Who/What Is The Intelligent Designer?

[kkawohl]

The Intelligent Designer Proclaims:

I Am The Intelligent Designer.
I did not come from nowhere.
I play no magic tricks on man.
I did not create the earth by casting spells.
I had a humble beginning the same as man;
My beginning was at the dawn of spirituality.
My wisdom grows as more spirits unite
After the cessation of life after much physical strife.
Throughout time I have been named God,
Allah, Jehovah, The Great Spirit, and many more.
I do not judge man for his vanity or naivety
To be the one who claims to please me the most.
I am easy to please. I require very little.
I only want you to do what is best for mankind.
I will bless you and wish you well.
I will inspire your mind and you will
Accomplish the unfathomable.
I require no worship. I need nothing from man.
I am self sufficient. I am spirit.

Develop your spirit wisely, the best that you can.
Live your life for the betterment of man.
Your spirit will soon be with me and then
Together we will see and traverse the universe.
There are many wonders to behold,
Your spirit will soar.
You will partake in all the wisdom
That has been gathered from the beginning of time.
The stars will be your playground.
You can play with the animals,
Be with your loved ones,
Listen to the greatest opera,
Stage or musical performances,
Or you can just relax next to a bubbling brook
And enjoy the scenery.
You feel no pain, despair,
Heartache, or negative emotions.
You are now One with me.
You are with the SPIRITUAL UNITY my child.:)

Kurt Kawohl

[kkawohl]

I submits that trillions of years ago space was a vacuum containing only light nuclei and the universe was devoid of all solid matter. Atoms were created from energy through nuclear fusion which is the action of two light nuclei joining into one stable nucleus which is lighter than the total of the two and therefrom emit energy. This nuclear fusion of atomic particles possess vast amounts of energy which is also a fundamental attribute of life and function of the universe. An equivalent quantity of physical energy was expended in creating the atom which was thought to be indivisible but now know can be resolved into component units. This nuclear fusion and physical energy caused a chain reaction, a collision of atoms resulting in the formation of compounds; the beginning of the universe.

Modern atomic theory is generally said to begin with John Dalton, an English chemist and meteorologist who in 1808 published a book on the atmosphere and the behavior of gases that was entitled A New System of Chemical Philosophy. Dalton's theory of atoms rested on four basic ideas: chemical elements were composed of atoms; the atoms of an element were identical in weight; the atoms of different elements had different weights; and atoms combined only in small whole-number ratios, such as 1:1, 1:2, 2:1, 2:3, to form compounds.

In recent years, we have learned that 95% of the Universe is made of a type of matter or energy that we cannot see nor understand. Gravity may ripple across the Universe in waves, and certain cosmic rays, atomic particles moving at near light speed, possess an energy far greater than that which can be explained by modern physics.

In the Theory of Relativity, the intuitive notion of time as an independent entity is replaced by the concept that space and time are intertwined and inseparable aspects of a four-dimensional universe, which is given the name space-time. Einstein sought unsuccessfully for many years to incorporate the theory into a unified field theory valid also for subatomic and electromagnetic phenomena. This is not feasible because any and all of our scientific data is applicable only to this physical third dimension.

Einstein also said "It seems to me that science not only purifies the religious impulse of the dross of its anthropomorphism but also contributes to a religious spiritualization of our understanding of life" Einstein refutes a personal God, which logic and rationality supports. He also said that God may very well be the energy that is in all matter and energy, that cannot be separated from matter/energy. I submit that what mankind calls God is the pure energy in the fourth dimension, the Progressive and Accumulative Spiritual Intelligence of the universe. Everything in the universe follows the universal laws which separate the physical and the spiritual existence. Energy is power, vigor, liveliness, intensity. It is a measurable quantity, without reference to its nature or source. Energy, or life is a fundamental attribute and function of the universe. Our bodies build up and harness a minute amount of spiritual energy that is transferred into the spiritual dimension upon our death. Then this spiritual energy is limitless because it lacks resistance and this energy can assimilate as a unity or be separate and individual. It is this spiritual energy that mankind has called God. It is a composition of the spiritual intellect of the universe, of every soul that has passed from the physical universe into the spiritual universe. It can create a spiritual existence of beauty that is beyond the imagination…my spirit has experienced it.

The existence of a fourth dimension is still being vastly debated. If we represent thought and emotion which is not physical, as existing in space, we must then accept the existence of another, a fourth dimension where these processes thrive. Our Mind, Thought, Truth, Intuition, Intelligence, Appreciation and Awareness are all aspects of another dimension.

The universe is the encompassment of ALL (matter, energy, space, time) that exists in a physical, material, tangible or intangible, natural or unnatural state in this third dimension. Our subconscious contains the records of our life's experiences and is composed of consciousness, awareness, thoughts, and emotions. The physical composition is a mass of atoms. Emotion is the energy that drives the physical body. Energy is like electro-magnetic energy, or light. It is carried by photons; it can cross-convert back and forth with solid matter, according to the ratio E=MC2, and when in the energy form, its propagation speed is limited to C, which is the speed of light, approximately 300,000 km/sec.

With the evolution of life forms in the third dimension we can then deduct that the fourth dimension which is also considered the spiritual dimension came about through life in the third dimension. All of what we can presently see of the universe, its billions of stars, the galaxies, and other solar systems with its planets only represent less than 2% of the total existence of the universe. Did Life begin on earth? It is naive of us to assume that throughout the trillions of years past that life has only existed on our small world and therefore the fourth dimension, the spiritual existence came about through mankind.

Kurt Kawohl

[kkawohl]

Why do people shy away from the concept of connecting an Intelligent Designer with evolution? Is it because of the bad reputation that many religions have created for the ID through their superstitions beliefs that are justifiably looked upon as mere myth by the scientific community?

Enlightenment is a state of intellectual or spiritual awareness, the process of this spiritual awareness is translated by the mind. An aural experience is the mind's interpretation of either a spiritual or intellectual interaction with the subconscious which can also be considered the spirit. Any translation is subject to the mind's conditioning, hence, when the interceder, the mind is enlightened, it translates the reception accordingly.

Every person is born with consciousness or a spirit and it is not a religious force nor heaven sent or heaven inspired, though some people via deep meditation can have their spirit interact with a spiritual existence. The spirit or soul exists in the collective mental processes of the subconscious. A child’s spirit is a part of the mother's spirit which is passed down to the fetus and is then separated from its host at birth. Consciousness arises when contact has been made with a base; (sense or emotion) this is when spirit initiates its first recording. The spirit is the database of the senses and emotions. One may say that emotions are psychological, (of the psyche) structuralism, psychobiological, but they are nevertheless of the spirit; which also subscribes to a form of natural selection. The mind is unable to consciously communicate with the spirit. The conscience is the only communicator with the spirit or soul. The conscience relays information to the spirit unless the conscience is anesthetized by immoral acts or evil deeds.

Kurt Kawohl
http://transcendentalism.us

[Another brick in the wall]

Hold your horses Kurt.

How can you be so sure that spirits/souls exist? What evidence leads you to believe that people have souls? As far as I can tell, the thing we call "consciousness" is entirely dependent on the state of our brains. If consciousness were the result of some nonphysical spirit or soul, why do drugs like alcohol appear to alter the way people think and feel? The fact that our emotions and thoughts appear to have a chemcal basis leads me to believe that there is no "ghost in the machine." What kind of experiment could be devised to test whether or not spirits/souls exist?

[ocmpoma]

"Why do people shy away from the concept of connecting an Intelligent Designer with evolution?"

Because ID is a religious concept (creationism) and most people who are of the frame of mind to let their religious beliefs override logic, etc. don't like evolution.

[kkawohl]

According to some scientists in New Delhi recent research, the biomedical part of life can be created through advanced applications of molecular biology and organic chemistry. But what really happens is that when the cells find out that they have to be part of a “union”, they communicate among themselves and form a larger life form. The process continues. While the process propagates, energy in the form of electromagnetic flux forms as a concentrated form of clustered energy. That clustered energy survives even if the physical body of the artificial life form is destroyed. The energy cluster is actually part of a larger cluster, which can be viewed as part of the whole universe. The life as we know is collection of cells with a “union” that is governed by that electromagnetic flux of energy. The energy is indestructible. The energy in the whole universe is interlinked and is part of a huge integrated infrastructure. It may even extent to multiple universes and dimensions.

Man's spirit is energy which invigorates and energizes man, a force, essence; energy can transfer from one source to another. The remainder of man is physical substance.

Eternity is timelessness, (science does not dispute this) infinity, measurableness. Many people, myself included, have testified to having had their spirit interact with this spiritual eternity. Will science ever be able to proove this?

Inspiration is the reception of knowledge, an influence on the mind or
consciousness. Millions of radio waves traverse our world daily via being
transmitted and received. Is the mind possibly able to receive inspiration
from a spiritual source and can the mind possibly transmit its data into
another dimension? Logic disputes this.

If we look at some hypothetical questions:

1. Psychology is an attempt at logic, but does the analytical approach more
often produce or stifle creativity?

A. example: psychologists 200 years ago would have completely rejected the
ideas that:
1. several tons of steel (an airplane) could stay afloat in the air.
2. Electricity could be harnessed.
3. Radio waves could be sent around the world.
4. Man would walk on the moon.
5. Man would travel to other planets.
6. Machines could analyze data and correctly store it better than man.

2. Will man 200 years from today be able to:
1. Harness the power of the atom to produce all of its required energy?
2. Disassemble and reassemble atoms into another area?
3. Find a mode of travel faster than light?
4. understand the string theory, black holes, the existence of several
dimensions?
5. Utilize thought transference?

Today, over 100 planets are known outside our solar system. There are
billions of stars with numerous solar systems. Our knowledge of the universe
is in its infancy. We have learned recently that up to 95% of the Universe
is made of a type of matter or energy that we cannot see nor understand.
Gravity may ripple across the universe in waves, and certain cosmic rays,
atomic particles moving at near light speed, possess an energy far greater
than that which can be explained by modern physics.

Kurt Kawohl
http://transcendentalism.us

[kkawohl]

Hold your horses Kurt.

How can you be so sure that spirits/souls exist? What evidence leads you to believe that people have souls? As far as I can tell, the thing we call "consciousness" is entirely dependent on the state of our brains.
I consider myself a realist, yet I have had three weird experiences in my 63 years & I think I know but then again I have to rely on my brain accurately translating these experiences which were puzzling and overwhelming....and then that is where faith takes over but then rationality replaces it with doubt and one realizes that every man is fallible because what man considers as the ID is way too astonishing for any human to accurately grasp.

Many people have had spiritual interactions with the spiritual existence and anyone desiring it with their entire soul can have this same experience; mine was not superior to anyone else's.

Dr. Lommel (cardiologist) stated:
Dear Kurt Kawohl,

Thank you for mailing to me your near-death experience. The response from your father is what you usually hear from people who have experienced such an experience and try to communicate about it. This is such a hard confrontation. But I also know, that many, many people are open for it, and I also know that this is not a dream, hallucination or a vivid imagination.

Be careful in communicating about your experience, and listen to your intuition in finding people who want to listen. Be patient. I wish you all the best.

Q1. You can call consciousness outside the brain "spirit", if you like. But
this can be confusing, because not everybody has the same ideas about what
exactly "spirit" should be. And there are several "levels" of consciousness,
waking consciousness, dreaming consciousness, "subconsciousness", collective
human consciousness, morphogenetic consciousness, higher cosnciousness,
Cosmic consciousness, Divine consciousness. All these levels of
consciousness are interconnected, and available, also during our life in our
body.
Q2. I agree with you that also deep mental stress can facilitate the access
to other levels or other aspects of our consciousness, See also answer Q1.
But also NDE, meditation, regression therapy, isolation, depression,
terminal illness and other circumstances can facilitate this effect.
Q3. This phase-space is a higher dimensional space, presumably not just the
fourth dimension, according to Quantum Mechanics. Induced experiences are
never the same as a NDE, sometimes several elements can be experienced, like
flashes of the past, a feeling of not being in the body, or a period of
unconsciousness, but aspects like a life-review, or transformation after the
experience are hardly mentioned after induced experiences. All
ND-expeirences are personal experiences, where finding words for it is very
difficult, and cultural, demographic and religious factors play a role in
this. So I have never heard a similar experience ever.
Q4. Braindead is a sometimes very difficult diagnosis. But when the brain
has no function any more, without circulation in the brain, there should be
no access to stimuli whatsoever according current medical science, which
"believes" that consciousness is exclusively produced in and located in the
brain.
With kind regards,
Pim van Lommel, cardiologist
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See http://transcendentalists.org

[kkawohl]

"Why do people shy away from the concept of connecting an Intelligent Designer with evolution?"

Because ID is a religious concept (creationism) and most people who are of the frame of mind to let their religious beliefs override logic, etc. don't like evolution.
Not necessarily so....Einstein said…."God" may very well be the "energy" that is in all matter and energy, that cannot be separated from matter/energy…."I believe in a Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings.]. (Spinoza believed the more one studies and understands the universe the better one understands God) …."My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds. That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God."….."Everyone who is seriously interested in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe—a spirit vastly superior to man, and one in the face of which our modest powers must feel humble."…."My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment."….“God, seems to be an "intelligence" or "superior reasoning power" which was behind the laws and harmonies of the universe".

Question: What is the composition of the ID?
Answer: Energy & Collective Consciousness or Spirit.

Kurt

[kkawohl]

Well done Kurt, that was fucking awesome. I mean, truly outstanding!

More please.
Easy now...we don't want your mind to go into overload & then shut down...or have you turn into a born-again Hallelujah type of guy...but seriously, I've been fighting to establish religious logic and rationality & to eliminate superstitions from beliefs for the last 3 years...of course any help is appreciated. See http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-33,GGLD:en&q=kkawohl

Kurt

[baric]

Why do people shy away from the concept of connecting an Intelligent Designer with evolution? Is it because of the bad reputation that many religions have created for the ID through their superstitions beliefs that are justifiably looked upon as mere myth by the scientific community?
Nope. The reason that people "shy away " from connecting an Intelligent Designer with evolution is simple... it's because evolution is Exhibit #1 against the concept of intelligent design.

[kkawohl]

Why do people shy away from the concept of connecting an Intelligent Designer with evolution? Is it because of the bad reputation that many religions have created for the ID through their superstitions beliefs that are justifiably looked upon as mere myth by the scientific community?
Nope. The reason that people "shy away " from connecting an Intelligent Designer with evolution is simple... it's because evolution is Exhibit #1 against the concept of intelligent design.
Evolution and the Intelligent Designer are intertwined. If it were not for evolution, there would be no ID. If the ID exists where then did it come from? Did the ID create life or did life create the ID? Did Life begin on earth?

All of what we can presently see of the universe, its billions of stars, the galaxies, and other solar systems with its planets only represent less than 2% of the total existence of the universe. It is naïve of us to assume that throughout the trillions of years past that life has only existed on our small world and therefore the spiritual existence, the ID came about through mankind. We can compare our knowledge to the collective spiritual consciousness, the beginning of the ID and the beginning of life in the universe as that of a two year old child who is just developing its reasoning abilities. Our world status within the universe is comparable to a mere grain of sand, a simple molecule that makes up the vast expanse of the universe.

People have portrayed the ID as being mysterious when the concept of the ID is really quite simple. The ID is a loving, peaceful coexistence of spiritual souls including ours upon our physical demise. The ID's intelligence is ever expanding and grows with the addition of each soul. Every soul is like a separate cell or atom on earth which combines with other cells or atoms to make up the existence of every living person, plant, animal and even the air which sustains all life; so also do souls perform, either individually or in unison.

The bonding of the first two righteous souls, the first reasoning entities, the ID whom makind has called God, originated somewhere in the universe on our earth or on a planet in another solar system, possibly billions of years ago. The bonding of the first two souls created spiritual unity which expanded and progressed, created Cumulative Intelligence which our spirit/soul can tap into to receive inspiration and therefrom perform the seemingly impossible.

The ID is self-sufficient and needs nothing from mankind.

Kurt

[Choobus]

This kurt is the most amusing idiot since Regis (+ kelly). What a fucking assclown. The sad thing is he has obviously spent a lot of time coming up with the sort of bullshit that teenagers think is new and original.

[ocmpoma]

KK, ID (with capitals) is Creationism dressed up in psuedonyms. It is religious at its core, and only pretends to be science the way the CPSU pretended to be democratic. If you wish to discuss some other form of design, I suggest you drop the capitals to avoid confusion.

[Another brick in the wall]

You certainly have some interesting ideas, Kurt.

It's great to have ideas, but you must have evidence to back it up. Your arguments are peppered with bold assertions, analogies, philosophies, and speculation, but that's not science. It's a start, but not the end.

Various parts of the body and their functions have been shown to exist through research (e.g. William Harvey determined that the heart pumps blood). Where is the soul located? How much does it weigh? Can a soul be diseased/healed? What is the chemical compostion of the soul? Has the soul been researched in other animals?

On a side note, I think you have been using some terminology loosely. "Dimension" simply refers to a range of quantities. In engineering systems, you can have hundreds of dimensions (e.g. the voltage across resistor 1, resistor 2, etc). When physicists say that the universe "has" 10 dimensions, they mean that every particle in the universe can be accurately described by assigning a quantity to each dimension. Personally, I have a hard time believing there's another whole universe lying hidden somewhere, and even if there were, how could we know about it?

[kkawohl]

KK, ID (with capitals) is Creationism dressed up in psuedonyms. It is religious at its core, and only pretends to be science the way the CPSU pretended to be democratic. If you wish to discuss some other form of design, I suggest you drop the capitals to avoid confusion.
So be it. Most of the people, as well as I who subscribe to a logical intelligent design theory, theorize that the designer percept does not create or has created anything in the physical universe, but that there is a collective consciousness that guides its development like a Master Planner; there are no religious connections. Spirit/soul is consciousness as described by Dr. Lommel.

Kurt :)
http://transcendentalism.us

[kkawohl]

This kurt is the most amusing idiot since Regis (+ kelly). What a fucking assclown. The sad thing is he has obviously spent a lot of time coming up with the sort of bullshit that teenagers think is new and original.
The amusing part is cool, but anyone who uses words like "fucking assclown" places themselves into the idiot category due to an inability to express themseves for lack of mental capacity and vocabulary. :P

[Another brick in the wall]

I think people who use terms like "energy clusters" and "collective consciousness" place themselves in the idiot category . . . unless they can adequately demonstrate such things.

Energy is not a substance or fluid stored up in matter. It's the ability to do work, nothing more. All you've done is replaced religious hokum like "God" with "Intelligent Designer" and misused scientific vocabulary to fool uneducated people into thinking your philosophy is somehow based on observation and hypothesis-testing (real science).

[Another brick in the wall]

I'm not trying to be argumentative. If you (Kurt) have evidence for your ideas, please share them. I am particularly interested in learning how you (or others) intend to test them. They don't have to be concrete. You can send us thought experiments, if you like.

Perhaps it is time to change subjects.

[baric]

Why do people shy away from the concept of connecting an Intelligent Designer with evolution? Is it because of the bad reputation that many religions have created for the ID through their superstitions beliefs that are justifiably looked upon as mere myth by the scientific community?
Nope. The reason that people "shy away " from connecting an Intelligent Designer with evolution is simple... it's because evolution is Exhibit #1 against the concept of intelligent design.
Evolution and the Intelligent Designer are intertwined. If it were not for evolution, there would be no ID. If the ID exists where then did it come from? Did the ID create life or did life create the ID? Did Life begin on earth?
The existence of evolution does not necessitate the existence of an ID. Asking where it came from is pointless until you can prove it exists. Evolution is certainly not proof of that.

Life may or may not have begun on Earth. An ID may or may not have been involved. If you want to make up answers by guessing, no one is going to stop you. But you should provide evidence of an ID if you want people to believe you.

All of what we can presently see of the universe, its billions of stars, the galaxies, and other solar systems with its planets only represent less than 2% of the total existence of the universe. It is naïve of us to assume that throughout the trillions of years past that life has only existed on our small world
I agree up until that point, but then you go off the deep end with...

and therefore the spiritual existence, the ID came about through mankind. We can compare our knowledge to the collective spiritual consciousness, the beginning of the ID and the beginning of life in the universe as that of a two year old child who is just developing its reasoning abilities.
Your "therefore" does not follow. Prove that there is an ID before arguing about where it came from.

[fortytwo]

On a side note, I think you have been using some terminology loosely. "Dimension" simply refers to a range of quantities. In engineering systems, you can have hundreds of dimensions (e.g. the voltage across resistor 1, resistor 2, etc). When physicists say that the universe "has" 10 dimensions, they mean that every particle in the universe can be accurately described by assigning a quantity to each dimension. Personally, I have a hard time believing there's another whole universe lying hidden somewhere, and even if there were, how could we know about it?
Actually, string theory says that there are 10 dimensions, meaning up/down, front/back, left/right, and six other spatial dimensions, plus one dimension of time. The six we can't see are tiny and curled up. Think of the surface of a garden hose - along the length of the hose is one dimension, and around the circumference of the hose is a second dimension, but it's a curled up dimension, so from far enough away the hose looks like a one-dimensional line.

The Standard Model of physics has 19 quantities that as far as I know are usually called parameters, not dimensions, and these 19 numbers (the mass of the electron, the charge of the up quark, etc.) are all you need to describe everything in the universe.

But that's pretty irrelevant to the present discussion. I didn't read all of the nonsense he posted, but I seem to remember reading something about a "spiritual dimension," and I can assure you that neither Einstein nor any other scientist I know of ever postulated anything like that.

[fortytwo]

Why do people shy away from the concept of connecting an Intelligent Designer with evolution? Is it because of the bad reputation that many religions have created for the ID through their superstitions beliefs that are justifiably looked upon as mere myth by the scientific community?
Nope. The reason that people "shy away " from connecting an Intelligent Designer with evolution is simple... it's because evolution is Exhibit #1 against the concept of intelligent design.
Evolution and the Intelligent Designer are intertwined. If it were not for evolution, there would be no ID.
No, no, no! The whole point of evolution is that there is no need for a Designer!

[Just Add Fire]

listen to the man kkawohl, hes got his shit together

[Lucretius]

Intelligent Design is anecdotal and unscientific to say the least. You can't test for any of this empirically. IDists assume they know what an intelligent designer would do — the truth is, they assume the existence of the designer and they assume they know what the designer will do. Then they "test" for these assumptions, and say their assumptions become facts.

It's crap.

[baric]

listen to the man kkawohl, hes got his shit together
Yes. It's all self-contained within his cranium