help me for lossing weight !

[darek_k]

hi everyone!
i am just looking for your advise .
i have been going to the gym and trying to eat well since january and its been going quite well. ive lost 7pounds so far making me 8stone 13pounds. i am 5f 7.5 ins so for my hight my weight is fine.
my only problem is i dont feel im seeing any results for all my hard work !
ive been going to the gym 4-5 times each week for an hour each time. ive been going to a body pump class once and the other times doing 25mins using the step master, running, cross training, bike, etc, and then doing ab stuff, squats, lunges and weights keeping my heart rate at 135bpm throughout.
my goal is to get down to a size 6-8, and i am currently a 11. the problem is, i can see my body is more tonned, but it isnt getting any smaller!
if anyone can suggest anything to help me meet my goal, it would be really great!

thankx

[Rhinoqulous]

How does this pertain to General Discussion about Atheism?

[Tenspace]

Two points: 1) exercise won't help you lose weight unless you also reduce your caloric intake. 2) The brain is adept at recognizing sudden changes, but not so good at recognizing changes over time. If you took a picture of yourself before you started your regimen, and compare that to a picture of yourself now, I think you would be more satisfied with your results.

If you want to reduce your size by such a large factor (11 to 6), then don't partake in exercises that build bulk, like weightlifting. Stay with the cardio and aerobic workouts.

Now, what does this have to do with atheism? :)

Tenspace

[PanAtheist]

Darek,

Firstly it sounds like you're doing pretty damn well!!!!

You sound like you have become awesomely fit!!!

As to your goals ...

Happily we have a friend here who is an expert on health and fitness.
His name is Jon Benson. You can visit him at allyourstrength.com (www.allyourstrength.com), and his user name here is "nutritionguy".

He'll probably be able to point you to a female expert as well.

I expect that they might ask for photos, with which they can assess your present state and direction, and how to go from here, (and also see whether your present goals are attainable.)

I have to disagree with Tenspace. Weights really burn energy like nothing else. Cardio plus weights = max fat loss.

Okay, what else?

It is the INTENSITY of aerobic workouts that burns fat ....
25 minutes means much lower intensity than, say 10.
I suggest doing shorter, more intense, aerobics.
And have bursts of extra-high intensity in them.

Also, if you can do intense aerobic exercise immediately after getting up (before breakfast) this is very successful at burning fat, because throughout the night the body has already been drawing on its reserves, and the body will then dig deep into those reserves if exercised, and so burn them off.

When I had to cycle 8 miles into work at 4am, I tell you, I got ripped in two days!!!!

For a similar reason, don't eat before bed. Have three hours between your last meal and bed.

Also, DONT have three square meals. Have half-sized meals, four-six times a day.
Big meals go straight to fat.

But really, go to the experts, the people with the experience of success, and who have wide experience.

Oh, and today I am using a fat-burner, and it is *really* working well (combined with exercise of course). There are loads on the market. I am using Hydroxycut.

Anyways, best of luck.
The best advice I can give is ENJOY!!

It is nice to meet a person who is in to exercise!!

[PanAtheist]

PS.
Rhino and Tenspace -

I suggested to Chris months ago that this forum's name be changed to simply "Atheism".
I had my reason. :D

Newbies are likely to mistake it for "General Discussion".

Especially when the "Open Mic and General Chat" forum, is hiding below the bottom of their screens!!!

However, the thread in which I made that suggestion, amongst a whole package of helpful and nuanced changes to boost this board's usability, was simply closed. (Despite it being packed full of practical wisdom, sensiblity, foresight, and brimming with excellence, humour, and pertinent nous). :D

I won't say I am wasted. But Rhino *probably* is!

[Just Add Fire]

well i'll continue the complaint of this not pertaining to atheism, but any way...if youre going to the gym 4-5 times a week, you might be losing fat and gaining muscle which everybody knows...muscle ways more than fat so you might have already exceeded your goal and gained muscle

[darek_k]

Hi guys
Thankx for your nice advise.i guess it's going to me help a lot."Tenspace" i am surely follow ur advice
see u

[Striver]

The title is "open mic and general chat". I don't see any reason to give the OP grief over posting about weight loss.


I'm into motivation, as far as feeling like you're getting results--you need a greater feedback mechanism. The scale isn't sensitive enough, so you'll need to create your own measures that provide you with more detail on how you're doing.

One thing you can do is have a notebook that details your exercise levels. Most of the equipment has things like "level 1, level 2, etc." So you can write down this information on the session:
Wed, May 25
Abs: 45lbs, 12 reps, 2 sets
Exercsise Bike: 30 minutes, level 4
Biceps: 50lbs, 12 reps, 2 sets
Triceps: 40lbs, 12 reps, 2 sets
consecutive workdays (excluding weekend break): 14

And so what happens is, when you get a lot of numbers like this, they change more often than just your weight. And so you get better feedback than if you only focused on a single factor. It's just like when you're leveling up with an RPG and you focus on the strength stat becuase it levels next, then you focus on the experience stat, then on the weapon and so on.

Psychologically, we do better when we have feed back that has more variability, but not so much that it seems like its out of control.

[Just Add Fire]

Abs: 45lbs, 12 reps, 2 sets
Exercsise Bike: 30 minutes, level 4
Biceps: 50lbs, 12 reps, 2 sets
Triceps: 40lbs, 12 reps, 2 sets
consecutive workdays (excluding weekend break): 14
if you are trying to build muscle as it sounds like from this advice above, you NEVER want to go consecutive days on the same part of the body, getting noticible muscles only happens when you rip your muscle tissue and let it heal itself and the scar tissue makes the muscle bigger, if you work on the same part of your body the next two days after working on it you are not helping it because you are not allowing it to heal properly

[Striver]

Abs: 45lbs, 12 reps, 2 sets
Exercsise Bike: 30 minutes, level 4
Biceps: 50lbs, 12 reps, 2 sets
Triceps: 40lbs, 12 reps, 2 sets
consecutive workdays (excluding weekend break): 14
if you are trying to build muscle as it sounds like from this advice above, you NEVER want to go consecutive days on the same part of the body, getting noticible muscles only happens when you rip your muscle tissue and let it heal itself and the scar tissue makes the muscle bigger, if you work on the same part of your body the next two days after working on it you are not helping it because you are not allowing it to heal properly
Fire is right. You don't want to train the same group consecutive days. I was refferring to consecutive days of workouts in general, but the way I wrote it, it sounds like you're lifting the same group every day.

[Just Add Fire]

damn right im right

[StillSurviving]

If you want to reduce your size by such a large factor (11 to 6), then don't partake in exercises that build bulk, like weightlifting. Stay with the cardio and aerobic workouts.

Tenspace
I hate reading garbage like this. The best way for someone really oversized to lose weight is to build as much muscle as they can. Adding muscle while eating a healthy, high protein diet consisting of fewer calories than you burn will increase your metabolism. Remember to sleep a lot, because that's when your muscle repairs itself. So many people are way too worried about bulking up... here's a secret: bulking up is really fucking hard. My friend Brendan started working out with me, trying to bulk up, and lost 30 lbs in 7 months. He probably lost 40 lbs of fat, and gained 10 lbs of muscle. Don't worry about muscle gains making you too big... it wont happen.

[Tenspace]

I stand corrected. Guess my mileage varies. :)

Ten

[StillSurviving]

It's a very common misconception, especially among women. Many women think they can't use low reps, because it will leave them with big muscles, which it wont. The other part of this is that people over-estimate the amount of muscle "big guys" or "thick guys" have and I am not talking about people who are obviously very fat. At 165 lbs, I could outlift my very large friends, one a big 240 lbs, and the other a fat 270 lbs. The point is, even at 240 lbs, this guy could add a bunch of muscle, and it wouldn't be the muscle that made him look big.

[Tenspace]

I got turned off to weightlifting when I was studying martial arts. The guys at my high school would all be bulking up, lifting the heaviest weights they could, while I was stretching my body for maximum flex and reach, and learning to focus energy. I tried working with weights, but found that it negatively affected my ability to relax my muscles (which is crucial in martial arts).

Now, I do use light hand weights and a gravity machine, but I'm older and trying to avoid manboobs. :D

Tenspace

[LogicMan]

Adding muscle while eating a healthy, high protein diet consisting of fewer calories than you burn will increase your metabolism. Remember to sleep a lot, because that's when your muscle repairs itself. So many people are way too worried about bulking up... here's a secret: bulking up is really fucking hard.
Beat me to it...right on target...especially the last part!!!!

You really need to make this a life style change. The longer you keep your body in a certain condition the easier it is to maintain that condition, or like most Yo Yo dieters, rivert back to their previous state. There is no temporary fix for your state of fitness.

getting noticible muscles only happens when you rip your muscle tissue and let it heal itself and the scar tissue makes the muscle bigger
You have this wrong! You work out under enough stress load and intensity to get the muscle cells to increase in size (the bodies natural response to such stress). You do not want to tear anything! Scar tissue reduces flexability as well as usability and such damage (though it can be somewhat mitagated by carefull surgery depending on location) is permanent.

[Just Add Fire]

sorry but here you are wrong...when you work out you are litterally ripping your muscles when they heal, they are bigger none of this "stress load and intensity" makes your muscles magically grow

[PanAtheist]

sorry but here you are wrong...when you work out you are litterally ripping your muscles when they heal, they are bigger none of this "stress load and intensity" makes your muscles magically grow
Just Add Fire : Well, you're right about it not happenning by magic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

However, I wonder where you get the confidence in your assertion that it's all done by "ripping"!!!???
Just exactly HOW might scientists have determined THAT!?
It SO sounds like a body-builder myth, and your confidence in it sounds funny. :)

Perhaps I am wrong - and I'd be delighted to find out the truth behind muscle anabolism. Please point me to the sources if you have them! Anyone?

As a biologist, I have some appreciation of the extra-ordinary capabilities of the biomechanisms running inside us, and I can see no reason whatever that "stress load and intensity" might not set off a biochemical chain of events that lead to increased muscle growth. Why on earth not?! It wouldn't be magic! It would be a marvellous causal chain of biochemical mechanics. Just like EVERYTHING ELSE that makes us work.

I occassionally get passionate about weight-lifting and muscle-building, and hit the gym passionately for a few weeks at a time.

In this experience that I have had, modest though it is, I have found that deep, satisfying, yet ENJOYABLE EXERTION in raising weights, has ALWAYS brought the best and biggest increase in muscle-mass for me (fed by LOTS of protein consumption).

And "Ripping" and "Tearing" has caused weeks of pain, and drop-out from training, and no advance at all. ALWAYS.

Just Add Fire : I say you ideas about this are WRONG! Totally! Heh! :D

[LogicMan]

sorry but here you are wrong...when you work out you are litterally ripping your muscles when they heal, they are bigger none of this "stress load and intensity" makes your muscles magically grow
Well I did a quick check to see how much more has been figured out about the nature of hypertrophy in skeletal muscles and there is still quite a bit of ambiguity.

The process is a triggered response to stress. There is no data to suggest that the muscles have to be ripped. I have read people asserting that micro tears occur, however it is not scar tissue that is the reason for the increase in size...see below. That said I will check more thoroughly as time permits and welcome the same from you.

Interesting links

"Satellite cells are muscle stem cells that are generally found in a quiescent, or dormant, state in close association with muscle fibers. Although sparsely distributed in postnatal muscle, they play an important role in regulating muscle growth by dividing and fusing with existing muscle fibers. The result is a net increase in the number of muscle fiber nuclei and hence, an increase in the growth potential of the fiber."
http://www.physiol.arizona.edu/PhysioSci/Allen.html

With this scar tissue and crystallization bulking in the muscles, tendons, and ligaments, there will be increased pain and lack of movement.
http://www.thewolfeclinic.com/deeptissue.html

Decent source for basics
http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/M/Muscles.html#Activation_of_Skeletal_Muscle

[Striver]

It's not that the muscles rip and tear, but when they are stressed, they take on more protein. If you literally ripped your muscles, you'd become very weak because muscle tissue doesn't grow back. The amount of cells you have as an adult are all the muscle cells you'll have for the rest of your life.

[ghoulslime]

hi everyone!
i am just looking for your advise .
i have been going to the gym and trying to eat well since january and its been going quite well. ive lost 7pounds so far making me 8stone 13pounds. i am 5f 7.5 ins so for my hight my weight is fine.
my only problem is i dont feel im seeing any results for all my hard work !
ive been going to the gym 4-5 times each week for an hour each time. ive been going to a body pump class once and the other times doing 25mins using the step master, running, cross training, bike, etc, and then doing ab stuff, squats, lunges and weights keeping my heart rate at 135bpm throughout.
my goal is to get down to a size 6-8, and i am currently a 11. the problem is, i can see my body is more tonned, but it isnt getting any smaller!
if anyone can suggest anything to help me meet my goal, it would be really great!

thankx
Pray to God for guidance! Our Father who art in heaven...hollow be thy name...give us not this day too much fucking cake...and so on...you get the idea...AAAAAAAMEN

[kool_alan]

hey darek
its kool ,you did lots of things for losing weight. i will advise you to try Xenical (http://www.drugdelivery.ca/s3729-s-XENICAL.aspx)
its effective . i got the result,it will surely help you.
God bless !!