Theist Contridictions

[Con Man]

Alright, I'm new here, and I don't know much about this site. But, my better feild is Bible contridictions, and basic Christian contridictions. I will post some eventually, but many of you probABly already know a lot of them.

Yay for manic hippies!


*EDIT*
Ok, some of my favorite ones happen to be from Matthew 10:mid 30s, where Jesus goes into a fit of rage, and kind of threatens that mosst sinners will have a wrath brought upon them greater then Sodom and Gomora:D

[Evil_Mage_Ra]

Here's a huge list of those: http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/inconsistencies.shtml

Admittedly, most of these seem trivial and nit-picky, but some of them are pretty big.

[SLINKY]

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/

Here are some more for you to look at. Wait long enough and you'll have to quit your job to get through them all. :lol:

[Amazonis]

Apparently the bible one some award for the 'worst written book of all time' due to the amount of contradictions it has in it (and the fact it was written by men who thought the earth was flat).

[peepnklown]

Evil Mage Ra – but when a “perfect” god was supposed to have divinely inspired the bible (basically his word) then you have to be “nit-picky” because it should be perfect.

[Evil_Mage_Ra]

Evil Mage Ra – but when a “perfect” god was supposed to have divinely inspired the bible (basically his word) then you have to be “nit-picky” because it should be perfect.
I mean, I'm willing to forgive little things like:

"NU 25:9 24,000 died in the plague.
1CO 10:8 23,000 died in the plague."

And other things of the sort that are basically counting errors.

[thomas]

Even if you were nit-picking, 1 Corinthians said 23k died in a single day, Numbers says 24k died in total. Contradiction ?

[Evil_Mage_Ra]

Even if you were nit-picking, 1 Corinthians said 23k died in a single day, Numbers says 24k died in total. Contradiction ?
Yes, but I find those kinds of contradictions less troublesome than:

"EX 20:13, DT 5:17, MK 10:19, LK 18:20, RO 13:9, JA 2:11 God prohibits killing.
GE 34:1-35:5 God condones trickery and killing.
EX 32:27, DT 7:2, 13:15, 20:1-18 God orders killing.
2KI 19:35 An angel of the Lord slaughters 185,000 men."

Plus, I should mention that whenever I see large, round figures like "24,000 deaths" I immediately assume that there's a bit of rounding off going on. For example, it's claimed that 6,000,000 Jews died in the Holocaust. Now, how likely is it that it's *exactly* 6,000,000 Jews? Not very. Yet I wouldn't claim the Holocaust didn't happen just because historical evidence suggests exactly 5,998,759 Jews were killed.

The only thing the "24,000 vs. 23,000 dead" contradiction proves is that the Bible can't be totally, 100%, error-free accurate. It should only be troublesome to the staunchest of fundamentalists.

[thomas]

Be accurate. The first verses prohibit murder not killing

Genesis 34 shows no indication of God condoning anything.
Exodus 32 and the deuteronomy quotes are war by a nation state not private killing.
2 Kings is God dispensing His justice, much like nation states hold the right to capital punishment

It may not be pretty but there is no contradiction here.

[HeWhoAsks]

Be accurate. The first verses prohibit murder not killing

Genesis 34 shows no indication of God condoning anything.
Exodus 32 and the deuteronomy quotes are war by a nation state not private killing.
2 Kings is God dispensing His justice, much like nation states hold the right to capital punishment

It may not be pretty but there is no contradiction here.
Thomas, would you say that there are absolutely no contradictions in the bible?

[thomas]

I don't know of any serious contradictions in the Bible. But there may be some. What irritates me is the parroting of silly sites like scepticsannotatedbible and the like, by people who've not bothered to take the time to investigate for themselves what the truth might be. (Not saying that happened here mind you). The main reason I jump on the "contradications" is to try and encourage people to think about how there may be more than one way to look at these issues.

[nvxplorer]

Plus, I should mention that whenever I see large, round figures like "24,000 deaths" I immediately assume that there's a bit of rounding off going on. For example, it's claimed that 6,000,000 Jews died in the Holocaust. Now, how likely is it that it's *exactly* 6,000,000 Jews? Not very. Yet I wouldn't claim the Holocaust didn't happen just because historical evidence suggests exactly 5,998,759 Jews were killed.

The only thing the "24,000 vs. 23,000 dead" contradiction proves is that the Bible can't be totally, 100%, error-free accurate. It should only be troublesome to the staunchest of fundamentalists.
Yes, it should be troublesome only to fundamentalists, but therein lies a contradiction of its own. If the Bible is the word of god, then it's not unreasonable to expect god to be accurate.

[nvxplorer]

I don't know of any serious contradictions in the Bible. But there may be some. What irritates me is the parroting of silly sites like scepticsannotatedbible and the like, by people who've not bothered to take the time to investigate for themselves what the truth might be. (Not saying that happened here mind you). The main reason I jump on the "contradications" is to try and encourage people to think about how there may be more than one way to look at these issues.
If there is more than one way to interpret god's word, what good is it? What purpose does the Truth serve if it is ambiguous? Indeed, if the Truth cannot be detrmined using the language given, it is no truth at all. If god has a Supreme Court to make these determinations, I'd appreciate a ruling on the matter.

[thomas]

I think there is only one correct way to interpret God's word, even if it's not always clear what the right answer is in all cases. But one principle to use would be that the interpretation should be consistent with all other scripture.

Additionally, we're left with two resources to assist us. The first is the church which has been the guardian of the message for 2000 years. It's not a completely reliable resource due to it being full of pesky sinners. The second is the Holy Spirit who interprets scripture for us.

[Evil_Mage_Ra]

Plus, I should mention that whenever I see large, round figures like "24,000 deaths" I immediately assume that there's a bit of rounding off going on. For example, it's claimed that 6,000,000 Jews died in the Holocaust. Now, how likely is it that it's *exactly* 6,000,000 Jews? Not very. Yet I wouldn't claim the Holocaust didn't happen just because historical evidence suggests exactly 5,998,759 Jews were killed.

The only thing the "24,000 vs. 23,000 dead" contradiction proves is that the Bible can't be totally, 100%, error-free accurate. It should only be troublesome to the staunchest of fundamentalists.
Yes, it should be troublesome only to fundamentalists, but therein lies a contradiction of its own. If the Bible is the word of god, then it's not unreasonable to expect god to be accurate.
Depends. Do theists see the writing of the Bible as God dictating to the writers exactly what He wants to say, or as God basically saying "I want you to write about 'such and such' event"?

[peepnklown]

god sent them a pamphlet in another language then told them to translate it and then write a general synopsis.



:lol:

[Rhinoqulous]

I don't know of any serious contradictions in the Bible. But there may be some.
Hey Thomas, I just read this (http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/quirinius.html) article on the contradiction between Mathew and Luke on the birth of Jesus. It's all about the time of a census that was supposed to have taken place at the time (which is why Mary and Joseph were going to Bethlehem). It's really interesting, but a bit long. Let me know what you think of it.

Rhinoq

[lee]

Hi Thomas, good to see you back, you just dropped out of sight from our previous discussion, maybe we can continue it on this topic, since it's closely related... Heres my question....

Is the bible directly influenced by god?

By DIRECTLY, I mean someone like an editor/proofreader rolled into one, if there is some discrepancy between what is going to be written, then this editor/proofreader steps in and says, that's wrong, change this and change that....

[Heather]

What I want to know is how, if the Bible is so infallible, God managed to create light (day 1) before he made light-producing objects (stars, day 4). Some may argue that atoms (photons) are all that is needed to produce light, or that there was some sort of artificial, makeshift light before the stars were created, but I don't see the logic behind that. After all, surely God knew that the sun would drive all the photosynthetic processes of the plants, and that the sun would be the driving force of energy for our solar system? So why ceate it on the fourth day? Why create plants (day 3) before creating the energy source for all living beings?

Let me guess...because thousands of years ago, people didn't understand how the world operated enough to create an accurate sequence of events for the creation of the universe.

Heather

[Little Earth Stamper]

Hey Thomas, how come in Matthew Christ says he is not here to change the least bit of the old laws, and that no one else should ignore them, but he then goes on to say that we shouldn't do that "eye for an eye" thing and that divorce shouldn't be legal even though Moses said it should be?

And I have to echo all the other people who wondered why god decided to be so vague.

[ghoulslime]

What I want to know is how, if the Bible is so infallible, God managed to create light (day 1) before he made light-producing objects (stars, day 4). Some may argue that atoms (photons) are all that is needed to produce light, or that there was some sort of artificial, makeshift light before the stars were created, but I don't see the logic behind that. After all, surely God knew that the sun would drive all the photosynthetic processes of the plants, and that the sun would be the driving force of energy for our solar system? So why ceate it on the fourth day? Why create plants (day 3) before creating the energy source for all living beings?

Let me guess...because thousands of years ago, people didn't understand how the world operated enough to create an accurate sequence of events for the creation of the universe.

Heather
I'd say he brought in boom lighting like they do on the movie sets here in Hollywood. Does it say anything in the Bible about boom lighting? :D

[ghoulslime]

How Did Judas Die?

Judas Hanged Himself

Early in the morning, all the chief priests and the elders of the people came to the decision to put Jesus to death. They bound him, led him away and handed him over to Pilate, the governor. When Judas, who had betrayed him, saw that Jesus was condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty silver coins to the chief priests and the elders. "I have sinned," he said, "for I have betrayed innocent blood." "What is that to us?" they replied. "That's your responsibility." So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself. (Matthew 27:1-5 NIV)

Judas Didn't Hang Himself--He Died from a Fall

In those days Peter stood up among the believers (a group numbering about a hundred and twenty) and said, "Brothers, the Scripture had to be fulfilled which the Holy Spirit spoke long ago through the mouth of David concerning Judas, who served as guide for those who arrested Jesus--he was one of our number and shared in this ministry." With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out.

It is amusing to observe how Christians try to rationalize their way around this one.

One of the justifications for this discrepancy is that later editors of the bible were more concerned with not offending anyone by presenting the traditional beliefs of just one group, so they had to include the beliefs of different Christian sects.

Some Christian apologetics actually think it’s a good excuse to blame editorial mistakes. Ahahahaha! These jokers just pull their pants down and beg to have it shoved in.

Another typical Christian justification for the contradiction is that Matthew may have received second-hand the story about Judas hanging himself.

Doesn’t this suggest that the content of the bible is coming from some sheep herder in the field instead of god? - Unless god is giving Mathew the wrong account one morning when he has a hangover or something.

Another common Christian flim-flam explanation for the two differing accounts is that Judas hanged himself and then later fell from the cliff, where he hanged himself, and burst open on the rocks below. Nice try at stretching the context, but it ain’t gonna smooth this big old bump down sufficiently for suspension of disbelief!

One account says he killed himself by hanging. One says he burst open in a field. This isn’t a fucking Road-Runner cartoon. This is the bible.

Either one Bible passage is contradicting another or the Bible is not accurate in it’s account of the truth. Either way, it is flawed.

P.S. Mithraism has nothing to do with it.

[ghoulslime]

The Bible says it is good to drink wine.
The Bible says it is bad to drink wine.

The bible says both of these things numerous times.

This must have been written when god was attending Alcoholics Anonymous and couldn’t decide what the hell he should do.


http://ravingatheist.com/forum/img/uploads/alcoholic.jpg

[ghoulslime]

This is one dysfunctional god! Make up your goddamn mind, you alchoholic son-of-a-bitch! Do you want people to go to hell or not?

1 Tim.2:3-4
"God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved."

2 Pet.3:9
"The Lord is ... not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

Pr.16:4
"The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil."

Jn.12:40
"He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them."

Rom.9:18
"Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth."

2 Th.2:11-12
"God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned."

[ghoulslime]

And an angry God sometimes, and a merciful god sometimes! How long does god’s anger last? It really depends on what he is drinking any given morning.

Mal.1:4
"The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever."

Ps.30:5
"For his anger endureth but a moment."

Jer.3:12
"I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger for ever."

Mic.7:18
"He retaineth not his anger forever, because he delighteth in mercy."

Num.32:13
"And the Lord's anger was kindled against Israel, and he made them wander in the wilderness for forty years."

Jer.17:4
"Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn for ever."

Mt.25:41
"Depart from me, he cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels."

Mt.25:46
"And these shall go away into everlasting punishment."

[ghoulslime]

How many languages did GOD create? Babel Babel Babel :P


Gen.11:1
"And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech."

Gen.11:6-9
"And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one
language.... Go to, let us go down, and there confound their
language, that they may not understand one another's speech.... Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth:"

Gen.10:5
"By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands, every one after his tongue."

Gen.10:20
"These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues."

Gen.10:31
"These are the sons of Shem, after their families, after their tongues."

[ghoulslime]

Ah, Jesus, what was it I should I take with me? Doh!

Mt.10:10
"Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purse, Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves."
Lk.9:3
"And he said unto them, Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece."
Mk.6:8-9
"And commanded them that they should take nothing for their journey, save a staff only; no scrip, no bread, no money in their purse: But be shod with sandals."

The word of god isn’t very clear to somebody.

[ghoulslime]

Am I supposed to sacrifice animals to get atonement for my sins or not? Come on, never-changing GOD, make up your silly mind!


Lev.17:11
"I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."

Num.15:27-28
And if any soul sin through ignorance, then he shall bring a she goat of the first year for a sin offering. And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before the LORD, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.

Num.29:5
"And one kid of the goats for a sin offering: to make an atonement for you."

Heb.10:4
"For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins."

Heb.10:11
"And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins."


http://ravingatheist.com/forum/img/uploads/ElmerFudd2.jpg

Be very very quiet! GOD wants me to kill wabbits!

[ghoulslime]

Should Christians respond to Ghoulslime - who is clearly a fool?

PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

Jesus Sweater-Knitting Christ! I feel wise in my own conceit!

:lol:

[Tenspace]

How many languages did GOD create? Babel Babel Babel :P


Gen.11:1
"And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech."

Gen.11:6-9
"And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one
language.... Go to, let us go down, and there confound their
language, that they may not understand one another's speech.... Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth:"

Gen.10:5
"By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands, every one after his tongue."

Gen.10:20
"These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues."

Gen.10:31
"These are the sons of Shem, after their families, after their tongues."
Stop it Ghoulslime, you're killing me. :D Hot Coffee on my hands and keyboard. Jeez...

:D:D:D

[Evil_Mage_Ra]

Should Christians respond to Ghoulslime - who is clearly a fool?

PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

Jesus Sweater-Knitting Christ! I feel wise in my own conceit!

:lol:
Damn. A contradiction in the very next verse!!!

[thomas]

I don't know of any serious contradictions in the Bible. But there may be some.
Hey Thomas, I just read this (http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/quirinius.html) article on the contradiction between Mathew and Luke on the birth of Jesus. It's all about the time of a census that was supposed to have taken place at the time (which is why Mary and Joseph were going to Bethlehem). It's really interesting, but a bit long. Let me know what you think of it.

Rhinoq
I agree its long and interesting. I don't have a good way to judge its quality.

[thomas]

Hi Thomas, good to see you back, you just dropped out of sight from our previous discussion, maybe we can continue it on this topic, since it's closely related... Heres my question....

Is the bible directly influenced by god?

By DIRECTLY, I mean someone like an editor/proofreader rolled into one, if there is some discrepancy between what is going to be written, then this editor/proofreader steps in and says, that's wrong, change this and change that....
No, I don't think it is directly influenced in that sense.

[thomas]

What I want to know is how, if the Bible is so infallible, God managed to create light (day 1) before he made light-producing objects (stars, day 4). Some may argue that atoms (photons) are all that is needed to produce light, or that there was some sort of artificial, makeshift light before the stars were created, but I don't see the logic behind that. After all, surely God knew that the sun would drive all the photosynthetic processes of the plants, and that the sun would be the driving force of energy for our solar system? So why ceate it on the fourth day? Why create plants (day 3) before creating the energy source for all living beings?

Let me guess...because thousands of years ago, people didn't understand how the world operated enough to create an accurate sequence of events for the creation of the universe.
Lurker has got a pretty decent explanation of why the order is OK the way it is. Myself, I think that the story is a myth ( but God inspired ) and that the order doesn't matter. It's not supposed to be a science lesson, just a way of saying that God is the creator and sustainer of the earth

[thomas]

Should Christians respond to Ghoulslime - who is clearly a fool?

PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

Jesus Sweater-Knitting Christ! I feel wise in my own conceit!

:lol:
Damn. A contradiction in the very next verse!!!
Isn't this a deliberate paradox. Do you really suppose that the author forgot what he wrote in the previous verse ?

[Evil_Mage_Ra]

Should Christians respond to Ghoulslime - who is clearly a fool?

PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

Jesus Sweater-Knitting Christ! I feel wise in my own conceit!

:lol:
Damn. A contradiction in the very next verse!!!
Isn't this a deliberate paradox. Do you really suppose that the author forgot what he wrote in the previous verse ?
What do you suppose it means then?

[thomas]

How many languages did GOD create? Babel Babel Babel :P


Gen.11:1
"And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech."

Gen.11:6-9
"And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one
language.... Go to, let us go down, and there confound their
language, that they may not understand one another's speech.... Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth:"

Gen.10:5
"By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands, every one after his tongue."

Gen.10:20
"These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues."

Gen.10:31
"These are the sons of Shem, after their families, after their tongues."
I don't get the problem here. What do you think is a contradiction ? Are you assuming that the stories in Genesis are chronological ?

[thomas]

Ah, Jesus, what was it I should I take with me? Doh!

Mt.10:10
"Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purse, Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves."
Lk.9:3
"And he said unto them, Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece."
Mk.6:8-9
"And commanded them that they should take nothing for their journey, save a staff only; no scrip, no bread, no money in their purse: But be shod with sandals."

The word of god isn’t very clear to somebody.
And is there a good explanation for these differences other than some common oral tradition ? Would you say that on this evidence that the authors of Matthew, Mark and Luke had some knowledge of a real, historical common event, even if it was recollected with minor differences ?

[Con Man]

Gen.11:1
"And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech."
Yay, a contridiction all in one verse!

Earleir, people were talking about a nitpicky god, for that I point towards Leviticus, that is the most specific, down to detail thing I've read in a while! And all this time, I thoguht their god didn't condone animal sacrifice!

[thomas]

PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
What do you suppose it means then?
Something along the lines of "There are a couple of ways it might turn out if you respond to a fool using foolishness. You run the risk of looking like a fool yourself, but you may be able to point out to him how foolish he is."

Now, do you still really think the author forgot what he wrote in the previous verse ?

[Lurker]

Not to mention that a Proverb is a generalized truth so answering a fool according to his folly might not produce the stated results. It does seem to hold true on this forum. :D

[Con Man]

I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy (JER. 13:14)
The Lord is very pitiful and of tender mercy. (JAMES 5:11)
For his mery shall endureth forever. (1 CHRON. 16:34)

[thomas]

Gen.11:1
"And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech."
Yay, a contridiction all in one verse!
What's the contradiction ? I don't see one ?

[thomas]

No contradiction here. You must read in context to make sense of the Bible.

I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy (JER. 13:14)
Ah, the follow on from the "Israel is like God's underpants" prophecy. In context, this is a prophecy of God bringing about the defeat of the Israelites and the destruction of Jerusalem. It's an accurate description of what actually happened. God, showed the Israelites mercy and compassion many times over, but they always turned away from Him, and this was the final result. God is merciful and God is just.

The Lord is very pitiful and of tender mercy. (JAMES 5:11)
This is the end of a passage where James is encouraging the Church despite the fact that it is being persecuted and reminding them that God will bring them through that persecution because of his mercy, to those faithful believers.

For his mercy shall endureth forever. (1 CHRON. 16:34)
This is a song sung by the Israelites when David returns the Ark of the Covenant to the temple. It's clearly poetic in content and celebrates the evident mercy and faithfulness shown by God to the Isrealites to that point.

[Evil_Mage_Ra]

PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
What do you suppose it means then?
Something along the lines of "There are a couple of ways it might turn out if you respond to a fool using foolishness. You run the risk of looking like a fool yourself, but you may be able to point out to him how foolish he is."

Now, do you still really think the author forgot what he wrote in the previous verse ?
I just thought it was a nonsensical statement. Like the author's confused as to what he's trying to say.

[Con Man]

Thomas, you're first 2 explanations don't seem to go together. And geuss what, you're wrong, this god was talking about the Amaleks when it was speaking of destruction and cruel unmerciful deaths. Does that mean the only way to not have the wrath of god brought upon me is by being a good Christian? And what defines goo? What defines a Christian?

[ghoulslime]

Ah, Jesus, what was it I should I take with me? Doh!

Mt.10:10
"Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purse, Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves."
Lk.9:3
"And he said unto them, Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece."
Mk.6:8-9
"And commanded them that they should take nothing for their journey, save a staff only; no scrip, no bread, no money in their purse: But be shod with sandals."

The word of god isn’t very clear to somebody.
And is there a good explanation for these differences other than some common oral tradition ? Would you say that on this evidence that the authors of Matthew, Mark and Luke had some knowledge of a real, historical common event, even if it was recollected with minor differences ?
Actually, I have to agree with you on this one. I would say this discrepancy is due to editorial oversight rather than differing versions of events – a good example of the Bible’s inaccuracies rather then contradiction.

[ghoulslime]

Should Christians respond to Ghoulslime - who is clearly a fool?

PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

Jesus Sweater-Knitting Christ! I feel wise in my own conceit!

:lol:
Damn. A contradiction in the very next verse!!!
Isn't this a deliberate paradox. Do you really suppose that the author forgot what he wrote in the previous verse ?
Very good, Thomas! Know thy enemy!

[ghoulslime]

Gen.11:1
"And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech."
Yay, a contridiction all in one verse!
What's the contradiction ? I don't see one ?
It is not self-contradicting, but it contradicts truth, doesn't it? :/

[Con Man]

Exactly

[thomas]

Thomas, you're first 2 explanations don't seem to go together.
Should I just guess or are you going to tell me why you think that ?

And geuss what, you're wrong, this god was talking about the Amaleks when it was speaking of destruction and cruel unmerciful deaths.
I don't think Jeremiah talks about the Amalekites even once. Why do you think he does ? I could be wrong, but would be interested to learn.

Does that mean the only way to not have the wrath of god brought upon me is by being a good Christian? And what defines goo? What defines a Christian?
What it means is that your claimed contradiction isn't a contradiction at all.

[thomas]

Yay, a contridiction all in one verse!
What's the contradiction ? I don't see one ?
It is not self-contradicting, but it contradicts truth, doesn't it? :/
It might and it might not. Was there any point at which the earth had a common language do you think ? Even if not the whole earth then how about the part known to the writer of this part of Genesis ?

Actually, I really think this is a myth, an explanation of an ancient people of why there are multiple languages in the world.

[Con Man]

Thomas, my apologies, I had the wrong verse in mind. I was thinking more along the lines of

1Sa 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.


1Sa 15:4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.


1Sa 15:5 And Saul came to a city of Amalek, and laid wait in the valley.

[thomas]

OK, so tell me, are you giving up on your prior claim for a contradiction in Jeremiah, 1 Chronicles and James, or do you still want to persue that one ?

[Con Man]

Yes, I do. If the god being reffered to here "Has mery that endureth forever" (1 Chornicles 16:34), then why does he get Saul and Judah to gather a 210,000 man army, and destroy the Amaleks and their city? Doesn't it mention somewhere that their lord loves all?

[thomas]

So, for the purpose of clarity, before I respond, you are no longer claiming that James, Jeremiah and 1 Chron is a contradiction, but you are now claiming that 1 Chron 16:34 and 1 Sam 15:3-5 are contradictory ?

[Con Man]

I am saying that

The Lord is very pitiful and of tender mercy. (JAMES 5:11)
For his mery shall endureth forever. (1 CHRON. 16:34)

is a contridiction of

1Sa 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

Since the verse from James and the verse from 1 Chron show that their lord is merciful, pitiful, and so on, but then the lord, for chronology's sake, tells the Jews to destroy the Ameleks down to the last. Why then is he so merciful and pitiful when centuries ealier he ordered the destruction of a civilization?

[thomas]

Still no contradiction here. You must read in context to make sense of the Bible.

1Sa 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
This is a prophecy of God bringing about the defeat of the Amalekites. It's an accurate description of what actually happened. God, showed the Amalekites mercy and compassion many times over, but they always turned away from Him or ignored Him, and this was the final result. God is merciful and God is just.

The Lord is very pitiful and of tender mercy. (JAMES 5:11)
This is the end of a passage where James is encouraging the Church despite the fact that it is being persecuted and reminding them that God will bring them through that persecution because of his mercy, to those faithful believers.

For his mercy shall endureth forever. (1 CHRON. 16:34)
This is a song sung by the Israelites when David returns the Ark of the Covenant to the temple. It's clearly poetic in content and celebrates the evident mercy and faithfulness shown by God to the Isrealites to that point.

You are trying to equate history with letters of encouragement with poetry, no wonder you come up with contradications when you neglect to read using common sense.

[Little Earth Stamper]

Yes, the suckling infants had dozens and dozens of chances to turn to god, yet they steadfastly remained heathens. Also, the animals worshipped Molech, and routinely sacrificed their calves to him, so they deserved to be killed too.

[peepnklown]

Infants 2,000 plus years ago were major heathens. They would worship the animals and basically make the animals believe they were gods so yeah, God had to kill them, kill them all!

[psyadam]

Should Christians respond to Ghoulslime - who is clearly a fool?

PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

Jesus Sweater-Knitting Christ! I feel wise in my own conceit!

:lol:
That certainly does sound funny, mostly because the point the author was trying to get across used those particular words. I looked it up in my bible though and found a reference to Matthew 16:1-4. I looked at those verses and it talked about the Pharasees wanting a sign, and that were being hypocrits.

So Jesus made a short analogy to them about how they would claim a red sky would be both good and bad whether. So I guess the verses make a little more sense after reading that, (ie think of a clever analogy if you meet up with hypocrites--or if one doesn't come to you just go away or something), but I don't know if that's really what the moral of the story was or what the heck. Anyway, sorry.

[honeybadger]

"But, my better feild is Bible contridictions, and basic Christian contridictions."

they're endless, aren't they?

[WigWam]

I had a big post to put here, but I decided it may be best in its own thread.

[vheltrite]

big???