Proof that God exists!

[gmanbc]

It was in the bible the entire time and we have all just been overlooking it!

Mark 16:16-18 Jesus says. “Anyone who believes and is baptized will be saved. But anyone who refuses to believe will be condemned. These signs will accompany those who believe: They will cast out demons in my name, and they will speak in tongues. They will be able to handle snakes with safety, and if they drink anything poisonous, it won’t hurt them. They will be able to place their hands on the sick and heal them.

This verse coupled with the following verse will prove beyond a doubt that there is a God:

1 Thessalonians 5:20-21 Do not scoff at prophesies, but test everything that is said.

Now I just need a couple of Christians to drink some poison and this should end the debate :)

Lee
gmanbc

[z3n]

Yeah but see the Bible gives them an out:

"It is also written: You must not tempt the Lord your God." (Mt 4:7)

Kind of funny how the Bible gives all of these signs but not to tempt God with demonstrating them. It’s a typical contradiction and cop-out, like so much in the Bible is.

[gmanbc]

Yea, I know the excuse but 1 Thessalonians 5:20-21 (Do not scoff at prophesies, but test everything that is said) is not tempting God. I truly beleive God put this verse in the bible so the Christians can show the world that God exist! What better way to prove you are a true Christian then taking Jesus by his word and converting all us athiest by this simple act supported by the bible and therefore supported by God.

Come on Bible thumpers? If you truly care about my soul then put the poison where your mouth is.

***WARNING*** This verse could be hazardous to your health and I take noresponsibility for any fool that tries to prove my point!

Lee
gmanbc

[z3n]

Using the Bible to prove a point is like trying to convince someone that there’s a bunny shape in the clouds and not a rabbit. It’s all in perception. For example:

Yea, I know the excuse but 1 Thessalonians 5:20-21 (Do not scoff at prophesies, but test everything that is said) is not tempting God.
Yes testing prophesies may not be tempting God because prophesies come from people but taking poison and expecting God to save you certainly is.

Besides Proverbs 3:5 says, “Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding”

Therefore it could be interpreted that Christians should trust that God would allow them to be able to handle snakes and drink poison but not to do it for the sole purpose of tempting or testing Him.

See this is why it’s so hard to prove a point using the Bible because it can be used to demonstrate just about anything that one wants. Using the Bible to argue with Christians is like flinging mud to insult a pig, you end up getting your hands all muddy and the pig doesn’t even care.

[dd1989]

anyone who says the bible is evidence may aswell believe in harry potter. There is not one single piece of evidence to say what is in the bible is solid truth.

[HMS Beagle]

There is an absolutely brilliant article by Daniel Lazare called "False Testament," which essentially fact-checks the Old Testament. It was published in Harper's magazine, and included in "Best American Science and Nature Writing" in 2003 (Houghton Mifflin). It begins, "Not long ago, archaeologists could agree that the Old Testament, for all its embellishments and contradictions, contained a kernel of truth.... That is no longer the case."

[FiberglassDolphin]

Now I just need a couple of Christians to drink some poison and this should end the debate :)
That is a good idea, though.

[ocmpoma]

HMS, and all concerned:

Here (http://www.worldagesarchive.com/Reference_Links/False_Testament_(Harpers).htm) is a link to the aforementioned article.

[gmanbc]

Using the Bible to prove a point is like trying to convince someone that there’s a bunny shape in the clouds and not a rabbit. It’s all in perception.

See this is why it’s so hard to prove a point using the Bible because it can be used to demonstrate just about anything that one wants. Using the Bible to argue with Christians is like flinging mud to insult a pig, you end up getting your hands all muddy and the pig doesn’t even care.
The Bible has to be the battle ground for the existence of God, or at least this particular one. As you well know there is plenty of scientific evidence to refute the Bible but Christians won't even give it a second look. They have to look in their Bible! The worse written book of all time! I annoy the local Bible thumpers with errors from their own book, like in Genesis 22 where God tells Abraham to sacrifice his only son, "Isaac" but the Koran says that son was "Ishmael" who according to the bible was born before Isaac and hence God's only son. These are the kinds of errors that most of these "sheep" can't see, hence the name "blind sheep".

Of course, I also try and point out the hundred of numerical discrepancies, the Genocide, slavery, and incest committed by Gods chosen people. I try to point out that God coming down in the flesh, just to be beaten and killed by man would damn the world, not save it. And that most of the New Testament isn't scripture at all, just a bunch of letter thrown together by the church, that their God "Jesus" didn't even bother to help write. but they usually leave frustrated before we get that far.

If nothing else, I get them to admit that their precious Bible is flawed and weaken their faith :).

It is a great day when the Jehovah witness comes to my door :)

Lee
gmanbc

[z3n]

The Bible has to be the battle ground for the existence of God, or at least this particular one.
Oh, I don’t know, I see the Bible as more of a battleground for itself and maybe Christianity as a religion then it would be for the existence of God.

Here’s my whole take on the issue. In my experience Christians are very quick to presuppose the authority of the Bible and use it as statement of fact to help out their arguments. I will use the Bible to discuss and/or argue with Christians but only if they bring it up (and they usually do) or try to claim something as true with only using the Bible as their source of knowledge. I use the Bible to refute the Bible because the Bible is only supported by itself.

[PanAtheist]

I think gmanbc's original post is astute.

And the pointing out of contradictions and absurdities is one of the atheist's chief tools!

I think gmanbc is doing a good job.

[Tenspace]

It is a great day when the Jehovah witness comes to my door :)

Lee
gmanbc
I agree, but lately they haven't been coming around as much, ever since I gave their son some titles of reading materials.. you know, guys like Brian Greene, Michio Kaku, Ernst Mayr.

Oh, the irony! Their building a new "Kingdom Hall" right next to my office. THEY CANNOT ESCAPE ME! :)

I'll be visiting them regularly for advice and information.

heheh

Tenspace

[z3n]

I think gmanbc's original post is astute.

And the pointing out of contradictions and absurdities is one of the atheist's chief tools!

I think gmanbc is doing a good job.
Oh I agree and I hope I wasn’t coming across as being cynical for it’s own sake or anything because I also think it is a pretty good one. I was just trying to point out the most obvious contradictions so that way if any theists tried to chime in those avenues would already be covered.

I was also trying to show that since theists for the most part are blindly following the truth of the Bible anyways, that most of them will not be deterred by problems or absurdities found in it. I’m sure the most common excuse will be an appeal to ignorance in saying that there are just some things that can’t be properly explained by humans.

And shoot, if you can’t find any theists to drink any poison you can always try to find one that would be willing to try to move a mountain by faith.

[devil almighty]

that which can not be proven can not exist. Darwin!

[Firesolved]

Im so reading that shit to some of the jesus freaks in my school man. Dude...this one girl was debating (in our speech class) against religion in school and she was asking me for advice and shit. When I was done helping her (she had like 30 mins worth of material) she glared at me and said, "*Youre* the reason we cant have god in our school." Turns out she was a pentecostal brainwashed dumb fuck that got stuck debating against religion in school. I havent spoke to her since.

[Tenspace]

Im so reading that shit to some of the jesus freaks in my school man. Dude...this one girl was debating (in our speech class) against religion in school and she was asking me for advice and shit. When I was done helping her (she had like 30 mins worth of material) she glared at me and said, "*Youre* the reason we cant have god in our school." Turns out she was a pentecostal brainwashed dumb fuck that got stuck debating against religion in school. I havent spoke to her since.
If you do talk to her again, you might say, "Yeah, me and 38 million other Americans. You shouldn't be so hateful towards people that aren't like you. It's not very becoming."

Tenspace

[Firesolved]

Oh dude...during the summer I have to visit my dad. My step mom "converted" (didnt let him to go to his baseball games on sundays like usual) my dad from catholicism to pentecostal-ism ( :) ). Anyways, when I go down there, they try to turn me and my brother from our "evil ways" (what they said) to their church. So, each wednesday,thursday and sunday we are forced to go to this fucking thing and listen to the pastor guy babble on. Ive heard him say that muslims are damned to hell. Ive heard him say the same thing about jews. Ive heard him say the same thing about catholics (which offends me not because Im catholic, for thatd be quite hypocritical, rather my favorite grandmother was a catholic and the fact that this dude was basically saying that my grandmother was burning in hell pisses me off). Its absurd and its nothing short of what muslim matyrs say. Im just waiting for this fuck to say to go blow themselves up in muslim households or businesses....anyways, what the fuck should I say to them when they corner me and pound me with threats about if I dont believe in god Im doomed to hell? I mean, I dont believe in hell...or heaven...or god or satan...but its just irritating and I have yet to find a way to get them the fuck away from me. Any advice man?

[Tenspace]

I'd act like you welcome the opportunity to go to church. When they question your change of heart, you can quote the great strategist, Sun Tzu, who said, "Know thine enemy."

You can say that you respect your parents, and will do what you are asked. You can also ask if they have enough respect for you to not force you into doing things you don't want.

BTW, how old are you?

Tenspace

[baric]

anyways, what the fuck should I say to them when they corner me and pound me with threats about if I dont believe in god Im doomed to hell?
"It's your Hell -- YOU burn in it. Me? I've got better things to do than to believe in talking snakes and magic fruit trees."

[Eva]

.....why be so concerned about your grandmother, if you don't believe in hell?

[Ginge]

Thats kinda insensitive but makes sense at the same time

[Tenspace]

Thats kinda insensitive but makes sense at the same time
Good insight... I personally think he is more concerned about the memories of his grandmother than her (meta)physical body. The pastor is saying that his grandmother was evil; he knew her as a sweet person (I'm guessing here based on personal experience).

If someone said that about my mother or grandmother, I would calmly take him aside, where no one else can hear, and say, "My grandmother was a wonderful, sweet, loving woman. For you to say that she is burning in hell is tantamount to hate speech, and reveals you as a hateful bigot. Even though I don't believe in your silly mind controlling fairy tales, I do have to ask you, would Jesus hate Catholics as much as you? Or would he admonish you for your narrow, hateful worldview?"

Or something like that. ;)

Tenspace

[Firesolved]

Yeh. Its like someone going up to my grandmother and saying "Go to hell." Its not the fact that there is a hell or not, its just the fact that theyre saying it almost as an insult...but it isnt because it is in their doctrine or something. Man, if someone did that to her while she was alive, Id kick the shit out of em man (restraint was neccesary since I was in a public place).

Im 17. (theyve been drilling on me since I was like 12-13) And, fuck dude. Thats the best advice Ive heard. My dad loves Sun Tzu and Im sure if I said that at the right time, hed completely leave me alone. Thanks a lot and no, I didnt consider that "insensitve", I shoulda clarified. No biggy. :) Thanks again!

[Wheatgrass]

I went too a pentecostal church a month ago. The males where wearing suits and females dress with this lame looking hat. They'd sing,raise their hands in the sky, and even seen this dude fall on the ground trembling. I asked someone what's wrong with him and Im told it's the holy spirit getting into him. Yup i heard from these freaks that catholics,jews,buddist, hindu etc are all burning in hell. They are all a bunch of freakin morons

[Firesolved]

Yes...that is agreed upon...the penetcostal church=brainwashed, and occasionally drugged, stupified morons.

[GodlessHeathen]

Now I just need a couple of Christians to drink some poison and this should end the debate :)
Actually, there are already churches where this goes on. There was a thing on DatelineNBC a month or so ago that showed these little churches in Appalachia where people handle poisonous snakes and drink strychnine (although, they cheat with the strychnine - it's watered down to non-lethal proportions). People get bitten by the snakes, and sometimes, people die from the bites.

[Little Earth Stamper]

When people prosyletise to me I always respond by proselytising to them about the Aztec religion.

It sure annoys people, which is either good or bad, depending.

[Firesolved]

Okay yall...wish me luck heading out at 3:00 pm central time to my dads...I shall use yalls great advice...

[Techno]

Now I just need a couple of Christians to drink some poison and this should end the debate :)
Actually, there are already churches where this goes on. There was a thing on DatelineNBC a month or so ago that showed these little churches in Appalachia where people handle poisonous snakes and drink strychnine (although, they cheat with the strychnine - it's watered down to non-lethal proportions). People get bitten by the snakes, and sometimes, people die from the bites.
Yea i saw that DatelineNBC report also.
I thought it was pretty funny when they said that alot of people had got bitten and died. Makes them wonder why they continue to do it....
Brainwashing?

[MrsMoe]

anyone who says the bible is evidence may aswell believe in harry potter. There is not one single piece of evidence to say what is in the bible is solid truth.
Ya, that!

Example: According to the bible, Lot was a rightous man and was svaed by God hwen he wiped otu an enitre city by turning everything into salt (Sodom and Gomorrah.) He was also so wonderful that raped his daughters and knocked them both up (you know, got tehm pregnant with his babies.)

[calpurnpiso]

The interesting thing is that those folks infected with the pervasive neurological disorder of religious beliefs. A form of psychosis not unlike schizophrenia or temporal lobe epylepsy which makes the infected brain ACCEPT irrational delusions as if they were a tangible REALITY. In many ways religious beliefs are not unlike a form of HIV pathogen but in case of the brain, it would be in IMHO, refered to as HIBV ( human Immunodeficiency Brain Virus ). The immune system of the brain which protects this organ from accepting DELUSIONAL fantasies, as if they were REALITY, begins to be formed at birth. With time a child brain begins to tell the difference , using reasoning without faith triggers, between a fantasy and an empirical truth. What if this child's nt-psychosisological immune systems fails him and at twenty years of age, he still believes the Tooth Fairy and Santa are REAL people? Can we say MENTAL RETARDATION?

Well, those under Christ-psychosis, infected with a disease that, with faith trigger syndrome, tells their brains that people resurrect to save with blood for the SIN committed by a mud created man and his rib created women when they accepted a forbidden fruit offered by a talking snake! Alas, what the difference between this BELIEF and that of an schizophrenia sufferer or an individual suffering from mental retardation?

So, we mentally healthy folks MUST, with the help of mentally healthy scientists, neurologists, EXPOSE the mental illness of religious psychosis for what it is!

It is extremely dangerous to have the most powerful country in the world under the control of Christ-psychotics infected with HIBV!!......... The results are becoming obvious by each day. One must remember that Hitler, Stalin, Jones, Koresh, Doe, Andrea Yates to mention only a few, were infected with this devastating HIBV invisible illness!.

I love Christ-psychotics as I love HIV+ folks...I just HATE the illness that affecs them consuming slowly their bodies and brains.

[PissBoner]

This post above is stupid,

Seriously, fucking ridiculous.

As soon as you start ranting about Hitler and Stalin you have lost it, One could just as easy bring up Mao, pol pot and a host of other atheists who have commited atrocities.

Only an atheists is so arrogrant as to claim those who don't share his worldview are sick,

Wrong yes, ill, no fucking way, see about having your own head examined, or at least fucking grow up!

[calpurnpiso]

PissBoner wrote:

" This post above is stupid, Seriously, fucking ridiculous. "

Of course, it is "Seriously, fucking ridiculous "..for uneducated people unaware of HISTORICAL FACTS like obviously you are.

"As soon as you start ranting about Hitler and Stalin you have lost it, One could just as easy bring up Mao, pol pot and a host of other atheists who have commited atrocities."

If you would open books, read, get educated and get you brain in gear FIRST instead of you mouth you'll find out the kind of religion psychosis Hitler was infected with, and WHAT made him tick. What was the Religious psychosis of Germany and Europe at the time. How Hitler view Christianity. How he ALMOST became a priest. How he perceived the Jews as CHRIST-KILLERS ( this was the View of Judaism by Christianity infected Europe since the dawn of this psychosis in the 4th Century). How Hitler MIXED Runic Pagan ideas/morals with those of his Christ. How Hitler LOVED, Martin Luther ( do you know who he is?) book called (Of the Jews and their LIES).

How the SWASTIKA, a 3000 year old cross/sun symbol, was adopted and placed in the Buckles of nazi soldiers with the motto 'GOTT MIT UNS" ( god with us). Obviously you're ignorant of the god Hitler is refering to...then READ Mein Kampf and find out for yourself, how stupid and ridiculous my post is!!...ROTFLMAO.

There you'll find BIBBLE QUOTES and many ideas taken from this book of puerile lies and idiocies. Stalin also almost became a priest. Do you know what was the Religious psychosis of Russia at the time? If you get educated and connect the dots you'll find out that Europe had been INFECTED with Christianity for over 1700 years and Communism and Nazism were a reaction/imitation of Christianity CRUSADER spirit, where the ignorant masses must be at the CONTROL of a God/Emperor/Dictator.

Tell me what organ do you use for thinking. your heart or your brain?..I use my BRAIN, it is dificult to "think with pumps!!.No wonder Christians are so retarded and ignorant. Don't think like them!...LOL..

Here is a link for your education and if you do not believe what it contains DO RESEARCH, CONNECT the dots, like I have!!. You'll find out it is based on FACTS.

http://jews-for-allah.org/messianic-jews/christianhistorywithjews/hitler.htm

This link keeps track of Christ-psychosis activities since the 4th Century, where Hitler got his Christian ideals! Do you know who BARBAROSA was and WHY Hitler use this name for the operation of his Russian campaign.?

Here: http://www.geocities.com/iconoclastes.geo/victims.html

Unlike you, I had done EXTENSIVE research in many fields, so I can BACK UP my statements with FACTS....

[calpurnpiso]

The Christ-psychotics, in their hypocritical conniving deceptive techniques that they have mastered for millennia, will make anybody (the uneducated) belief that Hitler and Stalin were 'Atheists"....This is LAUGHABLE and does not reflect their behaviour and deeds. Hitler and Stalin were products of the insidious and pervasive Christian neurological conditioning that had taken hold in the minds of Europeans for centuries. :/

[Lurker]

You gotta love a dogmatic atheist. Entertaining to both atheists and theists alike. I say we let him keep talking.

[Mog]

Here is a link for your education and if you do not believe what it contains DO RESEARCH, CONNECT the dots, like I have!!. You'll find out it is based on FACTS.

http://jews-for-allah.org/messianic-jews/christianhistorywithjews/hitler.htm
You are using an Islam-evangelical website aimed at Jews for your evidence? Their attacks are kind of like the kettle calling the pot black, don't you think?
I suppose we can count on Moslems to help us tear down Christian myths, but I would be wary of such sources. You might wish to find a less religiously charged website for your evidence.

[Rhinoqulous]

I said it to Taylor, and I'll say it to you, calpurnpiso. You sir/madam/skin on the top of pudding, are a bigot. Comparing theism with HIV is past retarded; we need to come up with a new term. Ubertard? I like that.

People like this make all atheists look bad. But please, go on, post some more. Taylor doesn't come here anymore, and we need some entertainment to pull us through the rest of the week.

Rhinoq

[Tenspace]

Gotta love it. Calpurpiso has presented an argument no different than the "Religion is a mind infection" or the religious aspects of meme theory. He has presented it with passion and a (reasonably) good grasp of English. He has obviously given his theory much thought, and his facts appear straight.

Yet he's pissed off nearly everyone who's read his posts, apparently. I'll give him points for no mention of throbbing cocks, but he lost them by using Hitler in his first post.

Cal, lurker hit it... I'd go as far as to call you a proselytizing Atheist. Nothing wrong with that, it just don't float everyone's boat.

Now, if you have a website with 50,000 words on the home page and animated GIFs of mutant molecules defiling young virgins, I'd really worry.

Tenspace

[snap crafter]

Ya know, I'm not one to blame everything on mental illnesses. This reminds me of that christian site http://www.exodus-international.org that gives all this suedo-science about homosexuality being a mental illness caused by childhood trauma. It was easy enough to despell, but it worried me. A good many christian sites believed this, a form of hate and intolerance I can't stand.

Oh and throbbing cocks

[calpurnpiso]

Rhinoqulous wrote:

"I said it to Taylor, and I'll say it to you, calpurnpiso. You sir/madam/skin on the top of pudding, are a bigot. Comparing theism with HIV is past retarded; we need to come up with a new term. Ubertard? I like that.
People like this make all atheists look bad. But please, go on, post some more. Taylor doesn't come here anymore, and we need some entertainment to pull us through the rest of the week. "

LOL..of course, should I use GEHIRN GESTOERT ? but Bigot? Remember I LOVE the mentally ill but I hate their illness, don't you? Why are you afraid to call a mental illness for what it is. the acceptance of DELUSIONS as REALITY? Tell me, do you create thoughts and ideas with your brain or does this Deistic brain of your picks those thoughts up from the "divine" like a radio? What is it?

Couldn't one's brain be affected by psychoactive drugs ( amanita muscaria, bufo alvarius, peyotl, ergot, belladonna, opium, harmine, alcohol ), trauma or an idiopathic neurological disorder?..or is it bigotry for me to mention that ANY human brain is susceptible to illness?..or is it perhaps that deistic brains like yours are IMMUNE to mental illness?. I would put some more information in it, so you can answer this simple question. Don't our brains make us what we are? Were they zapped into existence by a god or did they evolved after 1/2 billion years of trial and error by organic substances?..:/ Remember Francois marie Arouet ( Voltaire) also said: Ecrasez L'Infame ( crush the infamous)...Hmm, he was such a bigot eh?. Remember, I don't go that far. I want to cure the Christ-psychosis from the mental illness that affects them...:) Obviously you don't not see the DAMAGE this illness is doing to America.

tenspace wrote:

"Gotta love it. Calpurpiso has presented an argument no different than the "Religion is a mind infection" or the religious aspects of meme theory. He has presented it with passion and a (reasonably) good grasp of English. He has obviously given his theory much thought, and his facts appear straight. "

Gratias tibi ago ( thanks in Latin), but I go a step further than Dawkins. My hypothesis is that religious beliefs are not merely a program, or virus of the mind (memes) as Dawkins believes. All of this happens inside the human brain which is a compilation of chemicals and electromagnetism, so it seems only an actual virus/pathogen could affect it avoiding detection. We KNOW thanks to Dr Persinger experiment electromagnetism affect the brain creating feelings of the divine.

http://www.geocities.com/satanicus_2/GodHelmet.html
Looking at neurons and other elements of the human brain under an electron microscope it is like looking at galaxies and mini universes. 1/2 billion years of trial an error of the elements that made matter be aware of itself!! So, I believe, using deductive thinking and awareness of empirical facts, ANY religious/ irrational beliefs where idiotic myths are accepted as a truth, could be caused by an actual virus. It is a fact that the vast majority of mental illness are idiopathic ( what causes the illness is UNKNOWN). Scientists recently discovered that DEPRESSION can be caused by the Borna virus...so, why negate the obvious? I compare religious psychosis to HIV, because HIV is a VIRUS that destroys the IMMUNE system of the body!. Alas, what about the brain? Doesn't the brain has a type of "immune system" that PREVENTS and PROTECTS the organ from accepting stupid reasoning that could destroy it?

Let's say you just watched a Superman movie, when we go back to your apartment located on the 20th floor of a building. You attach a red towel on your neck and tell me " Oh...I'm going to get some beer I'll use Superman's technique, it is faster"....and you jump from the balcony to your death! What happen?..where you sane?...did you use psychoactive drugs? One must remember that if you did not use drugs or were mentally retarded, the medical examiner will NOT be able to find the cause of your irrational behavior! Alas, can we say this of Christ-psychotic Andrea Yates that drowned her 5 children..or the donatist circumcellions of the 4th Century, or the Hashashins of the 12th Century..or Koresh..or jones...or Doe of Heaven's Gate...?

So, religious beliefs are a form of MENTAL ILLNESS ( IMHO), not unlike Borna type infections, temporal lobe epylepsy, schizophrenia etc. Since we use our BRAINS for THINKING, if the brain is faulty so are our THOUGHTS and BEHAVIOR. Crazy is as CRAZY does..is that simple!. Religious people are simply mentally ill, living their lives with defective computers!..this include the deists, where their ambiguity of thought, ambivalence and neural insecurity makes them think a Zapper-Intelligence/Divinity, initiated all!!..ROTFLMAO....Well, it could be, I may be completely wrong, but my brain says it is illogical and the concept god is simple a faith trigger idea....and we all know faith is always inversely proportional to the knowledge and inforamation of the person experiencing it. The more faith the less knowledge. Ignorant people seem to have the most abundant faith and suffer the most by con artists or Mental Slave Masters ( Priests, ministers, etc)!

"Yet he's pissed off nearly everyone who's read his posts, apparently. I'll give him points for no mention of throbbing cocks, but he lost them by using Hitler in his first post. "
Throbbing cocks ( Priapus, Min etc) used to be worshiped in ancient times ( this is a FACT), and it seems SUN/PENIS where one creator god. This was adopted by early Christians from the pagan religions. The act of Christ-psychotic catholics ( the originators of Christianity) to kneel, clasp hands and bow their heads to touch with their mouths the tip of their fingers, came from the act of worshiping the god Priapus! a penis! and PROSKINESIS which was the act of worshipping the King/Priest....so, I ROTFLMAO...when I see people in Churches kneeling and worshipping!...ROTFLMAO....

Of course I piss people off, I have FACTS backing every statement I make, thus uncovering their ignorance and lack of education. Laziness perhaps in doing some research instead of pretending to "know" what they do not?. When I'm wrong I'm the first to say so, since one LEARNS by one's mistakes and the utterances of others!.

What religious psychosis where the members of this forum infected with at birth?...what religious psychosis were their families under?...what was the religious psychosis of the country they were born into?....what was the religious-psychosis of their peers?. Many are healthy and could call themselves atheists, but in others, so called atheists, ocassionally from the depths of their subconscience minds surfaces a virulent Abrahamic trigger that reacts!!..these are the folks that react to my posts with anger..LOL..Hey, I like to wake people up from their apathy, when Christ-psychosis has infected 85% of Americans!....We better wake up and smell the Chirst-psychosis coffe, before it burn us all of , destroying Democracy and a return to the Middle Ages!

These folks are not yet cured of their myths-as-fact syndrome....can we say lingering christ-psychosis deism? I'm NOT free from the lingering religious psychosis which, IMHO, help in the evolution of our brains over 4 million years ago!!....but, unlike many I'M AWARE of this endemic neurosis and use it to my ADVANTAGE, enjoying the myths when I go to a church, temple, synagogue mosque...ALas, I invented my own religion!...AHH, I could make tons of money, selling lots in Titan where heaven truly is!!....LOL

"Cal, lurker hit it... I'd go as far as to call you a proselytizing Atheist. Nothing wrong with that, it just don't float everyone's boat.
Now, if you have a website with 50,000 words on the home page and animated GIFs of mutant molecules defiling young virgins, I'd really worry."

LOL...Oh no, I do not proselytize atheism, for atheism cold be define simply as the condition of a healthy brain, where the difference between fantasy and reality is constantly used by the brain when its neuro tramsmitters and receptors are communicating...:)

[calpurnpiso]

mog wrote:

"You are using an Islam-evangelical website aimed at Jews for your evidence? Their attacks are kind of like the kettle calling the pot black, don't you think? "

You're correct, but there are more links that confirm their findings. I suggest you read Mein Kampf compare it to the bible, then read about Hitler's childhood, teenage years, his folks, his frustrations in the art world, the Christianity of Germany at the time, the Christian POLICIES and influence of the Church,..also, Martin Luther's "of the Jews and their Lies", how Christian DELUSIONS influenced Hitler to embrace Germanic pagan RUnnic mythology as REALITY, how the "SS" symbol is symbolic of a solar deity...etc.

Also to put everything into perspective read about the different sects of Islam, life of Muhammed, Cave of hira experience, entheogens...It'll take months to connect the dots, but it'll be worth it....:)

[Mog]

Well, I had googled Hitler with Christian to check for myself.
I found this website: http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/ca_hitler.html

There's also this website: http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mhitlerchristian.html

The main evidence against his being a christian are his private remarks to his secretary very critical of the religion.

So yes, while theres evidence implying that he was a Christian, theres plenty of evidence suggesting that he's not.It seems that the evidence does show that Hitler was neither Christian nor Atheist. He manipulated Christians into thinking he followed and supported their religion and that the path of Christianity was his own twisted path, but he doesn't come off as a believer.

[Tenspace]

Gratias tibi ago ( thanks in Latin), but I go a step further than Dawkins. My hypothesis is that religious beliefs are not merely a program, or virus of the mind (memes) as Dawkins believes. All of this happens inside the human brain which is a compilation of chemicals and electromagnetism, so it seems only an actual virus/pathogen could affect it avoiding detection. We KNOW thanks to Dr Persinger experiment electromagnetism affect the brain creating feelings of the divine.
So, you're saying that religious belief is caused by a biological organism? Sure, there are specific areas, when stimulated create out-of-body or divine experiences - I'm sure you've read up on temporal lobe studies. Are you familiar with Ramachandran? What do you think about Pinker's work?

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[Evil_Mage_Ra]

Gratias tibi ago ( thanks in Latin), but I go a step further than Dawkins. My hypothesis is that religious beliefs are not merely a program, or virus of the mind (memes) as Dawkins believes. All of this happens inside the human brain which is a compilation of chemicals and electromagnetism, so it seems only an actual virus/pathogen could affect it avoiding detection. We KNOW thanks to Dr Persinger experiment electromagnetism affect the brain creating feelings of the divine.
So, you're saying that religious belief is caused by a biological organism?
Maybe he means midichlorians. :P

[GodlessHeathen]

Gratias tibi ago ( thanks in Latin), but I go a step further than Dawkins. My hypothesis is that religious beliefs are not merely a program, or virus of the mind (memes) as Dawkins believes. All of this happens inside the human brain which is a compilation of chemicals and electromagnetism, so it seems only an actual virus/pathogen could affect it avoiding detection. We KNOW thanks to Dr Persinger experiment electromagnetism affect the brain creating feelings of the divine.
So, you're saying that religious belief is caused by a biological organism?
Maybe he means midichlorians. :P
If Xtianity offered a free light saber, I'd be in.

[Evil_Mage_Ra]

So, you're saying that religious belief is caused by a biological organism?
Maybe he means midichlorians. :P
If Xtianity offered a free light saber, I'd be in.
:lol:

CHRISTIAN: "Accept Christ and go to Heaven forever!"
ATHEIST: "Ugh, no thanks!"
CHRISTIAN: "First 144,000 to sign up get a free lightsaber!"
ATHEIST: "Really?!? Sweet!"

[Rhinoqulous]

Gotta love it. Calpurpiso has presented an argument no different than the "Religion is a mind infection" or the religious aspects of meme theory. He has presented it with passion and a (reasonably) good grasp of English. He has obviously given his theory much thought, and his facts appear straight.

Yet he's pissed off nearly everyone who's read his posts, apparently. I'll give him points for no mention of throbbing cocks, but he lost them by using Hitler in his first post.
Sorry Ten, can't agree with you here. This is not meme theory, in that cal is singling out religion alone as a "mind infection", and even more than that, he compares religion to AIDS (which I find disgusting). If he would admit that his own ideas and concepts are "mind infections", I'd grant him the tolerance of being a meme theorist. He's not though; he's just a bigot.

Rhinoq

[Rhinoqulous]

Rhinoqulous wrote:

LOL..of course, should I use GEHIRN GESTOERT ? but Bigot? Remember I LOVE the mentally ill but I hate their illness, don't you? Why are you afraid to call a mental illness for what it is. the acceptance of DELUSIONS as REALITY? Tell me, do you create thoughts and ideas with your brain or does this Deistic brain of your picks those thoughts up from the "divine" like a radio? What is it?
I have a Deistic Brain? When the hell did that happen!? Did you steal my old brain? I kept all my stuff in there! Oh no, I can't remember my birthday!!

I'm not afraid to call a mental illness what it is, I just don't think theism is a mental illness. Bigotry might be, though. If you get down to it, everyone just accepts his or her own personal DELUSIONS (capital letters show that my argument is really good) as REALITY.

Couldn't one's brain be affected by psychoactive drugs ( amanita muscaria, bufo alvarius, peyotl, ergot, belladonna, opium, harmine, alcohol ), trauma or an idiopathic neurological disorder?..or is it bigotry for me to mention that ANY human brain is susceptible to illness?..or is it perhaps that deistic brains like yours are IMMUNE to mental illness?.
You forgot psilocybin. Now you've gone and made me miss Philboid, that damn lucky bastard, going to the holy land.

No, it's bigotry to compare theism with AIDS. Are people of different political affiliations than you suffering from mental illness? Does everyone who disagrees with you suffer from mental illness? And what the hell are you talking about, my deistic brain? Where the hell did you get the idea I'm a deist?

I would put some more information in it, so you can answer this simple question. Don't our brains make us what we are? Were they zapped into existence by a god or did they evolved after 1/2 billion years of trial and error by organic substances?..:/
Well technically I believe our experiences and relations with the world make us who we are, but that does happen in the brain (deistic or otherwise). I'm an evolutionist, so yes our brain came from millions of years of natural selection.
Remember Francois marie Arouet ( Voltaire) also said: Ecrasez L'Infame ( crush the infamous)...Hmm, he was such a bigot eh?. Remember, I don't go that far. I want to cure the Christ-psychosis from the mental illness that affects them...:) Obviously you don't not see the DAMAGE this illness is doing to America.
I see the damage Fundamentalist thinking is doing to America, and your thinking is just as fundamentalist as the bible thumpers.


My hypothesis is that religious beliefs are not merely a program, or virus of the mind (memes) as Dawkins believes. All of this happens inside the human brain which is a compilation of chemicals and electromagnetism, so it seems only an actual virus/pathogen could affect it avoiding detection. We KNOW thanks to Dr Persinger experiment electromagnetism affect the brain creating feelings of the divine.
You can stimulate all sorts of feelings with electromagnetism. Or do you think other strong feelings, like happiness, are diseases that need to be cured? Just because it can be artificially stimulated doesn't make it a disease.
Scientists recently discovered that DEPRESSION can be caused by the Borna virus...so, why negate the obvious? I compare religious psychosis to HIV, because HIV is a VIRUS that destroys the IMMUNE system of the body!. Alas, what about the brain? Doesn't the brain has a type of "immune system" that PREVENTS and PROTECTS the organ from accepting stupid reasoning that could destroy it?
Why not just say ALL human culture could be the result of a virus? Or is it that you value your own opinion too much to consider it the symptom of a diseased mind?

You wrote a bunch more, but I write this shit in my free time at work, and it would take me the rest of the day to respond to all you points. If you want me to respond to something particular, just ask.

Rhinoq

[Tenspace]

Gotta love it. Calpurpiso has presented an argument no different than the "Religion is a mind infection" or the religious aspects of meme theory. He has presented it with passion and a (reasonably) good grasp of English. He has obviously given his theory much thought, and his facts appear straight.

Yet he's pissed off nearly everyone who's read his posts, apparently. I'll give him points for no mention of throbbing cocks, but he lost them by using Hitler in his first post.
Sorry Ten, can't agree with you here. This is not meme theory, in that cal is singling out religion alone as a "mind infection", and even more than that, he compares religion to AIDS (which I find disgusting). If he would admit that his own ideas and concepts are "mind infections", I'd grant him the tolerance of being a meme theorist. He's not though; he's just a bigot.

Rhinoq
I agree that the HIBV is not a very good analogy. Later in his post, he calls religion a psychosis. And in another post, he posits that it could be pathological.

I see Cal as someone who discovered this forum and poured out his feelings - looks like they've been bottled up for awhile, too. He's almost like the obnoxious kid in class that knows all the answers, but never learned how to present himself properly. I'll give him a chance to learn more appropriate ways to communicate before tossing him on the pile with all the other ranting contributors.

Then again, I asked a simple question, and he hasn't been back to follow up. Maybe this is just a drive-by post from a pissed-off atheist.

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[calpurnpiso]

AHHH...I love when the Christ-psychotics come to my door to "introduce me to the Jesus Tooth Fairy...I just send them to the nearest mental health clinic so they can be TRULY 'saved" from the HIBV ( Human Immunodeficiency Brain Virus) that has taken control of their brains, impeding those unfortunate folks from differentiating between any idiotic delusion and reality!....and their babble is FULL of them!.

Just give Lord of the Rings, 1700 years and it could also be accepted in the future as a "word of god"....:)

[Amazonis]

I do not beleive theism is a mental illness (just stupidity and ignorance). I think by calling theism a mental illness you are actually degrading the theists less (and i assume that is what you intend to happen when you claim they all have a mental condition) because you are giving them an excuse for their loony beliefs. A mental condition is for the most part beyond the victims control, however theism is completely controlible if you want to control it. The problem is theists want to have their beliefs, because they make them feal secure and they do not have to face the harsh reality of life.