What Are Your Favorite Movies?

[MrsMoe]

Amadeus
Princess Bride
Napolean Dynamite
Legend
Run Lola Run
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Neverending Story
Stand By Me
Shawshank Redemption
The Green Mile
The Godfather
Donnie Darko
Lord of the Rings
The Blue Lagoon
Hero
Indiana Jones
American Beauty
The Red Violin

[ocmpoma]

Casablanca is #1 on my list, followed by the Indiana Jones series and any good Shakespeare movies (still waiting for Brannagh's Hamlet on DVD).

[Rhinoqulous]

Damn, this is a hard one for me. I watch 3-5 movies a day, so what's my favorite changes on a weekly basis.

Soooooo, let's see, this week some good movies I've seen are:

Meet John Doe (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0033891/?fr=c2l0ZT1kZnxteD0yMHxsbT01MDB8dHQ9MXxmYj11fHBuPT B8cT1tZWV0IGpvaG4gZG9lfGh0bWw9MXxubT0x;fc=1;ft=21)
The Stranger (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0038991/?fr=c2l0ZT1kZnxteD0yMHxsbT01MDB8dHQ9MXxmYj11fHBuPT B8cT1UaGUgU3RyYW5nZXJ8aHRtbD0xfG5tPTE_;fc=1;ft=138 ;fm=1)
A Walk In The Sun (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0038235/?fr=c2l0ZT1kZnxteD0yMHxsbT01MDB8dHQ9MXxmYj11fHBuPT B8cT1BIFdhbGsgaW4gdGhlIFN1bnxodG1sPTF8bm09MQ__;fc= 1;ft=20;fm=1)
The Life Aquatic (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0362270/?fr=c2l0ZT1kZnxteD0yMHxsbT01MDB8dHQ9MXxmYj11fHBuPT B8cT1UaGUgTGlmZSBBcXVhdGljfGh0bWw9MXxubT0x;fc=1;ft =20)
V (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085106/?fr=c2l0ZT1kZnxteD0yMHxsbT01MDB8dHQ9MXxmYj11fHBuPT B8cT1WfGh0bWw9MXxubT0x;fc=2;ft=17;fm=1)

And that is some of the better stuff I've watched in the last few days. As for favorite movie ever, it depends what my mood is. I'd say Citizen Kane (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0033467/?fr=c2l0ZT1kZnxteD0yMHxsbT01MDB8dHQ9MXxmYj11fHBuPT B8cT1DaXRpemVuIGthbmV8aHRtbD0xfG5tPTE_;fc=1;ft=20; fm=1) is probably the best film ever made, but I don't know if I'd call it my favorite. Shaolin Soccer (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0286112/?fr=c2l0ZT1kZnxteD0yMHxsbT01MDB8dHQ9MXxmYj11fHBuPT B8cT1TaGFvbGluIFNvY2NhcnxodG1sPTF8bm09MQ__;fc=1;ft =21;fm=1) is one of the funniest movies I've seen in the last few years. I'm a big fan of Clint Eastwood (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000142/?fr=c2l0ZT1kZnxteD0yMHxsbT01MDB8dHQ9MXxmYj11fHBuPT B8cT1DbGludCBFYXN0d29vZHxodG1sPTF8bm09MQ__;fc=1;ft =20;fm=1), as an actor and a director (Mystic River, Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil, Unforgiven, etc., etc.).

How could I forget 39 Steps (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0026029/?fr=c2l0ZT1kZnxteD0yMHxsbT01MDB8dHQ9MXxmYj11fHBuPT B8cT0zOSBTdGVwcywgVGhlIHxodG1sPTF8bm09MQ__;fc=1;ft =20;fm=1)? I just finished watching it an hour ago.

[WITHTEETH]

Army of Darkness -
The Matrix - Plato's cave theme, any of you recognize?
Star Wars Empire Strike Back
Clockwork Orange
Kill Bill
Blow
Team America: World Police
I Love Huckabees - Existentism movie, great!
Brave Heart

[Tenspace]

Best movie ever: Blazing Saddles
Snatch
Fifth Element
Lone Star State of Mind (Best redneck movie ever... 'xcept Jessco White, The Dancing Outlaw (http://www.dancingoutlaw.com/index.aspx))
Kill Bill 1&2
Any Monty Python movie
Hitchhiker's Guide
Team America, definitely! (Can't wait for the DVD)
The Ninth Configuration (Stacy Keach, mental asylum, generals and astronauts, philosophy, awesome flick)

And the worst movie I've ever seen? "Robo Vampire" (http://r0d.oracleswar.com/reviews/robovampire.html) - complete with bunny-hopping vampire ninjas, drug lords, and a cyborg. Must be seen to be believed.

Tenspace

[LogicMan]

Hombre
3 Days of the Condor
Last of the Mohicans
(I think this was from the 50s or early sixties) They All Talked

second tier

The Last Samurai
Big Trouble in Little China
Always
Ground Hog Day
Gross Point Blank
yada yada........

[DMofD&D]

#1: Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King \
#2: Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers }--They just kept gettin' better and better
#3: Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring /
#4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 In order of release: Star Wars -- Weeeee!
#10: Second Hand Lions -- Loads of fun!
#11: Forest Gump -- Not bad.
#12: Blazing Saddles -- See above.
#13: Airforce 1 -- Excellent!

Hated Movies:
#1, 2, 3: Harry Potter -- What the hell were they thinking!? Did they even read the book(s)?
#4: Dungeons & Dragons -- Put me off the game for two weeks!
#5: The Last Star Fighter -- Totaly unrealistic, and I'm not talking about the SFX.
#6+: Most Modern Disney Movies -- Exception(s): Freaky Friday, Fantasia 2000.

[WITHTEETH]

The last star fighter was cool if you were 7 yrs old!

[Nicole]

It totally depends on my mood but these are a few movies I'll stop flicking channels for;

Fifth element (art in motion and music, not to mention costume design)
Roman Holiday (Audrey Hepburn is classic)
Snatch (I have no idea what Brad Pitt was saying most of the time but it was damn funny)
Lock Stock and Smoking Barrel (Most of the same actors as Snatch and also directed by Guy Ritchie)
Apollo 13 (fuels my childhood dream to be an astronaut)
Original Star Wars and Indiana Jones (again with the childhood thing)
Aliens (all of them because she kicks ass and I couldn't sleep for days after watching any of them)
Pitchblack (not original story but good characterization, the sequal sucked)

I'm going to see Sin City this weekend so I'll get back to you on that one.

[MrsMoe]

Best movie ever: Blazing Saddles
I tried watching, and I know it's a satire, but I can't handle the mock racisim. It just makes me feel so uncomfortable.

[Philboid Studge]

Every so often I try to come with a top ten list of fave flicks, but it ain't possible. There are probably 50 in my pantheon, and they cannot be rated in descending or ascending order because they are so disparate. How can I compare, say, Yojimbo to Godfather 2? Here are ten (in alphabetical order) that did not fail me as pure, unadulterated entertainment:

Alien
Casablanca
Diva
Empire Strikes Back
The Exorcist
Galaxy Quest
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Goodfellas
Jaws
Robocop

P.S. In a couple hours I'm off to see War of the Worlds. I'll let youse know if Tom Cruise defeats Xenu or simply to decides to worship him.

[Tenspace]

Best movie ever: Blazing Saddles
I tried watching, and I know it's a satire, but I can't handle the mock racisim. It just makes me feel so uncomfortable.
I guess being raised a Jew in the South hardened me. :)

Ten

[Nicole]

I don't know how I could have forgotten these;

African Queen (Katheren Hepburn kicks ass)
Chocolate ('cause well..chocolate and Johnny Dep)

The whole Blazing Saddles thing didn't work for me either.

[Tenspace]

I don't know how I could have forgotten these;

African Queen (Katheren Hepburn kicks ass)
Chocolate ('cause well..chocolate and Johnny Dep)

The whole Blazing Saddles thing didn't work for me either.
Maybe it's a guy thing.

Do you ladies like any Mel Brooks movies? The Producers, maybe? History of the World?

[Rhinoqulous]

The whole Blazing Saddles thing didn't work for me either.
Maybe it's a guy thing.

Do you ladies like any Mel Brooks movies? The Producers, maybe? History of the World?
I got yo back on Brooks, Ten. I keep hearing rumors from time to time that he's thinking about making Space Balls 3: The Search for Space Balls 2. :P

[Rhinoqulous]

Every so often I try to come with a top ten list of fave flicks, but it ain't possible. There are probably 50 in my pantheon, and they cannot be rated in descending or ascending order because they are so disparate. How can I compare, say, Yojimbo to Godfather 2? Here are ten (in alphabetical order) that did not fail me as pure, unadulterated entertainment:

Alien
Casablanca
Diva
Empire Strikes Back
The Exorcist
Galaxy Quest
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Goodfellas
Jaws
Robocop

P.S. In a couple hours I'm off to see War of the Worlds. I'll let youse know if Tom Cruise defeats Xenu or simply to decides to worship him.
Hey, let me know if WotW sucks or not. I'm a bit leary.

Good to see another Kurosawa fan. Shichinin No Samurai (The Seven Samurai) is one of my favorite flicks. Also nice to see Galaxy Quest, I think it's an underrated comedy.

[Philboid Studge]

I like Sanjuro almost as much as Yojimbo. And 7 Samarai has some of the most dramatic -- dare I say it, awesome -- scenes ever put to film.

Re Galaxy Q: My fave line is when Sam Rockwell is trying to help Tim Allen, who's being chased by the rock monster on the planet below: "I know! You construct a weapon. Look around, can you form some sort of rudimentary lathe?"

[DMofD&D]

Apollo 13
AHA! I knew there was one I was missing. A13 was awesome. Did you know that they filmed the crew in actual 0G?

[alaspooryorick]

Good to see another Kurosawa fan
I like Throne of Blood best, as far as Kurasawa goes. Rashoman was also good.

And I personally love Mel Brooks (and am female). Spaceballs, High Anxiety, Young Frankenstein, Men in Tights, etc. are all great. Blazing Saddles is funny, but not my favorite of his.

My tastes vary, but some of my favorites in no partiular order:
Casablanca (the best written film ever)
Indiana Jones trilogy
Mr. Smith Goes to Washington
Star Wars trilogy
Roman Holiday
Spider-Man and X-Men movies were enjoyable, still need to see the new Batman
Forrest Gump
Rear Window
Holiday
It Happened One Night
Witness

Best movie I saw recently, Million Dollar Baby. Best movie I saw ever, I'll second the nomination for Citizen Kane.

[Jennifer]

2001 A Space Odyssey
Aliens
Amelie
Bambi
Blues Brothers
Carrie
China Town
Chocolate
Dinner with Andre
E.T.
Empire Strikes Back (I never get tired of watching it)
Groundhog Day
Lord of the Rings
Mars Attacks
Mathilda
Napoleon Dynamite
Once Upon a Time in the West
Pale Rider
Paris Texas
Quest For Fire
Raise the Red Lantern
The Good the Bad and The Ugly
The Princess Bride
The Witches of Eastwick
The Wizard of Oz
Toy Story
While You Were Sleeping

…maybe it would be easier if I made a list of movies I don’t like

[Rhinoqulous]

The Last Samurai
"The Last Samurai, with Tom Cruse. Give me a break. I've got a movie for you Hollywood. It's called The Last N***er on Earth, staring Tom Hanks." - Paul Mooney (writer for Richard Pryor, and contributor to Chapelle's Show)

[Jennifer]

You know, I forgot
Rear Window
Vertigo
The Rope


Also, and I know this crowd will laugh, but I love the oldest version of "Christmas Carol" with Barrymore. Great Movie.

[Rhinoqulous]

The Matrix - Plato's cave theme, any of you recognize?
If you're interested in some of the philosophical themes in The Matrix, there's a book you might enjoy, The Matrix and Philosophy (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/081269502X/qid=1120243737/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/102-6161477-7294542?v=glance&s=books&n=507846).

Personally, I hated the movie. Just fucking awful. I'd list it on my 10 worst list. But that's just me. :P

Rhinoq

[Tenspace]

New avatar rhinoq? What happened to the whiskers? :)

[Rhinoqulous]

What's wrong, don't like my duck-rabbit?

I like to change my avatar about every month. Keeps things fresh, cause you know, I likes to keep it real, livin' on the mean streets of Fargo an' all. :D

Oh, and in reality, I still have my whiskers. I'm a modern day Samson; if I shave, my IQ goes down.

Rhinoq

[Tenspace]

Ah, I thought it was the Eye of Horus The Duck... or something. :)

[snap crafter]

Ya know, No one ever asks what everyone's favorite book is, it's just not contemporary.

My favorite movie series:
Nightmare on elm street (first 3, got silly at the end)
Friday the 13th (First 4, same reason)
Star wars (the original 3, the newer episodes were all about the song and dance, not the story.)
Star trek (any)
Anything by George Romero (so lookin' forward to land of the dead)

Real movies:
Night of the Creeps
Tremors
Farenhiet 9/11
The guyver (silly I know)
The ring (even though it didn't make sense)
Final Destination (not the second one)

Anime:
Akira
X
Ninja scrolls
Hellsing(I know it's not a movie but it's just so damned good)
Vampire Hunter D
Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust
Blood: The last vampire

Movies I hated so bad you can't see it:
Vampires vs. Zombies
Queen of the Damned (damn goth movie ruined the book)
Legally blonde (and anything else with a woman as the heroin and isn't a horror movie.)

[Rhinoqulous]

Ya know, No one ever asks what everyone's favorite book is, it's just not contemporary.
So, what's your favorite book?



Anime:
Akira
Have you seen Katsuhiro Ôtomo's Metropolis? 30's style animation, and the musical score is amazing. Also, have you seen Lain (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0500092/?fr=c2l0ZT1kZnxteD0yMHxsbT01MDB8dHQ9MXxmYj11fHBuPT B8cT1MYWlufGh0bWw9MXxubT0x;fc=21;ft=21;fm=1)? It's not very action packed, but it's confusing as hell (which I like).

[snap crafter]

To be honest my anime opportunities have been nile, I did like metropolis though, thought it creative.

[Nicole]

I don't know how I could have forgotten these;

African Queen (Katheren Hepburn kicks ass)
Chocolate ('cause well..chocolate and Johnny Dep)

The whole Blazing Saddles thing didn't work for me either.
Maybe it's a guy thing.

Do you ladies like any Mel Brooks movies? The Producers, maybe? History of the World?
Not too crazy about Mel Brooks. I get it and when I watch it, it's funny but it won't stick with me....well, except Space Balls.

[Nicole]

You know, I forgot
Rear Window
Vertigo
The Rope


Also, and I know this crowd will laugh, but I love the oldest version of "Christmas Carol" with Barrymore. Great Movie.
I'm not laughing....I love the original Miracle on 34th Street.

[LogicMan]

The Last Samurai
"The Last Samurai, with Tom Cruse. Give me a break. I've got a movie for you Hollywood. It's called The Last N***er on Earth, staring Tom Hanks." - Paul Mooney (writer for Richard Pryor, and contributor to Chapelle's Show)
:lol:

Well I guess I could let myself get defensive here but ...ehh. I will try to explain.

Here is the hook; I strive to live as morally correct as I can based on objective standards. At different times in my life (pretty much when I was younger) I have thought about being a cop. I ruled this out on the potential (garaunteed) for moral contradiction. I have also watched with great curiosity, people who find themselves in moral contradiction (or moral chaos), and noted the psychological impact. So how does this pertain to the movie. Though certainly not a new theme (guilty conscience of a soldier), it is a strong moral component. Films that have a strong moral component get my attention. Even sometimes when it is not contextually accurate through and through.
Finally as an individualist I often find dealing with morally ambiguous people to be exhausting. Unfortunately I have, in my life, seen a lot of negative (immoral) behavior in people and watched as they attempted to rationalize it and even seek a consensus from those around them as a means of justifying the egregious behavior or action. When I saw the film I felt a metaphoric connection with the main character's disgust with his superior officer and with the policies of the system he was a part of.

Second I have to admit as a highly visual person (with skill sets that involve visual interpretation) and that the was so strikingly beautiful in a classic Japanese way (though I have no ethnic preference in women) I found myself studying her features for future refence. Being born and raised in the west, and being naturally curious, I am drawn to certain things in Asian cultures.

So that is why I put it in the second tier potion of my list. It was not good enough to be A list, but it had some personal significance.

[Nicole]

Just went to see Sin City. If you're into unbelievable amounts of violence, gore, yucky subjects and cartoon graphics, this is your movie.

I'm a baby and had my eyes covered for several scenes.

It was two hours long and several people got up and left during the film.

[HMS Beagle]

About a month ago, in a thread about religious movies, I mentioned that the only one I liked was The Passion of Joan of Arc, by Carl Dreyer. For those of you who posted an interest in seeing it, it's on Turner Classic Movies at 12:30am EST on Monday-- i.e., late Sunday night. It's a slow, silent film, but Maria Falconetti's performance (her only performance on film) is riveting, and the dialogue is taken directly from Joan's trial in Rouen. A must-see for anybody who takes film seriously.

[Philboid Studge]

Hey, let me know if WotW sucks or not. I'm a bit leary.
It's a good ride. Very good (but just short of great), in my view. I started a thread ('Mothers From Another Planet') for Ravers who have seen it, or who don't mind reading spoilers before they do.

[HMS Beagle]

It's so hard to do that, I'll go the favorite-of-genre route:
Politics: Dr. Strangelove or Citizen Kane
Big War: Grand Illusion
Small War: Seven Samurai
One-Man War: Yojimbo
Post-War: The Third Man
SciFi: The Terminator or Blade Runner, and Galaxy Quest for comedy
Cartoon: Spider-Man
Animation: South Park, Bigger, Longer, Uncut
Romance: Shop Around the Corner
Western: Destry Rides Again (comedy), Ride the High Country (drama)
Horror: The Vanishing (Dutch version)
Documentary: Gimme Shelter
Film-Noir: Maltese Falcon
Mystery: Rear Window
Fantasy: Lord of the Rings III (Return of the King) or Beauty and the Beast (Cocteau)
Musical: Singing in the Rain
Romance: Casablanca
Religion (can't skip that one): Passion of Joan of Arc
Action: maybe Die Hard
Family: The Godfather, I and II (what else?)

[alaspooryorick]

HMS Beagle, another Jimmy Stewart fan?
Rear Window and Shop Around the Corner are excellent...it's been a while since I've seen Destry Rides Again.

[HMS Beagle]

Yeah. I only wish Stewart had played Kane in Citizen Kane, Rick in Casablanca, and Joan in Joan of Arc.

[Evil_Mage_Ra]

Favorite Movie: Gattaca

I tend to like balls-out crazy independent movies. You know, the ones were you think "What the hell is going on?!?" through most of it. Movies like Primer or Pi.

[Jennifer]

Favorite Movie: Gattaca
Oh, Gattaca is great. I own that one.

[schemanista]

Casablanca is #1 on my list, followed by the Indiana Jones series and any good Shakespeare movies (still waiting for Brannagh's Hamlet on DVD).
What did you think of Othello with Fishburne and Brannagh?

[schemanista]

I'm surprised there isn't more Terry Gilliam being mentioned.

I'll toss Brazil into the ring, since it so resembles the organization I work for.

And I though 12 Monkeys ruled.

After that:
Exotica
The Sweet Hereafter
Leolo
Jesus de Montreal
Delicatessen
Harold and Maude
The Quiet Earth
The Bounty
Titus[i] (w. Hopkins)
[i]The Red Violin
Magnolia

And, lest I forget, The Big Lebowski.

[MrsMoe]

Hey, let me know if WotW sucks or not. I'm a bit leary.
It's a good ride. Very good (but just short of great), in my view. I started a thread ('Mothers From Another Planet') for Ravers who have seen it, or who don't mind reading spoilers before they do.
Special effects good or story line good? Special effects good is worthy of rental whenever I get around to it... good storyline is worthy of going to the movies and laying out cash.

[MrsMoe]

Favorite Movie: Gattaca

I tend to like balls-out crazy independent movies. You know, the ones were you think "What the hell is going on?!?" through most of it. Movies like Primer or Pi.
I LOVED Pi! :D

[Evil_Mage_Ra]

Hey, let me know if WotW sucks or not. I'm a bit leary.
It's a good ride. Very good (but just short of great), in my view. I started a thread ('Mothers From Another Planet') for Ravers who have seen it, or who don't mind reading spoilers before they do.
Special effects good or story line good? Special effects good is worthy of rental whenever I get around to it... good storyline is worthy of going to the movies and laying out cash.
I'd say more special-effects good. Not that the story is bad, it's just that it mostly involves Tom Cruise and his kids hiding from aliens until the aliens get sick and die. But the movie overall is very suspenseful (and realistic, in the sense that that's how I'd picture events unfolding if aliens really did invade). I found the crazed and fear-driven humans were more frightening than the aliens themselves.

[WITHTEETH]

I just saw WAR OF THE WORLDS, it was entertaining.
SPOILER"At the very end the narrartor gives credtit to god for creating our bacteria for not adapting to them or vice versa." That was the only think that i disliked.

[calpurnpiso]

I just saw WAR OF THE WORLDS, it was entertaining.
SPOILER"At the very end the narrartor gives credtit to god for creating our bacteria for not adapting to them or vice versa." That was the only think that i disliked.
'\

That's just good business and diplonacy so the Christ-psychotics and others under religion mental illness could enjoy the movie, forgetting about evolution and other more intelligent life forms inhabiting the Universe.

If I had produced the movie I would have placed a cross shaped deviced somewhere, made some of the aliens walk on water, some resurrect after holding the cross shape device and have some kind of last supper before our bacteria killed them.....:)

Did anyone see the Omega Man? ( 1970's movie) at the end he gives his blood in a container to his friends to save humanity from a devastating virus, while dying on a cross shape sculpture. Quite the symbolism...:)

[Rhinoqulous]

Special effects good or story line good? Special effects good is worthy of rental whenever I get around to it... good storyline is worthy of going to the movies and laying out cash.
I'd say special effects good, and that I'm the opposite; if the movie is about cool effects, I want to see it in the theater (big screen and sound). Although this is the first time Spielberg portrayed the aliens as evil instead of a Father/Guardian figure, which I find interesting.

Rhinoq

[WITHTEETH]

I just saw WAR OF THE WORLDS, it was entertaining.
SPOILER"At the very end the narrartor gives credtit to god for creating our bacteria for not adapting to them or vice versa." That was the only think that i disliked.
'\

That's just good business and diplonacy so the Christ-psychotics and others under religion mental illness could enjoy the movie, forgetting about evolution and other more intelligent life forms inhabiting the Universe.

If I had produced the movie I would have placed a cross shaped deviced somewhere, made some of the aliens walk on water, some resurrect after holding the cross shape device and have some kind of last supper before our bacteria killed them.....:)

Did anyone see the Omega Man? ( 1970's movie) at the end he gives his blood in a container to his friends to save humanity from a devastating virus, while dying on a cross shape sculpture. Quite the symbolism...:)
Has anybody read "Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep"? the intrepretation of the movie has christian symbology. As usual, the book was better.

[Tenspace]

I just saw WAR OF THE WORLDS, it was entertaining.
SPOILER"At the very end the narrartor gives credtit to god for creating our bacteria for not adapting to them or vice versa." That was the only think that i disliked.
'\

That's just good business and diplonacy so the Christ-psychotics and others under religion mental illness could enjoy the movie, forgetting about evolution and other more intelligent life forms inhabiting the Universe.

If I had produced the movie I would have placed a cross shaped deviced somewhere, made some of the aliens walk on water, some resurrect after holding the cross shape device and have some kind of last supper before our bacteria killed them.....:)

Did anyone see the Omega Man? ( 1970's movie) at the end he gives his blood in a container to his friends to save humanity from a devastating virus, while dying on a cross shape sculpture. Quite the symbolism...:)
Has anybody read "Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep"? the intrepretation of the movie has christian symbology. As usual, the book was better.
Are you talking about Blade Runner? I thought that Dick's novel was the basis for the movie.

Ten

[WITHTEETH]

Yes blade runner, and yes the book was the basis for Blade runner. at the end of the movie it gave the robot a christ like death.