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docjmcg2
05-16-2005, 11:01 PM
Finally, outrage from the muslim world. Islamic leaders from across the world unite in condemnation. But is it against the hijacking of their religion by extremists using 757s as missiles. Sorry...no...it's for Quran flushing.
Death to the infidels
baric
05-16-2005, 11:29 PM
Theists are ultimately irrational. That's why they do stupid things.
GaryM
05-17-2005, 08:51 AM
Yeah, it isn't just Muslims that have (to atheists at any rate) strange priorities. What was the most discussed topic in the media involving Christian groups in the UK in the last year? Abortion? No. Euthanasia? No. Plumetting Church attendances? No. War in the Middle East? No. Jerry Springer: The Opera? Yes.
Coldbourne
05-20-2005, 03:10 AM
Newsweek has retracted this article due to the fact that it was bullshit.
Seventeen deaths have been attributed to this instance, gotta love muslims.
Current indications are that it was actually a muslim detainee that flushed the thing.
Don't they have chemical toilets there? And how would you flush a whole book down the toilet?
Little Earth Stamper
05-20-2005, 10:39 AM
Finally, outrage from the muslim world. Islamic leaders from across the world unite in condemnation. But is it against the hijacking of their religion by extremists using 757s as missiles. Sorry...no...it's for Quran flushing.
Death to the infidels
Well, the whole Koran thing is another indication that Americans neither respect nor understand the culture of the middle east, and that we don't want to either. Considering our substantial presence in the middle east, that is a valid concern.
Also, while Islamic leaders disagree about how alright it is to kill infidels, they all agree that the Koran is pretty nifty. That's pretty much a pre-requisite for being a muslim.
Criticising the muslims for agreeing about this more then they agree about which people to kill is like saying "Man, atheists finally unite against Bush, but not for something like the lies he told about the war, but for something trivial like saying he thinks religious faith is necessary for morality."
Coldbourne, weren't there several other allegations about this from eyewitnesses that appeared outside the American press?
Philboid Studge
05-20-2005, 10:51 AM
Newsweek has retracted this article due to the fact that it was bullshit.
I don't think so. Newsweek's retraction came only after substantial pressure from the White House (a horrible state of affairs when information is utterly controlled by the people in power).
Bullshit? Desecration of the Koran to intimidate/humiliate prisoners as described by Newsweek is hardly an isolated incident. Similar accounts are surfacing from multiple sources. Anyway, given what we saw with our own eyes out of Abu Ghraib, does it really sound so far-fetched?
BadFish
05-20-2005, 11:34 AM
Newsweek has retracted this article due to the fact that it was bullshit.
I don't think so. Newsweek's retraction came only after substantial pressure from the White House (a horrible state of affairs when information is utterly controlled by the people in power).
Bullshit? Desecration of the Koran to intimidate/humiliate prisoners as described by Newsweek is hardly an isolated incident. Similar accounts are surfacing from multiple sources. Anyway, given what we saw with our own eyes out of Abu Ghraib, does it really sound so far-fetched?
Oh Please, when we start taking the heads off of prisoners, then i want to hear about abuse.
Philboid Studge
05-20-2005, 11:39 AM
Oh Please, when we start taking the heads off of prisoners, then i want to hear about abuse.
You may not realize that the people alleging Koran desecrations aren't al Qaeda or terrorists or insurgents or decapitators. They are freed prisoners who got caught up in the GWOT's round-up through no fault of their own. 'Nuther words, innocent people. Maybe you do realize it and don't care.
Little Earth Stamper
05-20-2005, 11:52 AM
Newsweek has retracted this article due to the fact that it was bullshit.
I don't think so. Newsweek's retraction came only after substantial pressure from the White House (a horrible state of affairs when information is utterly controlled by the people in power).
Bullshit? Desecration of the Koran to intimidate/humiliate prisoners as described by Newsweek is hardly an isolated incident. Similar accounts are surfacing from multiple sources. Anyway, given what we saw with our own eyes out of Abu Ghraib, does it really sound so far-fetched?
Oh Please, when we start taking the heads off of prisoners, then i want to hear about abuse.
Oh, yeah, that's a good argument; let me aply it to something else:
"Oh please, when I rape and kill a half dozen women, I want to hear about law-breaking. As it stands, I only raped one woman."
Yep, the moral logic is flawless.
BadFish
05-20-2005, 03:36 PM
I still dont have a problem with what was done in that prison.
BadFish
05-20-2005, 03:37 PM
I don't think so. Newsweek's retraction came only after substantial pressure from the White House (a horrible state of affairs when information is utterly controlled by the people in power).
Bullshit? Desecration of the Koran to intimidate/humiliate prisoners as described by Newsweek is hardly an isolated incident. Similar accounts are surfacing from multiple sources. Anyway, given what we saw with our own eyes out of Abu Ghraib, does it really sound so far-fetched?
Oh Please, when we start taking the heads off of prisoners, then i want to hear about abuse.
Oh, yeah, that's a good argument; let me aply it to something else:
"Oh please, when I rape and kill a half dozen women, I want to hear about law-breaking. As it stands, I only raped one woman."
Yep, the moral logic is flawless.
Well my statement wasn't made about anything else.
I was talking about the Prisoner abuse, not rape was i?
Philboid Studge
05-20-2005, 04:06 PM
I was talking about the Prisoner abuse, not rape was i?
Then why bring up beheadings? Not related to prisoner abuse.
I still dont have a problem with what was done in that prison.
You mean Abu Ghraib? You don't think we should abide by the Geneva Conventions? What about potential blowback? Like when US servicemen and women are taken prisoner. They're the ones who are going to suffer from the AG abuses. Or more immediately, those AG atrocities made the job US forces are trying to do in Iraq even more difficult than it already is. I mean, we should at least be pretending to care about the Iraqis, shouldn't we? And by the way, the abusive interrogations did little or nothing to elicit valuable information from the prisoners.
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