We Will Pray

[John316]

To let you all know, we (my ministrie and I) will continually pray for you all for a spiritual brake through in your lives. Your souls are too precious to go to waste. If there might be any special prayer needs among you, please feel free to post it on here or email me directly belikechrist@sbcglobal.net We would love to pray for any of your needs whether in your personal life, family, friends, work, spiritual/mental needs, etc..etc.. Remember, whether you may accept him or not, God is continually proving himself in lives of those individuals who do believe and accept him as their savior and obey his commends. King Jesus Almighty was, is, and forever will be The God.

"I love those who love me. Those who seek me diligently will find me. With me are riches, honor, enduring wealth, and prosperity. My fruit is better than gold, yes, than fine gold; my yield than choice silver. I walk in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of justice; That I may give wealth to those who love me. I fill their treasuries." Proverbs 8:17-21

"We are not saying that we can do this work ourselves. It is God who makes us able to do all that we do." 2 Corinthians 3:5

"God did not send his Son into the world to judge the world guilty, but to save the world through him." John 3:17

"And you will know that God's power is very great for us who believe. That power is the same as the great strength God used to raise Christ from the dead and put him at his right side in the heavenly world." Ephesians 1:19-20

"In that day you will not ask me for anything. I tell you the truth, my Father will give you anything you ask for in my name. Until now you have not asked for anything in my name. Ask and you will receive, so that your joy will be the fullest possible joy." John 16:23-24

"The Lord is not slow in doing what he promised-the way some people understand slowness. But God is being patient with you. He does not want anyone to be lost, but he wants all people to change their hearts and lives." 2 Peter 3:9

'May one day you all see past the box; the light, while still on earth, in the flesh.' - belikechrist@sbcglobal.net

[BaalDemon]

Wow another christian praying for me, how bout you start out by praying that priests dont molest anymore children or that groups like the KKK and Arian nation stop using such a literal use of the bible. There are a lot more christians you should be praying for before you try to pray for us non-religious folk.

[Cynical]

That's thoughtful of you but...

No thanks, I'm much happier as a atheist than I ever was as a Christian...

[Tenspace]

To let you all know, we (my ministrie and I) will continually pray for you all for a spiritual brake through in your lives. Your souls are too precious to go to waste.
I appreciate your sincerety. And, you understand that I don't believe in prayer, or spirits or souls.

Let me talk outside the box for a moment. No science. ;)

John, if you truly would like to help me, or other non-believers on this forum, I ask that you take an action other than prayer, since that is meaningless to us. If you would like to donate to one of our charities, or volunteer time helping a non-christian humanitarian organization, it would mean a lot to me (and others, I'm sure).

However, I am a bit concerned about your statement, "Your souls are too precious to go to waste." That's a bit scary... the soul, the core of a human's individuality, the sole posession no one else can claim... why is my soul, or anyone else's but your own for that matter, important to you? Got somethin' cookin'? Sorry, if I do have a soul, it's mine. You can't have it. :D

Tenspace

[Sir Sin-O-Lot]

Oh praise Jesus! I found him, I found him, I found the motherfucker! Praaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaise Jesus! AHAH!ARGH!!! AHH!!! Praise him!

[solidsquid]

To let you all know, we (my ministrie and I) will continually pray for you all for a spiritual brake through in your lives.
Do what ya gotta do.

[Paradox]

To let you all know, we (my ministrie and I)
ministrie?

will continually pray for you all for a spiritual brake through in your lives
Matthew 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

tssk, tssk

another morally superior xtain who doesnt read the bible. no open reward for you SINNER.

Your souls are too precious to go to waste
yes, you need them, as they are the fuel for gods fascist empire in the sky.

If there might be any special prayer needs among you, please feel free to post it on here or email me directly belikechrist@sbcglobal.net We would love to pray for any of your needs whether in your personal life, family, friends, work, spiritual/mental needs, etc..etc..
you must really be pissing god off with all of these open prayers. i bet your REALLY gonna get it in the afterlife. burn in hell SINNER...

Remember, whether you may accept him or not, God is continually proving himself in lives of those individuals who do believe and accept him as their savior and obey his commends. King Jesus Almighty was, is, and forever will be The God.

"I love those who love me. Those who seek me diligently will find me. With me are riches, honor, enduring wealth, and prosperity. My fruit is better than gold, yes, than fine gold; my yield than choice silver. I walk in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of justice; That I may give wealth to those who love me. I fill their treasuries." Proverbs 8:17-21

"We are not saying that we can do this work ourselves. It is God who makes us able to do all that we do." 2 Corinthians 3:5

"God did not send his Son into the world to judge the world guilty, but to save the world through him." John 3:17

"And you will know that God's power is very great for us who believe. That power is the same as the great strength God used to raise Christ from the dead and put him at his right side in the heavenly world." Ephesians 1:19-20

"In that day you will not ask me for anything. I tell you the truth, my Father will give you anything you ask for in my name. Until now you have not asked for anything in my name. Ask and you will receive, so that your joy will be the fullest possible joy." John 16:23-24

"The Lord is not slow in doing what he promised-the way some people understand slowness. But God is being patient with you. He does not want anyone to be lost, but he wants all people to change their hearts and lives." 2 Peter 3:9
those are some real nice passages john, did your preacher pick 'em out for ya.

'May one day you all see past the box; the light, while still on earth, in the flesh.' - belikechrist@sbcglobal.net
you might not love him, but satan still loves you

[soul for sale]

I thought John was the preacher? It's his "ministrie"

I appreciate the effort, but I've already had people praying for my soul, and it hasn't worked yet.

However, I am willing to sell it to the highest bidder.....

If you'd like to buy it and take it to heaven with you, I'll start the bidding at $10, 000

[Lucretius]

Prayer is a silly thing.

People think it works because people only tell them about it when things go right.

[Qwertz]

belikechrist@sbcglobal.net
Ew. Now I have to change my email address. And my DSL provider. Blech.

However, I am willing to sell [my soul] to the highest bidder.....
I recall an episode of The Simpsons.

-Q

[Little Earth Stamper]

Prayer is a silly thing.

People think it works because people only tell them about it when things go right.
It's actually more complicated then that, at least in this Christian society (I don't know how the following would apply to, say Hindus).

One of the central beliefs of the hardcore Christians who really champion the belief in prayer is that we should always trust that God knows what's best for us; If we pray for a new car, and we win a new car in a contest, that shows that prayer works and god is rewarding us for our faith. However, if we do not win a car, that's because god decided we didn't need a new car. But he did answer us in some way; Maybe he helped us win the cakewalk, or maybe we took a walk down our street and realised that everything is so pretty we don't need a car; we can just walk. In that case, the prayer still worked, because god answered us, albiet not in the way we would expect.

Thus, prayer always works because anything can be defined as a successul result of prayer. If you look around a bit, you'll see that this is not a hidden philosophy or something that is followed unconciously; Many Christians who write about the power of prayer will explicitly say that you may have to redefine your definition of sucess in order to understand the answers to your prayers.

[ocmpoma]

It's been asked, but I want to ask it again:
"Your souls are too precious to go to waste."
Why are souls precious? How are they wasted?

soul for sale - you should put your soul up on ebay.

[Tenspace]

soul for sale - you should put your soul up on ebay.
No human body parts allowed.

Maybe I'll market mine in a can - you know, like that canned Florida Sunshine. I bet I can get, oh, a hundred cans or so out of one soul. That should be worth a couple of grand. ;D

Ten

[Hellisahalfpipe]

for crying out loud man go pray for your 'ministrie' or someone who actually gives a damn!!

[Philboid Studge]

Bart Sells His Soul


Bart: Well if your soul's real, where is it?

Milhouse: It's kinda in here ... and when you sneeze, that's your soul trying to escape. Saying 'god bless you' crams it back in. And when you die, it squirms out and flies away!

Bart: What if you die in a submarine at the bottom of the ocean?

Milhouse: Oh, it can swim, it's even got wheels, incase you die in the desert and have to drive to the cemetary.

[Philboid Studge]

... a spiritual brake through in your lives
I think I need some spiritual brake fluid. And perhaps a lube job.

[Rhinoqulous]

"You're going to prey for me? Oh, wow, thanks. That's great, really. You stay here, and prey for me, and I'm going to go over here and do some blow and fuck this girl. But if you've got everything covered for me, hey, that's great." David Cross (not exact quote, from memory)

Rhinoq

[bobfritzelpuff]

This has been said: if you really would like to help us, donate to our charities or help our orginizations. Praying does little for us. If this was a stab at us, to try to irk us, then you should save all the prairs you can get for yourself.

By the way, what makes us athiests any more in need of prayers? I personally don't molest any little boys, I am a good citizen, I do community work, I care about society. Why do I need blessings? Is your god so pathetic that he would ignore good will and kindness if the people doing good and kind things do not worship him? Does he condem good citizens who don't praise his name?

Even if I had proof that your god existed, I wouldn't worship him.

[Lurker]

Even if I had proof that your god existed, I wouldn't worship him.
And there lies one of the cornerstones of christianity - god doesn't force you to spend eternity with him if you don't like him. Seems like a nice/reasonable god who values the choices you make.

[Lurker]

Yeah, god is very reasonable, if you choose not to spend eternity with him he's fine with it, as long as you don't mind spending it burning in hell. Clearly god values the choices you make.
That's what hell is - separation from god - so yes it makes sense.

[ghoulslime]

Yeah, god is very reasonable, if you choose not to spend eternity with him he's fine with it, as long as you don't mind spending it burning in hell. Clearly god values the choices you make.
That's what hell is - separation from god - so yes it makes sense.
~ Hell is the absence of reason. Case in point: The Old Testament God

[Lurker]

So giving you more time to get your act together is a bad thing? Instead of smiting you on the spot he gives you time to think about it. Yeah, that's real unfair. :rolleyes:

[Tenspace]

Teabag, are you saying that the OT is black and white, but Jesus' teachings in the new testament are more concealed?

Tenspace

[HeWhoAsks]

Yeah, god is very reasonable, if you choose not to spend eternity with him he's fine with it, as long as you don't mind spending it burning in hell. Clearly god values the choices you make.
That's what hell is - separation from god - so yes it makes sense.
But there's another very important aspect of hell: the torturous, horribly unpleasant part. You may say that that flows automatically from separation from god. But it didn't have to be that way. God could have just as easily let us choose separation but without the torture. If you don't buy that, then why couldn't god give us a true, real taste of hell, one second of its agony, and then let us decide? Again, it makes no sense that I have to make a decision during this lifetime without any proof that is anywhere near the quality of proof as that brief taste of hell that god could provide us after death but doesn't because. . . . because . . . . he's a trickster?

[ghoulslime]

So giving you more time to get your act together is a bad thing? Instead of smiting you on the spot he gives you time to think about it. Yeah, that's real unfair. :rolleyes:
I wonder what made him change his mind all of a sudden - from smiting to forgiving. He seems like a capricious bastard to me. It is almost as if the god of any given time in history somehow reflects the popular thought of the day. Hmmm...it's almost as if...no it couldn't be.....maybe people were just making these gods up.

[Lucretius]

should I email the guy as a joke?

[Tenspace]

I'm not really saying that. The OT, it seems, doesn't even try to pretend to be anything other than a collection of stories, and if you fuck with god then you pay for it with a smiting or something equally unpleasant, while the NT is more difficult to pin down. I don't think it's right to say that Jesus' teachings are concealed, more distorted. The contradictions in the OT are so blatant and numerous that it is impossible to claim that the OT is the literal word of god without allowing for a god that doesn't require self-consistancy. In the NT you have to labour it a bit more to reach the same conclusion (although logically you will reach that conclusion).
Thanks.. I started with "obscure" and thesaurus.com. Convoluted was another choice. :) Vague fits as well.

Ten

[ManBitesGod]

Here's a point..

Since god is supposed to be omni(yada), everytime you need to pray ie: go down on knees, clasp hands, bow head, speak in reverent voice etc. god already knew what it was that you were going to ask. So the whole prayer ritual is a complete waste of time- regardless of if you believe the nonsence or not.

[z3n]

Yeah I used that argument one time with a co-worker that was annoying me about the whole thing and he said, “Well prayer is more like a conversation then a request”.

Yeah, you know they have a term for people that have conversations with someone that they can’t see. It’s called schizophrenia. He just glared at me after that….So I punched him.

Okay not really.

[ghoulslime]

Let Us Prey

This fine hour,
Let us devour.
Let us eat,
As we are eaten.
Let us beat,
As we are beaten.
Let us thank
The living food bank.
This wholly new day,
Let us prey.

~ Daniel F Mitchell

[John316]

We will continue to pray and will not stop, because you are precious to our God. His will is not for us to perish but for us to live. Although God will never take away our free will to choose and force us to do anything, he still is willing to forgive and bless those who accept Him, His Son Jesus Christ as their personal savior. Please remember your tomorrow is not guaranteed to you, nor to any of us therefore be careful which road of life you choose. Your flesh may become worn and go back to being a soil, but your soul is forever. The very thing that makes you function everyday is living in you and it’s too precious to go to waste in eternal Hell. However it’s for you to decide if it means anything to you? Are you that quick to settle for the crump’s when you have the chance to enjoy the whole 'cake'? Do not be deceived by the world, which is the playground of Satan, he will play you for a fool and make you think that you are the wisest and the strongest, but in 'reality' you are running his show. Don't forget that God has given you your conscious, your inner self, which makes you regret the things that you did in the past, because it wasn't right. You know in yourself that lying is wrong, that stealing is wrong many times not because our parents have though us, but because we already know! Therefore if you want to live life and live life more abundantly you first must acknowledge your wrong dues and turn from it and learn from your mistakes. In other words - repent. That’s what makes God pleased, to see that we learned from our mistakes and are striving to be more cautious from there on. That’s where The Bible comes in, it helps you guides you and teaches you how to become a better person. First for you which then influences our peers around us for the good. This is real, no joke please don’t let the chance slip out of your hands. The Bible says stand firm before the enemy and he will fee! Don't fear Satan but rebuke him, fear God and respect him. (Fearing God will keep us from sinning – like fearing your parent and not doing anything wrong because their around).

[Tier]

Now, how would you prove, (other than your bible saying so) that I have a soul? ...AND that it lives forever? Because, I can't find mine, I mean, i've looked everywhere, i've even shaved a few things in hope of finding it... I guess my soul is a sneaky one. ;)

[Choobus]

Yo, John316,

can't you smell what Satan is cooking? He's far more amusing than Jesus (who, you may be surprised to learn was both black and gay. Scientologists at the university of big black assfuck have proven this beyong all doubt).

[John316]

Yo, John316,

can't you smell what Satan is cooking? He's far more amusing than Jesus (who, you may be surprised to learn was both black and gay. Scientologists at the university of big black assfuck have proven this beyong all doubt).
his cooking your soul. can 'you' smell it?

[Choobus]

Good, it's still better than spending eternity in heaven sucking JEsus' big black cock with you and all the other tards

[HeWhoAsks]

We will continue to pray and will not stop. . . His Son Jesus Christ . . . Do not be deceived by the world. . . In other words - repent. . . The Bible says . . . .
Yikes, all of what you wrote is just as good as made up. I can spout any cockamamie [I checked the spelling, but it looks funny, don' it?] idea I want, and if I don't use paragraphing nor logic nor evidence, and I bring a fervid tone to my writing, like you did, it would look exactly like what you wrote.

But it would be false.

[Tenspace]

Oh boy, John316 is back! I figured he was long gone, since he refused to participate in any kind of dialog before. Let's see what he has to say now.

We will continue to pray and will not stop, because you are precious to our God.
Go ahead and pray. Too bad you waste your time instead of donating it to help the world be a better place, as suggested earlier.

His will is not for us to perish but for us to live.
Then why do we die? You'd think He would have done better, considering that 99.99 percent of the human race is dead.

Although God will never take away our free will to choose and force us to do anything, he still is willing to forgive and bless those who accept Him, His Son Jesus Christ as their personal savior.
Robot talk - spew what you're taught. You know, I'm considered one of the more tolerant contributors to this board. I always try to open a reasonable dialog with someone. But it appears that you're not interested in listening to others. Too bad your choice is to be closed-minded and to hate others.

Please remember your tomorrow is not guaranteed to you, nor to any of us therefore be careful which road of life you choose. Your flesh may become worn and go back to being a soil, but your soul is forever.
Why are you so interested in our souls? This was asked before, and you never responded.

The very thing that makes you function everyday is living in you and it’s too precious to go to waste in eternal Hell. However it’s for you to decide if it means anything to you? Are you that quick to settle for the crump’s when you have the chance to enjoy the whole 'cake'?
What the hell are you talking about? There's a thing living in me? Like in Dreamcatcher by Stephen King? My soul is a shit weasel! :D

Do not be deceived by the world, which is the playground of Satan, he will play you for a fool and make you think that you are the wisest and the strongest, but in 'reality' you are running his show.
Answer me this - what if Satan is playing you and not me. You are the one accusing others of being unworthy, you are the one trying to take our souls. I think the whole Jesus thing was made up by Satan to fool billions, and it's working.

Then again, i don't believe in God, therefore I don't believe in Satan either. Or heaven, or hell. I'd rather live my life peaceably and charitably, getting along with my fellow humans, instead of trying to impose my literal belief in a bunch of old fairy tales on others.

Don't forget that God has given you your conscious, your inner self, which makes you regret the things that you did in the past, because it wasn't right. You know in yourself that lying is wrong, that stealing is wrong many times not because our parents have though us, but because we already know!
Altruism and kin relationships form part of the foundation of our morals, which have always been relative to the mores of the current society. Owning slaves is wrong too, but it's okay in the bible.

Therefore if you want to live life and live life more abundantly you first must acknowledge your wrong dues and turn from it and learn from your mistakes. In other words - repent. That’s what makes God pleased, to see that we learned from our mistakes and are striving to be more cautious from there on. That’s where The Bible comes in, it helps you guides you and teaches you how to become a better person. First for you which then influences our peers around us for the good. This is real, no joke please don’t let the chance slip out of your hands. The Bible says stand firm before the enemy and he will fee! Don't fear Satan but rebuke him, fear God and respect him. (Fearing God will keep us from sinning – like fearing your parent and not doing anything wrong because their around).
Fearing god will make us do stupid, irrational things. Respect for mankind (and yourself, something you apparently don't have since you need such a strong crutch) will keep me and many others from being mean and hurtful.

John, please contribute an original thought. Us atheists have heard your little speech over and over, and it's pretty boring. I'm having a hard time coming up with something original to rebut it with. :)

Ten

[Tenspace]

Yo, John316,

can't you smell what Satan is cooking? He's far more amusing than Jesus (who, you may be surprised to learn was both black and gay. Scientologists at the university of big black assfuck have proven this beyong all doubt).
his cooking your soul. can 'you' smell it?
You are so mislead. Blame your parents first.

Ten

[ghoulslime]

Now, how would you prove, (other than your bible saying so) that I have a soul? ...AND that it lives forever? Because, I can't find mine, I mean, i've looked everywhere, i've even shaved a few things in hope of finding it... I guess my soul is a sneaky one. ;)
My girlfriend has a soul! No...sorry about that...I guess that is a hole. Anyway, it's lot's of fun!

[ghoulslime]

Yo, John316,

can't you smell what Satan is cooking? He's far more amusing than Jesus (who, you may be surprised to learn was both black and gay. Scientologists at the university of big black assfuck have proven this beyong all doubt).
his cooking your soul. can 'you' smell it?
Cooking his soul? Damn, that's some pretty sadistic behavior from your loving god. You'd think the big guy would have more things to do with his time - like making up more silly rules for us to break.

It never ceases to amaze me that this sort of Dark Ages mentality can still be found in so many modern minds. Come on, dudes! Let's throw off these chains of superstition! We don't have to burn witches anymore. Let's use our minds and see if we can think ourselves into a better world.

[Paradox]

We will continue to pray and will not stop
havent you been reading my damn posts. i made it quiet clear that your god doesnt want you to be public about your praying habits. you must really be pissing jesus off.


because you are precious to our God
so precious to god that i will be tormented for eternity. i guess god is into bdsm, which explains why jesus was nailed to a fucking cross

His will is not for us to perish but for us to live
want to know a fun fact. the cross is the roman symbol of death. i find it strange that christians ware such morbid symbol around there neck.

Although God will never take away our free will to choose and force us to do anything
because threatening us into a lake of fire if we dont obey is not considered forcing in your book.

he still is willing to forgive and bless those who accept Him, His Son Jesus Christ as their personal savior. Please remember your tomorrow is not guaranteed to you, nor to any of us therefore be careful which road of life you choose. Your flesh may become worn and go back to being a soil, but your soul is forever. The very thing that makes you function everyday is living in you and it’s too precious to go to waste in eternal Hell. However it’s for you to decide if it means anything to you? Are you that quick to settle for the crump’s when you have the chance to enjoy the whole 'cake'? Do not be deceived by the world, which is the playground of Satan
so, thats why this world is so great... its satan. thankyou satan

he will play you for a fool and make you think that you are the wisest and the strongest, but in 'reality' you are running his show.
wow... satan is so smart for being able to play such a trick on us, without us even noticing. isnt satan brilliant.

Don't forget that God has given you your conscious, your inner self, which makes you regret the things that you did in the past
yeah, god is always ruining our fun.

because it wasn't right. You know in yourself that lying is wrong, that stealing is wrong many times not because our parents have though us, but because we already know! Therefore if you want to live life and live life more abundantly you first must acknowledge your wrong dues and turn from it and learn from your mistakes. In other words - repent. That’s what makes God pleased, to see that we learned from our mistakes and are striving to be more cautious from there on. That’s where The Bible comes in, it helps you guides you and teaches you how to become a better person
yeah, the bible taught me i should kill faggots and stone disobediant kids to death. its my #1 guide to life.

First for you which then influences our peers around us for the good. This is real, no joke please don’t let the chance slip out of your hands. The Bible says stand firm before the enemy and he will fee! Don't fear Satan but rebuke him, fear God and respect him. (Fearing God will keep us from sinning – like fearing your parent and not doing anything wrong because their around).
maybe i'd fear my parents if they had beat me more often. i guess thats the source of my atheism. if only my parents wouldve abused me, then i wouldve turned out to be a good christian.

[Fact>Faith]

Do you guys really take the time out of your days to pray for anybody who doesn't share the same imaginary friends as you do, or are you just lying to us when you say that you do?

[z3n]

Oh I would wager that they actually do talk to themselves….I mean ‘pray’ for us. But we're probably grouped in when they ‘pray’ for all of the other evil people of the world that aren’t Christians exactly like them.

[DMofD&D]

Johnny baby, since you seem so close to god, perhaps you can tell me this? Since god is omnipotent (infinite power), then he can obviously destroy satan with no more than a wiggle of his nose. you also say you god is susposed to be all good, right? he can only do good things? well, smiting satan is a good thing and its possible due to gods omnipotence, so why doesn't he do it? He:

1. Can smite satan and wants to, in which case there would be no satan now.:/
2. Can't smite satan but wants to, contradicting his omnipotence.:|
3. Can smite satan but doesn't want, contradicting his being good.:o
4. Can't smite satan and doesn't want to, contradicting both his omnipotence and his being good.:mad:

Answer me this, Johnny baby. As a bonus, you can tell us a scientific experiment we can do to prove gods existence?

[z3n]

1. Can smite satan and wants to, in which case there would be no satan now.:/
2. Can't smite satan but wants to, contradicting his omnipotence.:|
3. Can smite satan but doesn't want, contradicting his being good.:o
4. Can't smite satan and doesn't want to, contradicting both his omnipotence and his being good.:mad:
Hey it’s a GDS (http://ravingatheist.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=13998#p13998) of Epicurus’ Riddle (http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/epicframe.htm) :D:

Just giving you a hard time. :) It is an interesting point that you bring up of course.

[jude]

Johnny baby, since you seem so close to god, perhaps you can tell me this? Since god is omnipotent (infinite power), then he can obviously destroy satan with no more than a wiggle of his nose. you also say you god is susposed to be all good, right? he can only do good things? well, smiting satan is a good thing and its possible due to gods omnipotence, so why doesn't he do it? He:

1. Can smite satan and wants to, in which case there would be no satan now.:/
2. Can't smite satan but wants to, contradicting his omnipotence.:|
3. Can smite satan but doesn't want, contradicting his being good.:o
4. Can't smite satan and doesn't want to, contradicting both his omnipotence and his being good.:mad:

Answer me this, Johnny baby. As a bonus, you can tell us a scientific experiment we can do to prove gods existence?
well yeah its kinda obvious which one is the right answer... number 1 for $600 alec... God can "smite satan" and He is going to send satan to burn in hell when He plans to (another sign of His omnipotence).

As for you're experiment, you could always just die and see for yourself, but if i were you, i would accept Jesus. So if im right, then you get to live in paradise, and if im wrong, then you just are dead. or whatever. but on the other hand, if you die and dont accept Him and im right, then you are are kinda screwed, while if i am wrong, then you just are dead, like the first time... well my way has a 50-50 chance and yours has no chance, from a logical point of view of course... but ya know, you can just try it if theres nothing on tv to watch...

[truthmonger]

Here's a joke for you Jude:

You do the big experiment, you die, you go to the reception desk to get into heaven, and the lady behind the desk says to you, "Where's your snake? Where's your voodoo doll?" You say, "But... I thought..." Trap door opens, down you go.

The argument you are using is called Pascal's wager, and it is no argument at all when confronted by the simple question: How do you know you're believing in the correct religion? How do you know? The bible tells you? All the major religions have a book saying they're right and everybody else is wrong, so how do you really know?

Do you have the courage to think for yourself and consider the possibility that what you think you know might be wrong?

[Rhinoqulous]

As for you're experiment, you could always just die and see for yourself, but if i were you, i would accept Jesus. So if im right, then you get to live in paradise, and if im wrong, then you just are dead. or whatever. but on the other hand, if you die and dont accept Him and im right, then you are are kinda screwed, while if i am wrong, then you just are dead, like the first time... well my way has a 50-50 chance and yours has no chance, from a logical point of view of course... but ya know, you can just try it if theres nothing on tv to watch...
The whole Wager has been discussed to death in other posts, and I doubt any atheists here are going to be convinced by such a weak argument. I find it hilarious that you are so offended by non-xtians that you recommend that we kill ourselves to find out if we're right. I'd recommend you take your own advice, but I'm not that big of an asshole (though don't get me wrong, I AM an asshole).

As for the 50-50 chance you think you have, you're leaving out other religions. If you only take into consideration the big three, Judaism, Islam, and Christianity, your chances have gone down to 1-3 in choosing the right religion. If you take into consideration other religions, such as Zoroastrianism, Jainism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Scientology, your odds are even less. And that's not even taking into consideration all the different flavors of Christianity, such as Mormonism, Seventh-Day Adventists, Catholicism, etc. Once you take into account all the different "True Religions" there are in the world, your odds of going on to meet the Sky Daddy after death probably aren't better than 100-1, most likely much less (and that's assuming that ANY religion is correct, the atheist maintains they're all a bunch of hogwash). How confident are you feeling now that your odds have gone to shit?

Rhinoq

[leguru]

The Bible says stand firm before the enemy and he will fee!
How much is the "fee" and will God pay it or the enemy? Oh, maybe just another typo. :lol:

[Sir Sin-O-Lot]

God made a mistake, he gave us logic to reveal his flaws.

[ghoulslime]

The Bible says stand firm before the enemy and he will fee!
How much is the "fee" and will God pay it or the enemy? Oh, maybe just another typo. :lol:
10% off the top, you silly goose!

[Kate]

I thought it was 10 pieces of silver.

[HMS Beagle]

Whenever I see or hear of people praying, I think of Waiting for Godot (or God, whichever):

VLADIMIR: That passed the time.
ESTRAGON: It would have passed in any case.

[Choobus]

The Bible says stand firm before the enemy and he will fee!
How much is the "fee" and will God pay it or the enemy? Oh, maybe just another typo. :lol:
10% off the top, you silly goose!
I've paid more for less (in times square)

[DMofD&D]

Johnny baby, since you seem so close to god, perhaps you can tell me this? Since god is omnipotent (infinite power), then he can obviously destroy satan with no more than a wiggle of his nose. you also say you god is susposed to be all good, right? he can only do good things? well, smiting satan is a good thing and its possible due to gods omnipotence, so why doesn't he do it? He:

1. Can smite satan and wants to, in which case there would be no satan now.hmm
2. Can't smite satan but wants to, contradicting his omnipotence.neutral
3. Can smite satan but doesn't want, contradicting his being good.yikes
4. Can't smite satan and doesn't want to, contradicting both his omnipotence and his being good.mad

Answer me this, Johnny baby. As a bonus, you can tell us a scientific experiment we can do to prove gods existence?

You quoted me! How flattering!
well yeah its kinda obvious which one is the right answer... number 1 for $600 alec... God can "smite satan" and He is going to send satan to burn in hell when He plans to (another sign of His omnipotence).
1. Satan already is burning in hell. HE IS HELL! Jeez!
2. God has a plan for us!? If he has a plan for us, than we obviously can't change it. He's already planned for me to go to hell no matter what i do. He's already planned for me to have/not have a girlfriend no matter what i do. he's already planned for me to go to the bathroom no matter what i do. He's already planned my entire life no matter what i do. Therefore, I HAVE NO FREE WILL How can "He" plan my life and give me free will at the same time?
3. It's not a sign of his omnipotence. I build whole worlds, gods, monters, cities, multiverses in D&D and i'm not omnipotent. As for you're experiment, you could always just die and see for yourself, but if i were you, i would accept Jesus. So if im right, then you get to live in paradise, and if im wrong, then you just are dead. or whatever. but on the other hand, if you die and dont accept Him and im right, then you are are kinda screwed, while if i am wrong, then you just are dead, like the first time... well my way has a 50-50 chance and yours has no chance, from a logical point of view of course... but ya know, you can just try it if theres nothing on tv to watch...
The soda that came out of my nose after reading this made quite an interesting miracle on the wall (http://www.ravingatheist.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=627). Try this: Spill some milk on the floor and pray to god that it will be gone on the next five minutes. Then you'll see...

By the way its ALEX, not ALEC Trebek.

[Sir Sin-O-Lot]

I thought it was 10 pieces of silver.
Thats just the entry fee, to stay in heaven its 100 a year.

[DMofD&D]

I thought it was 10 pieces of silver.
That's just the entry fee, to stay in heaven its 100 a year.
Wups, more soda on the wall. 100 silver pieces ain't that bad, though.

[ghoulslime]

I thought it was 10 pieces of silver.
Actually, in the new and improved church of god you can also pay with service - 10 pieces of silver, 10 pieces of ass, or if you are an altar boy you can pay with lip service.

[leguru]

Jesus is a friend of mine . . . no,no,no :lol:

[z3n]

Atheists are Satanic. Ha, I’m sure no one has heard that one before.

By the way spark, if you keep posting like this, you might get labeled as a troll and get banned.

[z3n]

god --------robot

God is a faggot, a slimy maggot, a worthless piece of shit...at least that's what he told me..

Whats this satanic foolishness?
Well occasionally there is foolishness because most people here are atheist and think that religion is silly.

And you’re calling it ‘satanic’ because of your apparently narrow, corrupt world-view.

[z3n]

The answer to your question is no.
I didn’t ask a question I made a statement.

Number one; I don't think it is foolishness but the intent of blasphemy with a willfull desire. (satanic) Blaspheny means words or actions showing disrepect for God. and guess what it is in the dictioary.
If you don’t think it’s foolishness then why did you ask:
Whats this satanic foolishness?
Oh, and blasphemy can only be done if a god actually exists. Atheists don’t believe in a god so the word “blasphemy” is essentially meaningless. You must prove that a god actually exists before you can accuse someone of blasphemy.

Number Two; I beleive in the holy temple within one's body and learning from spirit and truth eternaly and not by the eye of man because it is all hearsay.
You’re “holy temple” and “learning from spirit” stuff is hearsay unless you provide some reasonable grounds for what you are trying to pass off here.

But some people have understanding and don't rav on like satanical sate.
Reworded: "Rave on like satanic satisfy?" What does that mean?

[John316]

"Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in Heaven. He causes his sun to rise on evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors (dishonset/cheaters) doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more then others? Do not even pagans (godless person) do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect." Matthew 5:44-48

-This board is always open for prayer requests. Please feel free.

[Tenspace]

"Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in Heaven. He causes his sun to rise on evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors (dishonset/cheaters) doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more then others? Do not even pagans (godless person) do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect." Matthew 5:44-48

-This board is always open for prayer requests. Please feel free.
As mentioned before, we would prefer action to prayer. Could you donate a couple of hours to your local homeless shelter next weekend in our name?

"Silent Actions Speak Louder Than Empty Words"

Tenspace

[Little Earth Stamper]

I want you to pray for a rain of monkeys.