahahaha!

In other words, he does not believe you.

Would you like it stated more bluntly?

[Illuminati]

ARF: I do not believe in christians, or theists, because everyone deep down is an atheist, therefore christianity does not exist in my opinion.

[MrCynic38]

He said he "lacks belief in your claim" hahahahahahaha!

In other words, he does not believe you.

Would you like it stated more bluntly?
He doesn't believe me when I say that I won't brainwash my kids...

Ok

[Paradox]

First and foremost, I am the only one thas says "Satan Bless You", that is my line.

make sure to trademark it.

Gold: Dude, I am starting to think that you are just pressing random buttons on your keyboard, because you aren't making much sense.

mommy and daddy obviously dont monitor there kid when hes playing on the computer. tssk, tssk.

Satan Bless You

Satan Bless You™

[Me]

Wow. So wait, you guys are talking about intolerance and stupidity as you're posting in masses against Christians, plotting the downfall of successful Christian forums, and misspelling as well as acting like high school dropouts?

Who's plotting?

So you're saying that when you go to Christianforums.com and start opening up posts to start religious wars (such as Noah's Ark and all that crap), you're not plotting? Hmm... it would sound logical if a thirty-foot elephant ate a two-foot monkey in my bathtub this morning.0

So, why am I not supposed to the hypocrisy in this?

I have yet to show this hypocrisy you speak of.

LOL. Solid, even if YOU aren't hypocritical, that dude with the Kefka avatar is and so is everyone else that belongs HERE who parades THERE just to get on some peoples nerves.

If somebody came onto this forum and started preaching to you (as you people said "Satan bless you" and "no, God isn't real"), said "God Bless You", and then waited to be banned before tiptoeing back to Christianforums and laughing at the idiocy of the people here and how stupid and biased they were, exactly how would you respond?

I've experienced the scenario you speak of before. I find it childish and without any intention other than selfish ego-stroking...no meaningful dialogue exchanged and a waste of bandwidth...is that an honest enough answer for you?

Yes. And now everybody knows how everyone on Christianforums feels. Thank you for answering my question, Squid.

If somebody basically tried to pass you off as idiots, created a forum called "Raving Christian" and dedicated themselves to wasting hours complaining about the ignorant inbred athiests and their stupidity, how would you feel?

They are free to do as they wish. And there are many sites which do this already.

I notice how quickly you change your stance. :cool:

Why would it make you feel any different if they came HERE and did it then if they skulked ELSEWHERE and did it in the MASSES?

It would seem that the more there is, the more you'd be opposed.

I am not a Christian, but when I look at this place, I'm really glad I'm not an athiest either. You people make me sick.

I'm sorry you have such a sad view of atheists, don't be so hasty in that generalization.

I wasn't hasty in that generalization. In fact, before I found this website, I had a strong respect for the atheists.

You shouldn't be so hasty in your generalizations.

[Me]

Also, just so you know: I'm Wiccan, and I go to Christianforums.com and the only people who have attacked or flamed me have been atheists. Yes, I got into civilized debates with Christians and even other Wiccans, but the flames were all atheists.

If you can not defend your beliefs, why do you have them? If you want to be criticized by christians, tell them you are homosexual.

Well, first off, I can defend my beliefs. I never said I LOST to any of the atheists, now have I?

And secondly, not only do they know I'm homosexual, they also know I perform Witchcraft, live with my girlfriend, and am hoping to adopt a boy only two years younger than me.

Yay!

To top that off, they also realize my stance on abortion, the death sentence, the war in Iraq, and my personal (and low) opinion of President Bush.

And yet, still, it's always the people like you who are out to get me.

[Me]

"you guys", what do you mean by "you guys". how dare you take such a bigoted tone

LOL. Bigoted? "You Guys" is a term generally used when speaking to a large crowd of people in which you can find similar likings with.

But it's nice to know exactly what to expect in the rest of this thread.


yeah "us guys" are talking about intolerance, hypocrite.

How is referring to you as "you guys" being intolerant?

LOL!


masses, what masses. i guess your mind created this fictional "mass" of people when you grouped "us guys" together, and figured if one or two of us does it, we all do. tssk, tssk.

mass ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ms)
n.
A unified body of matter with no specific shape: a mass of clay.
A grouping of individual parts or elements that compose a unified body of unspecified size or quantity: “Take mankind in mass, and for the most part, they seem a mob of unnecessary duplicates” (Herman Melville).
A large but nonspecific amount or number: a mass of bruises.
The principal part; the majority: the mass of the continent.
The physical volume or bulk of a solid body.
Abbr. m Physics. A property of matter equal to the measure of an object's resistance to changes in either the speed or direction of its motion. The mass of an object is not dependent on gravity and therefore is different from but proportional to its weight.
An area of unified light, shade, or color in a painting.
Pharmacology. A thick, pasty mixture containing drugs from which pills are formed.
masses The body of common people or people of low socioeconomic status: “Give me your tired, your poor,/Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free” (Emma Lazarus).


Not only that, but I was referring to everyone in this thread... especially those in the first page, who BRAGGED about doing exactly what I was accusing you of.

Oh wow, guess I was wrong. You guys aren't unified or a group of individuals.

:shocked:

But now I'm wondering why you take offense that I'm mad at people for doing that if you didn't do it. It seems illogical, since you claim to support the freedom of speech down below.


oh no, our conspiracy plot has been uncovered

Tell me, why else, then, would you people would yaying and clapping to trying to make Christians seem like idiots?

Oh wait, I forgot, you guys aren't part of a mass so therefore it's not really a plot but rather a collective of thoughts... which would make it a mass... which would mean I'm bigotted.

Garwsh, your logic is confusing!


oh, so now "us guys" cant spell. were you raised a bigot?

OMG LOL! An American-Indian female lesbian liberal witch was raised a bigot? Wait until I tell the guys.


take a look in the mirror

LOL! This coming from the QUEEN (or is it king, since you deny GUYS, a generic term for both male and female companions, I really cannot tell your gender... although judging by your immature outbursts and ultra-sensitivity that happen to be a one-time-a-month deal, I'd say you were female and on PMS).



if?

Yeah, if. You know, if...

( P ) Pronunciation Key (f)
conj.

In the event that: If I were to go, I would be late.
Granting that: If that is true, what should we do?
On the condition that: She will play the piano only if she is paid.
Although possibly; even though: It is a handsome if useless trinket.
Whether: Ask if he plans to come to the meeting.
Used to introduce an exclamatory clause, indicating a wish: If they had only come earlier!



as "us people say".

As "you people" say. I am not a part of your religion or forum (or agenda), so therefore it's a "you" and not an "us". Us suggests inclusion into the plot, and I am not a part of "us" so therefore it would have been grammatically inaccurate.


banned... look around you, do you see anyone being banned here. you see around here we let the opposing side speak. have you been banned here?

I haven't been around long enough to know, but I know of several people who have been banned.

And if you let the opposing side speak, then how come you have mass posts on how Christians are stupid and their forums are hypocritical?

Furthermore, are you letting me speak now or are you flogging every thing I said with silly little nonsense as seen... here

take a look in the mirror


masses, what masses. i guess your mind created this fictional "mass" of people when you grouped "us guys" together, and figured if one or two of us does it, we all do. tssk, tssk.



i dont have a problem with theists if they come here to make a rational argument

No, you don't. You'll just call them bigots and spend most of the argument saying wonderful little tidbits like "were you raised a bigot?"


i would feel happy that i made the right choice in becoming an atheist, as i do right now :)

Oh wait, here's a hypocritical statement!

So, a bunch of ATHIESTS are doing exactly what the hypothetical CHRISTIANS are doing (except they're coming to Raving Atheist and not Raving Christian), and yet you say you'd be glad to be an Atheist because of that hypothetical show of immaturity?

A double standard, mister man?


again with "you people". i find it amazing that you call us all intolerant, but you are completely void of the realization that you yourself are just as intolerant.

peo·ple ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ppl)
n. pl. people
Humans considered as a group or in indefinite numbers: People were dancing in the street. I met all sorts of people.
A body of persons living in the same country under one national government; a nationality.
pl. peo·ples A body of persons sharing a common religion, culture, language, or inherited condition of life.
Persons with regard to their residence, class, profession, or group: city people.
The mass of ordinary persons; the populace. Used with the: “those who fear and distrust the people, and wish to draw all powers from them into the hands of the higher classes” (Thomas Jefferson).
The citizens of a political unit, such as a nation or state; the electorate. Used with the.
Persons subordinate to or loyal to a ruler, superior, or employer: The queen showed great compassion for her people.
Family, relatives, or ancestors.
Informal. Animals or other beings distinct from humans: Rabbits and squirrels are the furry little people of the woods.



So, all of YOU PEOPLE here in the forums aren't actually a PEOPLE according to Mister Man. And yet, the dictionary says so right there.

:kiss:

[Me]

Keep it up ME...you are doing a pretty good job.

These jokers can't stand it when anybody talks back to them!

I noticed.

[Me]

Gold, did you even read paradox's post? he tore ME apart.

You call THAT tearing somebody apart? Honey, you need help.

[ocmpoma]

Me, people aren't banned from these forums.

[Me]

Me, people aren't banned from these forums.

Well see, now I have your word against other peoples word. Looking at the history of your words, I'm more inclined to believe the others.

[ocmpoma]

I have yet to encounter anyone banned from these forums. However, I will send an email to Chris, the administrator, and see if what you are asserting is correct or not.

[Me]

I have yet to encounter anyone banned from these forums. However, I will send an email to Chris, the administrator, and see if what you are asserting is correct or not.

Oh! Um... is Chris his username or what? I actually have a question regarding these people as well.

[Illuminati]

And yet, still, it's always the people like you who are out to get me.

Hmmm, I am out to get you, am I? Because it is you who came to this atheist forum board, bashing all of us, before getting to know us. But that is fine, because we are all allowed to say what we want. For as long as I have been here, I have never seen anyone banned from the forum, regardless of their stupidity. On the contrary, I have been banned from several christian forum boards, including but not limited to http://www.christianforums.com/, for saying "Satan Bless You". I am a supporter of freedom of speech, therefore I think I am going to take a look at a few of the things you have said.


Wow. So wait, you guys are talking about intolerance and stupidity as you're posting in masses against Christians, plotting the downfall of successful Christian forums, and misspelling as well as acting like high school dropouts?

Mispelling eh?

Especially since the reddist of the red states

Practise what you preach. For future reference, it is spelled "reddest".


Back to your previous quote you are stereotyping all atheists, with whatever preconceived notions you have been taught, or have developed through your own limited experience. Really, how do you want to be treated if you come to an atheist forum board, and say stupid, offencive things such as:

You people make me sick.
Hell, this entire board is a war zone to killing Christianity.
The Raving Atheist and all those burned down churches, raped nuns, and shootings alone are an example of what atheistic intolerance can do.


You obviously have a closed mind about atheism, and are only here for intellectual masturbation. If your belief suits you, then I am glad for that. But please, ease up with your hateful remarks, it only demonstrates your intellectual immaturity.

So far your posts have been unintelligible, without meaning or substance, and generally counter-productive. If you have anything smart to say, please say it, otherwise stop wasting everyones time! If you have questions about atheism in general, or us as atheists, I would be glad to talk with you, but if you just want to stir up shit, then I won't even waste my time talking to you.

[Paradox]

Wow. So wait, you guys are talking about intolerance and stupidity as you're posting in masses against Christians, plotting the downfall of successful Christian forums, and misspelling as well as acting like high school dropouts?

Mispelling eh?

Especially since the reddist of the red states

Practise what you preach. For future reference, it is spelled "reddest".

thatall lern 'er

[whoever]

So illuminate thinks we should "get to know him"...I for one spent a pretty fair amount of time reviewing the posts before I said anything.

I got the picture.

Typical atheist hate site...at least they have the guts to list themselves as the same under their "hate site list".


I'd say this is a place to have a morning bowel movement before moving on to real debate sites like infidels or one of the christian forums.

[ocmpoma]

"I'd say this is a place to have a morning bowel movement before moving on to real debate sites like infidels or one of the christian forums."

I take it, then, whoever, that your above post is a load of shit.

[Me]

Hmmm, I am out to get you, am I?

No, but people like you. Actually, right now, it seems like you are.

Because it is you who came to this atheist forum board, bashing all of us, before getting to know us.

Ooops, sorry if you got that impression. I wasn't bashing any of you but saying, "hey, look, you guys are acting ridiculous over this christianforums.com". I used some harsh words, but I don't believe any of them were actually directed at PEOPLE but the way they were acting.

But that is fine, because we are all allowed to say what we want. For as long as I have been here, I have never seen anyone banned from the forum, regardless of their stupidity. On the contrary, I have been banned from several christian forum boards, including but not limited to http://www.christianforums.com/, for saying "Satan Bless You". I am a supporter of freedom of speech, therefore I think I am going to take a look at a few of the things you have said.

Fine, go ahead. And, I hate to tell you this but they don't ban if you say "Satan Bless You". I've seen people tag the end of their posts with that and live to tell the tale.

However, they do ban you for going into the Christian-respond-only sections and telling somebody asking a Christian a question about their faith, "God doesn't exist" or even bashing Christians.

It also depends on the moderator, because some people have even gotten away with what I said above.

However, the fact is that they don't get mad at you for having an alternative religion. My presence and the presence of others among them and the tolerance they show is proof towards that.

But they do have rules on behaviour.

Mispelling eh?

Yes. I did that on purpose, to show how it was.

Practise what you preach. For future reference, it is spelled "reddest".

As I said, I did that on purpose. That's like my Christian friend. Whenever somebody says "Xtian", she comes up with something like "Boodist, Wicken (or wikken), athiest (or aythist), Molsem (or mulsim), etc..."

Back to your previous quote you are stereotyping all atheists,

All atheists? Do you honestly believe that all atheists go to this single little forum here?

with whatever preconceived notions you have been taught, or have developed through your own limited experience.

LOL. As I said, I respected all atheists before coming here. Though some of you guys are cool, a lot of you write things like "Atheism is morally (or intellectually) superior to theism", which is, I believe, a superiority complex (arrogance) that needs to be dealt with, with haste.

Really, how do you want to be treated if you come to an atheist forum board, and say stupid, offencive things such as:

You people make me sick.
Hell, this entire board is a war zone to killing Christianity.
The Raving Atheist and all those burned down churches, raped nuns, and shootings alone are an example of what atheistic intolerance can do.


If I was being a farce in the name of my religion, building forums for the sake of flaming other religions and then denying that my site was dedicated to the basic intolerance of Christians, I should re-examine myself.

Especially if I'm quoting somebody who isn't Christian or atheist, so can therefore see both sides without favoritism or pejudgice.

(BTW, not meh awoeusome spellingas!)

You obviously have a closed mind about atheism,

So that's why I stand up for religious freedom and tolerance! I must have a closed mind against atheism!

and are only here for intellectual masturbation.

Oh wow, I lernt a neu tirm frum the auseomeness of ur superyoratee.

LOL!

If your belief suits you, then I am glad for that. But please, ease up with your hateful remarks, it only demonstrates your intellectual immaturity.

Does anybody else see the hypocrisy in this statement here?

I was getting mad at you guys for bashing Christians for their beliefs! But, alas, you are now mad at me because I pointed out the immaturity of going to a Christian forum just to start an internet war.

So far your posts have been unintelligible, without meaning or substance, and generally counter-productive.

Uh huh... people always say that when they get ruffled a bit, did'ja notice that?

If you have anything smart to say, please say it, otherwise stop wasting everyones time!

If that is a rule you follow, then I'd be glad to accept it as my own morality and then break it as you do.

If that is a rule you don't follow, then you have no right to push it onto me and I will therefore ignore it.

:kiss:

Then again, since you haven't been able to give a good argument against anything I said, or even a decent one, then I shall take this as another sign of your fading ability to even stand up on your own two feet.

If you have questions about atheism in general, or us as atheists, I would be glad to talk with you, but if you just want to stir up shit, then I won't even waste my time talking to you.

Hmm... now, who was the one who started this thread bragging about going into Christian forums to stir up shit?

[Me too]

So illuminate thinks we should "get to know him"...I for one spent a pretty fair amount of time reviewing the posts before I said anything.

Me too. It's so... sad that he should assume and prejudge before he gets to know us. ;)

[Illuminati]

Fine, go ahead. And, I hate to tell you this but they don't ban if you say "Satan Bless You". I've seen people tag the end of their posts with that and live to tell the tale.

However, they do ban you for going into the Christian-respond-only sections and telling somebody asking a Christian a question about their faith, "God doesn't exist" or even bashing Christians.

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Suuuuuure

Do you honestly believe that all atheists go to this single little forum here?


Not all atheists obviously (duh), however it is quite clear that you came here with your preconceived notions. Which is interesting since you tried to make the argument that "everyone is perfect", which is completely absurd and naive.

As I said, I respected all atheists before coming here.

Hmm, you respected all atheists, don't contradict yourself all at once please.


If I was being a farce

If?

...building forums for the sake of flaming other religions and then denying that my site was dedicated to the basic intolerance of Christians, I should re-examine myself.


If you notice, I have not flamed your religion in the least. As easy as it would be to insult you and your "goddess", I am a tolerant person, and although I disagree with your beliefs, I acknowledge your right to have them. You must understand, this site is not designed for flaming any religion, if you notice, Jon/nutritionguy was a theist who came to this site, and did not suffer any disrespect from any of us "atheists". I disagreed with him on many issues, as I disagree with you on many issues, however he is able to speak in a polite and intelligent manner.

So that's why I stand up for religious freedom and tolerance!

I am sorry, Mr. Holier than thou, I say "Satan Bless You", however that is not intolerant, since satanism is an established religion. You trying to say that you stand up for religious freedom and tolerance is like hitler trying to tell people he is a socialist (maybe not that extreme), but I don't buy your little one liner.

I was getting mad at you guys for bashing Christians for their beliefs! But, alas, you are now mad at me because I pointed out the immaturity of going to a Christian forum just to start an internet war.


I go to christian forums, to express my beliefs in an intelligible and polite manner. I do not stand for hipocracy or bigotry. For your information, I spend most of my time on christian forums, defending homosexuality and gay-marriage, despite my unwavering heterosexuality. Sure I can be a prick, and show people zero respect, but I only do so, if I am shown none.

Uh huh... people always say that when they get ruffled a bit, did'ja notice that?


I notice they say that, when people post stupid bullshit similar to the following:

lernt a neu tirm frum the auseomeness of ur superyoratee.

[MrCynic38]

Me, are you still asserting that people get banned from this forum?

[Me]

Troll. "Satan Bless You"

Read that first part and tell me something. First off, did it say that ALL administrators banned you from their forums? Secondly, does it say they banned you for saying Satan Bless You or did they ban you for being a troll, which is what I said in the first place?

Suuuuuure

Nice comeback. You got me square in the eyes there. Boy, you have so shamed me, I think I'm going to say something twice as immature as that:

Nyah hah!

Not all atheists obviously (duh), however it is quite clear that you came here with your preconceived notions.

Preconceived notions? LOL! You are STILL on about that? Boy, you are one INTERESTING person, you know that?

"You can tell them about how I feel about these so-called preconceived notions. In fact, I choked on my atheist tongue as I laughed my bloody head off."

^ That was actually in a letter he sent to me.

Which is interesting since you tried to make the argument that "everyone is perfect", which is completely absurd and naive.

Oh yes, your spirit is perfect and really there is no flaw of yourself in your own mind (obviously), but according to my morals you're an ass just waiting for a nice place to squat.

Hmm, you respected all atheists, don't contradict yourself all at once please.

Yes, I respected ALL atheists before coming here. Now I only respect those who aren't like you. How is that, pray tell, contradictory?

Oh wait, nevermind. You believe that if anybody deserves respect, it must be you. You and your silly little comments like...

If?

When you have no clue what you are talking about... I don't think ANYBODY has a clue as to what you're getting on, in fact.

If you notice, I have not flamed your religion in the least.

I am a theist. Or did you forget that?

As easy as it would be to insult you and your "goddess", I am a tolerant person

Excuse me while I laugh. Tolerant people don't go to Christian forums and purposefully start wars by going into areas restricted and saying "Satan Bless You", while putting up direct insults to their religion right in their home base.

They also don't agree with people who post topics about how atheism is superiory to theism, and call religion a disease.

Sorry, but the title "Tolerant Person" goes with a little thing called "Tolerance", which you are not.

and although I disagree with your beliefs, I acknowledge your right to have them.

So that's why you're trolling and misquoting, eh? Because I have my rights to my belief.

You must understand, this site is not designed for flaming any religion, if you notice, Jon/nutritionguy was a theist who came to this site, and did not suffer any disrespect from any of us "atheists". I disagreed with him on many issues, as I disagree with you on many issues, however he is able to speak in a polite and intelligent manner.

Yeah, too bad I'm not disciplined, eh Yoda?

Unlike Jon, I lose my patience fast with people who say things like...

I am sorry, Mr. Holier than thou,

When speaking to a FEMALE person who stands up for ALL religions not just her own. Also, to one who doesn't read the bible so finds any comments about "holier than thou" to be a reflection of the speaker's spirit (which would make sense, since according to your morals you are flawless in your logic).

I say "Satan Bless You", however that is not intolerant, since satanism is an established religion.

So if I said, "God bless you" you wouldn't be offended? Hmm... I find that hard to believe, considering anybody who's called upon God you've direct witty little remarks like...

You trying to say that you stand up for religious freedom and tolerance is like hitler trying to tell people he is a socialist (maybe not that extreme), but I don't buy your little one liner.

Which are obviously fake and hold no ground, and are coming from the hypocrites mouth.

For one thing, where have I NOT stood up for Religious freedom and tolerance? I bet you cannot find a single instance.

I go to christian forums, to express my beliefs

So you BELIEVE in being intolerant, an asshole and the power of Satan?

in an intelligible and polite manner.

Satan bless you.

I do not stand for hipocracy or bigotry.

I should really stop right here. This is the perfect ending.

For your information, I spend most of my time on christian forums, defending homosexuality and gay-marriage, despite my unwavering heterosexuality.

God isn't real. Satan bless you.

Sure I can be a prick, and show people zero respect, but I only do so, if I am shown none.

God isn't real. Satan bless you.

Did you notice how I was quoted you during the entire thing?

I notice they say that, when people post stupid bullshit similar to the following:

Oh, now he's mad because I fed him his own medicine. Oh dear me. *fans face* Whatever shall I do to hide from his auseomensess!

[Me]

Me, are you still asserting that people get banned from this forum?

If you read my posts, I wouldn't have to be answering: no.

[MrCynic38]

Well, I don't read everything you post. I'm active on maybe 8 threads at a time. If the post doesn't directly concern me, I don't make it high priority. If i read it in passing, so be it. You don't need to be condescending.

[Me]

Well, I don't read everything you post. I'm active on maybe 8 threads at a time. If the post doesn't directly concern me, I don't make it high priority. If i read it in passing, so be it. You don't need to be condescending.

LOL. Alright. I didn't mean to be condescending, I was just saying that I thought it was an obvious answer.

BTW...

http://ravingatheist.com/forum/profile.php?id=136

What's with the title?

[Sir Sin-O-Lot]

I know not all Christians are evangelists but has anyone ever been to a Christian forum and actually de-converted an evangelists?Beacuse if you have that must've taken all the patience you possess.

[Anonymous_number1]

Well, I don't read everything you post. I'm active on maybe 8 threads at a time. If the post doesn't directly concern me, I don't make it high priority. If i read it in passing, so be it. You don't need to be condescending.

LOL. Alright. I didn't mean to be condescending, I was just saying that I thought it was an obvious answer.

BTW...

http://ravingatheist.com/forum/profile.php?id=136

What's with the title?

Uhm, you guys...people can be banned. Thats what the "Report" button is for. :p

CusterKen was banned b/c he almost crashed the site with his spam. Luckily Chris banned him before that happend. Chris is the only one that can ban. She's cool like that. :lol:

[solidsquid]

So you're saying that when you go to Christianforums.com and start opening up posts to start religious wars (such as Noah's Ark and all that crap), you're not plotting? Hmm... it would sound logical if a thirty-foot elephant ate a two-foot monkey in my bathtub this morning.0

Never been to Christianforums or any other Christian forum and done as you stated...sorry to disappoint you.

LOL. Solid, even if YOU aren't hypocritical, that dude with the Kefka avatar is and so is everyone else that belongs HERE who parades THERE just to get on some peoples nerves.

Those people aren't me or representative of all others.

Yes. And now everybody knows how everyone on Christianforums feels. Thank you for answering my question, Squid.

Again, I've never been there...and you're welcome.

I notice how quickly you change your stance. :cool:

Changed my stance?

Why would it make you feel any different if they came HERE and did it then if they skulked ELSEWHERE and did it in the MASSES?

It would seem that the more there is, the more you'd be opposed.

I don't mind people speaking their mind or views, however, there is a difference to creating their own site and coming to an atheist site to flame away. I feel for an atheist to do the same is no better.

I wasn't hasty in that generalization. In fact, before I found this website, I had a strong respect for the atheists.

You shouldn't be so hasty in your generalizations.

I made no generalizations...I find it sad that you believe that all atheists are some sub-standard people.

[Illuminati]

Ooops, sorry if you got that impression. I wasn't bashing any of you but saying, "hey, look, you guys are acting ridiculous over this christianforums.com". I used some harsh words, but I don't believe any of them were actually directed at PEOPLE but the way they were acting.

Excuse me while I laugh. Tolerant people don't go to Christian forums and purposefully start wars by going into areas restricted and saying "Satan Bless You", while putting up direct insults to their religion right in their home base.

They also don't agree with people who post topics about how atheism is superiory to theism, and call religion a disease.

Sorry, but the title "Tolerant Person" goes with a little thing called "Tolerance", which you are not.

I am not going to argue with you about this, since I can promise you that I was banned for saying "Satan Bless You" in a room that was open to atheists. I said it in response to someone saying "God Bless You" to me.

Nice comeback. You got me square in the eyes there. Boy, you have so shamed me, I think I'm going to say something twice as immature as that:

That is why they call me the "Comeback Kid".

Tolerant people don't go to Christian forums and purposefully start wars by going into areas restricted and saying "Satan Bless You", while putting up direct insults to their religion right in their home base.


Why don't you stop speculating, unless you have some proof, please stop telling me what I was doing in another forum. For the last time, I was not in a restricted area.

So you BELIEVE in being intolerant, an asshole and the power of Satan?

I am not a satanist, however I should be allowed to say "Satan Bless You" nonetheless.

Satan bless you.

Satan Bless you too.


I apologize for assuming you were a guy, I thought you said you were male at some point, but I was obviously mistaken, I encourage you to register. Anyways, I like flame wars, so if you want to continue, that is fine with me, however if you want to talk about your beliefs, or debate with me (and others) then I invite you to do so.

[MrCynic38]

Uhm, you guys...people can be banned. Thats what the "Report" button is for. :p

People can, but people don't. It was just a mega-spammer. You wont get anned for being christian or any other religion for that matter.

Edit: also, the report button can be used for pointing out thinks like double posts.

[MrCynic38]

I know not all Christians are evangelists but has anyone ever been to a Christian forum and actually de-converted an evangelists?Beacuse if you have that must've taken all the patience you possess.

I haven't been to the christian forums, but I have had evangelists debate me at school and such. They don't realize i debate this stuff all the time, and I've heard every argument. So I either crush them, or in a rare case or two, convert them. It took an entire school year to convert an evangelist. I had to chip away at his arguments, change his preconceptions, and show him "the light" as it were. Before anybody gets on my ass, telling me i was being preachy. He initiated all of the arguments. Like the rat that keeps going for the cheese even after the electric shock.

[Sir Sin-O-Lot]

Its amazing how indoctrination will cloud your mind.

[MrCynic38]

Yeah, it was a pain in the ass to do it. So far I've de-converted 17 people. Give or take.

[Sir Sin-O-Lot]

Seventeen less people in the group-think.

[MrCynic38]

yeah, I'm pretty proud of that. That an avreage of 1 and 1/16 per year of my life.

[A Theist]

WTF? There atheists over at the Christian forums all the time.

Who are you kidding?

Other than yourselves?

[MrCynic38]

There atheists over at the Christian forums all the time.

So? what does that have to do with anything?

[Anonymous_number1]

Uhm, you guys...people can be banned. Thats what the "Report" button is for. :p

People can, but people don't. It was just a mega-spammer. You wont get anned for being christian or any other religion for that matter.

Edit: also, the report button can be used for pointing out thinks like double posts.

Yeah, but I'm not sure how often Chris comes by...

[Illuminati]

MrC

That is a some feat.

[MrCynic38]

What the deconverting. Its what i do :-P

[Illuminati]

We should encourage more people from infidels to post here. I was browsing through a white nationalist forum board. So I registered with the name "FreeMandela" and I posted about how white supremacy is stupid, 30 seconds later 50 people all started referencing 2 bit articles supporting white nationalism.

[solidsquid]

WTF? There atheists over at the Christian forums all the time.

Who are you kidding?

Other than yourselves?

Does that mean any of those people are us? No.

[Paradox]

We should encourage more people from infidels to post here. I was browsing through a white nationalist forum board. So I registered with the name "FreeMandela" and I posted about how white supremacy is stupid, 30 seconds later 50 people all started referencing 2 bit articles supporting white nationalism.

care to point the board out... im in the mood for a good laugh.

[Illuminati]

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/


I was banned pretty quickly, but I am warning you that just reading the racist/anti semitic comments there, makes my blood boil.

[Anonymous_number_one]

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/


I was banned pretty quickly, but I am warning you that just reading the racist/anti semitic comments there, makes my blood boil.

Show us the exact thread.

[Illuminati]

I'd rather not, since my posts were edited by the mods, and articles I provided were deleted.

[Anonymous_number1]

Yeah, thats too bad.

[Paradox]

I'd rather not, since my posts were edited by the mods, and articles I provided were deleted.

edited... :lol:

did they completely change what you said or did they just remove the links to articles you reffered to.

[Illuminati]

Partially changed what I wrote, and deleted the links.

[alrightjim]

Last night I signed up at www.christianforums.com and there was a section called "Questions by non-christians". Someone entered a question "Does that mean there is no god" and I simply quoted that and said yes. But apparently, only christians are allowed to answer the questions of non-christians so I was immediately banned, and my ip is now blocked from even entering the site.

My question is, why the fear? I didn't realize that that section was xtian only, but banning someone for that is pretty lame. Reminds me of the borg "Resistance is futile, prepare to be assimilated"

They bellyache about the treatment they receive here, these xtians. But they are far less pleasant on their own sites. Apparently, it upsets them to be told there is no God. Imagine that. That is why I never let my atheism known, on the rare occasions I have been on a xtian board, usually on the BBC boards, I take some aspect of legitimate doctrinal interest and come at it from an irritating angle. Last time I said give me one logical reason why the mark of Cain could not be male pattern baldness? After all, the mark was placed to be clearly visible by God, and it couldn't have been black skin as so many righteous white xtains have argued because it had to survive the Flood through Noah's family if it were to exist today. Noah seems like a good candidate for baldness. A simple, effective way of giving those in the land of Nod a heads up. I think most of the xtians that got pissed off at me were the bald ones. They thought I was just being a wise ass. I was being a wise ass, but it was extra funny because not one of these people could come up with a single argument why it would not be baldness. They just didn't want to BELIEVE it was baldness, and so it wasn't, just like they just want to believe in God, and so he exists.

Jimmy

[Jules001]

CALLING ALL UK ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS AND HUMANISTS! With regard to the 'Jerry Springer, The Opera' incident, is it not time all god ignoring beings responded? Surely it is time that a mass complaint by atheists etc. concerning either a particular edition of Songs of Praise or religious broadcasting in general was organised. I am sure that more than 50,000 complaints could be mustered. If such an event were to occur, it might persuade the superstitiously challenged to consider that there are at least two sides to a coin. After all those of us who watch television and pay a licence fee are being forced to pay for the transmission of religious propaganda.

[Illuminati]

What Opera incident?

[The Anti-Atheist]

I get a kick out of guys like illuminati whining about being banned...atheist forums ROUTINELY ban serious opposition.

Who are you kidding?

Besides yourself, that is.

[nutritionguy]

Anti;

I came here a Christian at the last leg of my search for some answers. Only one guy was even 'rude' that I can recall...and no one kicked me off anything. In fact, I get less response now that I'm an "anti-Jehovah" guy than before.

You speak without experience...at least as this site is concerned.

On another subject: If you want to discuss who is kidding who in a civil fashion, go for it...

[Illuminati]

I get a kick out of guys like illuminati whining about being banned...atheist forums ROUTINELY ban serious opposition.

Who are you kidding?

Besides yourself, that is.
Yo mamma!



Edit: In all seriousness, I invite you to debate with all of us as on every issue as much as you like. And I can guarantee you, unless you start spamming "YOU ARE ALL GOING TO BURN IN HELL, REPENT NOW!!!" no one will ban you.

[Paul123]

I dont know anyone who was banned..... didn't they just decide to leave? :)
People are only banned on this site when they spam.

I don't think there's much serious competition to atheism to be honest. Religion, being a constantly distorted and corrupt serious of contradicting beliefs and moral values is flawed, and atheism, being a lack of any beliefs, is not flawed.

Show me the flaws dude.

[Lurker]

I get a kick out of guys like illuminati whining about being banned...atheist forums ROUTINELY ban serious opposition.

Who are you kidding?

Besides yourself, that is.
Not banned from this site yet and I'm a Christian! It all depends on what you say and how you say it. Pretty obvious stuff.

Paul123: Atheists believe that mankind will eventually figure it all out. Therein lies the belief. If mankind had total and complete knowledge then there would be no need to believe in anything. Belief in god is born from unanswered questions. Atheists believe in man's ability to eventually answer everything worth answering. I for one can't muster up that much belief.
- lurker

[Paul123]

Lurker,
Atheists aren't all the same. I'm getting tired of going through this.
All a person has to say (and mean) to be an atheist is 'There are no gods or deities and i have no prescribed set of beliefs'.
All a person has to do is not believe in all that stuff. GET ME?

I don't think mankind will eventually figure it all out. It may, but i think thats a pretty small slice of the probability pie. I also can't muster up enough faith or belief to think that.

[Lurker]

Lurker,
Atheists aren't all the same. I'm getting tired of going through this.
All a person has to say (and mean) to be an atheist is 'There are no gods or deities and i have no prescribed set of beliefs'.
All a person has to do is not believe in all that stuff. GET ME?

I don't think mankind will eventually figure it all out. It may, but i think thats a pretty small slice of the probability pie. I also can't muster up enough faith or belief to think that.
Ok, fair enough. :)

[Paul123]

Thanks Lurker. I get a little steamed when someone slaps a label on what i believe because i'm an atheist.
Franc and i are atheist. We differ greatly on a lot of topics.
Cool.

[Anonymous_number1]

I get a kick out of guys like illuminati whining about being banned...atheist forums ROUTINELY ban serious opposition.

Who are you kidding?

Besides yourself, that is.
Ok, so this is where we ban you...oh wait, you're just a filthy guest. :p

Seriously, get a life. You dont really contribute anything substantial, so why are you here?

[Emanuel Golstein]

I have not seen any substantial contributions on this site, academically or philosophically.

Other than a place to bullshit, why is IT here?

[alrightjim]

I have not seen any substantial contributions on this site, academically or philosophically.

Other than a place to bullshit, why is IT here?
Yeah, some authority named Emanuel Golstein says this site has no substantial academic or philosophic contributions so it MUST BE TRUE! Wait a minute, who the fuck is Emanuel Golstein? Can't even spell his own name right, it's "Goldstein," Genius.

Other than posting bullshit like the post I am responding to, why are you here, Emanuel? Are you a lonely person, who after masturbating five times a day, has nothing better to do with himself? I only ask, because I care.

Jimmy

[Emanuel Golstein]

The name is Golstein, moron...so show me something substantial other than your latent homosexual masturbatory references.

[solidsquid]

I have not seen any substantial contributions on this site, academically or philosophically.

Other than a place to bullshit, why is IT here?
You must open your eyes when looking at the screen.

[alrightjim]

The name is Golstein, moron...so show me something substantial other than your latent homosexual masturbatory references.
Except, Moron, Golstein means nothing in German, only Goldstein does. Your ancestors came to Europe and took the German surname of Goldstein. You can't be so fucking ignorant you are not aware of this. At some point, the "d" got dropped. Maybe they were trying to pass some place, and given the virulent anti-semiticism of that time, one can hardly blame them. But you can spell it F-U-C-K-H-E-A-D, if you like. It's still Goldstein to me.

My latent homeosexual masturbatory references? That pass for an insult where you come from? Sheesh, Emanuel, trust me, it's lame. Okay, I admit maybe I exaggerated a bit just to be a shit. I'm sure you only masturbate three times a day, not five, and whether you picture in your mind naked men or women, or even a billy goat, is none of my business. I got no hang ups in that regard, whatever floats a guy's boat.

[Illuminati]

I have not seen any substantial contributions on this site, academically or philosophically.

Other than a place to bullshit, why is IT here?
Because not everyone is as ignorant as you.

[Emanuel Golstein]

Thank you for the previous comments that substanitate my point.

Still waiting for something substantial...and JimBob, shove your anti-jewish comments up you goy ass.

[alrightjim]

Thank you for the previous comments that substanitate my point.

Still waiting for something substantial...and JimBob, shove your anti-jewish comments up you goy ass.
What was anti-Jewish in my remarks? Did I call you a kike or a heeb? No. But you just called me goy, and considering you did so while telling me to stick comments up my ass, if any racial invective has been tossed around on this thread, it is by you, Emanuel.

You now have a number of posts on this site and not one of them has any substance philosophically or spiritually. Not sure why you stopped off here except to wise off, something you are not very good at, by the way.

Your assumption I am a white redneck from South Dakota is also way off base, like everything else you've posted on this thread. I am a breed off the reservation. My sister married a Jewish gentleman from Rochester, New York. They have two beautiful children they have raised in the faith. Becuase they are such nice people, I am assuming your unfortunate personality is an individual failing, and not something indicative of Jewish people in general.

Jimmy

[MrCynic38]

Thank you for the previous comments that substanitate my point.
Why dont you look on a thread where people aren't just responding to your ignorant crap?

[solidsquid]

Thank you for the previous comments that substanitate my point.

Still waiting for something substantial...and JimBob, shove your anti-jewish comments up you goy ass.
You must not have taken an even cursory examination through the threads.

[Emanuel Golstein]

Hitler was a cocksucker!

[Tenspace]

Hitler was a cocksucker!
Jimmy, you know that when you invoke Hitler's name in a thread, it's a sure sign of your intent to kill the thread.

Right, Jimmy B? BTW, how's the weather in KC?

Tenspace

[alrightjim]

Hitler was a cocksucker!
Hi Golstein. Hitler was a murderous tyrant dictator. He was not a cocksucker. My wife is a cocksucker, as is every woman I have known intimately. I assume my mother and grandmother were cocksuckers, too, as most sexually well adjusted women are. There are many men who are cocksuckers, this one can't deny, and if it works for them, fine, but to call Hitler a cocksucker is to insult decent upstanding cocksuckers everywhere.

Jimmy

[alrightjim]

Hitler was a cocksucker!
Jimmy, you know that when you invoke Hitler's name in a thread, it's a sure sign of your intent to kill the thread.

Right, Jimmy B? BTW, how's the weather in KC?

Tenspace
Are you telling us that Golstein is really a guy named Jimmy B. from KC?

Jimmy

[Emanuel Golstein]

Hard to say, since its not my work station...they are a bunch of liberal pricks here, screw 'em.

Hahahahahaha!

Hitler was a fudge packer too, and an ATHEIST

[A Theist]

That's Jimmy B alright; why don't you e-mail the jerk and tell him what a loser he is.

[MrCynic38]

Hitler was a fudge packer too, and an ATHEIST
We've had this argument. If you want to continue to post stupid assertations backed up by no evidence and add nothing to the conversation, you'll soon be banned.

[Tenspace]

Hard to say, since its not my work station...they are a bunch of liberal pricks here, screw 'em.

Hahahahahaha!

Hitler was a fudge packer too, and an ATHEIST
Jimmy Blair of KC has quite a trail of antagonistic postings at various sites:

dear punks: when the atheists get control, would it be best to set up gulags for the slobs who will not give up their religious beliefs or would the Red Chinese brainwashing method be best?
I think all atheists could get inspiration from Trotsky's autobiography in which he described the feeling of liberation and courage to act that he received from his atheism; without it he would not have had the will to lead the Red Army to victory over the stupid masses who would not give up their beliefs.
How about planning a Trotsky day? Its not just for commies you know!
Sincerely, Jimmy the Crusader.
jimmy blair
dcspeechpath@msn.com
Location: Kansas City

There have already been, in the twentieth century, several political parties that were officially atheist.
It did not work then, it will not work now, and to think it will is irrational and is a form of insanity.
There's more, for anyone who cares to dig. :)

Ohh.. "A Theist" is probably Jimmy too.

Tenspace

[solidsquid]

Hitler was a cocksucker!
I don't think Hitler was gay, maybe bi who knows. What does he have to do with anything?

BTW, when you plan on contributing anything other than your insults and childish ramblings?

[solidsquid]

Hitler was a fudge packer too, and an ATHEIST
Again, I don't think there's any evidence to back up Hitler being gay, he may have had a job at a fudge plant in his youth but I doubt it. And he wasn't an atheist, he was Catholic.

[A Theist]

You arrogant morons, Jimmy B is a liberal free thinking fruit...I don't care if you fuck with his mind

Send him an e-mail telling him what a fundie he is.

I want to see him squirm.

[Tenspace]

You arrogant morons, Jimmy B is a liberal free thinking fruit...I don't care if you fuck with his mind

Send him an e-mail telling him what a fundie he is.

I want to see him squirm.
Why don't you just show him.... after all, you share the same email address.

Ten

[alrightjim]

You arrogant morons, Jimmy B is a liberal free thinking fruit...I don't care if you fuck with his mind

Send him an e-mail telling him what a fundie he is.

I want to see him squirm.
First off, "a liberal free thinking fruit" can't be a "fundie." Fundies are moral conservatives. Just the opposite. If you can't handle basic political definitions, I am not sure where any conversation can go with you, except nowhere.

Secondly, immediately calling us "arrogant morons" on so little provocation is a pretty fair indication you are some sort of unsavory brand of board manipulator, and frankly, it gives me the creeps to post to you. Odds are very good you are role playing, that you are both Golstein and A Theist.

No point in asking you to leave. This is what you are all about, how you get your kicks, it's like asking a fly not to eat shit and pester people.

Since you are a theist, apparently, some scripture---"Like the dog returning to its own vomit, so the fool returns to his folly." I'm sure we will keep seeing you around.

[alrightjim]

But not the same work station...go ahead, tell the sap what a fundie he is?

Hahahahahahahahaha....

And then watch him report it to the service providers when he found out you have been posting the e-mail on the internet in violation of his privacy.

Hahahahahaha...

I'll watch you both squirm.

Go ahead.

Do it.

Pussy.
You are so fuckin' lame.

[Tenspace]

But not the s