President HW Bush. hates Atheist and says so.

[miata]

George H.W. Bush, as Presidential Nominee for the Republican party; 1987-AUG-27: "No, I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God."

[Atheist@Umich]

asshole.

[Jennifer]

I remember when he said that Miata, but I still think he's an Atheist, just like I think most Ministers and Priests and Rabbi's are Atheists. You would have to be to exploit people the way that they do.

[miata]

I sincerely think we are all atheist. There is no god so they must just believe in religion. I may believe I can fly but until I grow wing it's just pretend. Jesus is like a secuity blanket which helps people face the fears of life and death. It's not a bad drug if you can swallow that much dodo.

I told my doctor I had no faith in god and he gave me what looked like a milkshake. I swallowed all I could get down and he asked if I felt better. I said hell no that stuff taste like shit and he said "it was shit I was just a quart low"

I know it's an old joke but it seems to fit my personal view of religion.

[AGENT-ADAIR]

Im a proud American.

I think if George Washington heard that this man was president, he would have killed Bushes ancestors.

[miata]

Im a proud American.

I think if George Washington heard that this man was president, he would have killed Bushes ancestors.
I love America too, I just can't find it. Am I lost or did someone steal my trailer made in China?. This site may be the only thing you see today not made in China

[Another brick in the wall]

Don't read too much into it. He was just vote-whoring.

[Philboid Studge]

Present technology is not up to snuff to build a time machine, but we are getting very close to developing viable cryogenic devices that freeze living humans so that they can be thawed at a later date. From the point of view of the person being frozen/thawed, there is no practical difference between this and a time machine that can only go into the future. I propose that we hypnotize Jenna Bush a la The Manchurian Candidate (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056218/), then cryogenically freeze her, keeping her frozen until the day a proper two-way time machine can be constructed. When that happens, we'll have our descendants thaw her out, and then send her back in time to 1935, when a teenage George HW Bush was in the hospital (http://www.doctorzebra.com/prez/g41.htm) with a staff infection. Jenna kills her grandfather per our hypnotic suggestion (pillow over the head), then immediately disappears, since she will no longer exist, nor will her sister, Not-Jenna, her father Monkey Boy, Uncle "Herpes" Neil, et cetera. I'm pretty sure I can't get in trouble for proposing this, because the worst of it will happen long before I'm born.

Yes, I've been smoking dope tonight.

[Atheist@Umich]

Oh boy! proposing to assassinate the president! You know, thanks to the patriot act, the FBI might break into your house tomorrow morning :p

[Philboid Studge]

No, I'm proposing to hypnotize someone to snuff out a high-school aged dork. That can't be against the law!

Just in case, I'd better hide the stash. (I never thought I'd have to keister that again.)

[miata]

I thought the patriot act was a laxitive! It should be as are so full of sh*t in DC.

[Tenspace]

Present technology is not up to snuff to build a time machine, but we are getting very close to developing viable cryogenic devices that freeze living humans so that they can be thawed at a later date. From the point of view of the person being frozen/thawed, there is no practical difference between this and a time machine that can only go into the future. I propose that we hypnotize Jenna Bush a la The Manchurian Candidate (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056218/), then cryogenically freeze her, keeping her frozen until the day a proper two-way time machine can be constructed. When that happens, we'll have our descendants thaw her out, and then send her back in time to 1935, when a teenage George HW Bush was in the hospital (http://www.doctorzebra.com/prez/g41.htm) with a staff infection. Jenna kills her grandfather per our hypnotic suggestion (pillow over the head), then immediately disappears, since she will no longer exist, nor will her sister, Not-Jenna, her father Monkey Boy, Uncle "Herpes" Neil, et cetera. I'm pretty sure I can't get in trouble for proposing this, because the worst of it will happen long before I'm born.

Yes, I've been smoking dope tonight.
Won't work. You go back in time, but you won't be able to trace your path backwards in time. You will end up in the past of a different universe. Kind of like a reverse-temporal exclusion principle. It's the only way to avoid the grandfather paradox. Sure, she could kill HW, but it would be in a different slice of the multiverse, where the future continues down a bifurcating path where Jenna cannot exist.

Read more Deutsch. :)

Ten

[miata]

I blame Jesus for this mess he tells Bush who to Bomb. If he told that retard to bomb Canada I think he would do it.

[Rhinoqulous]

Dammit Ten, you beat me to it. :P

But Philboids plan would be helping those in the universe the Hypno-Jenna ends up in.

[PanAtheist]

I sincerely think we are all atheist.
Well thanks!

After 10+ months at the Raving Atheist Forums, miata is the first person ever to express agreement with me!

:-)

[Tenspace]

Present technology is not up to snuff to build a time machine, but we are getting very close to developing viable cryogenic devices that freeze living humans so that they can be thawed at a later date. From the point of view of the person being frozen/thawed, there is no practical difference between this and a time machine that can only go into the future. I propose that we hypnotize Jenna Bush a la The Manchurian Candidate (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056218/), then cryogenically freeze her, keeping her frozen until the day a proper two-way time machine can be constructed. When that happens, we'll have our descendants thaw her out, and then send her back in time to 1935, when a teenage George HW Bush was in the hospital (http://www.doctorzebra.com/prez/g41.htm) with a staff infection. Jenna kills her grandfather per our hypnotic suggestion (pillow over the head), then immediately disappears, since she will no longer exist, nor will her sister, Not-Jenna, her father Monkey Boy, Uncle "Herpes" Neil, et cetera. I'm pretty sure I can't get in trouble for proposing this, because the worst of it will happen long before I'm born.

Yes, I've been smoking dope tonight.
Won't work. You go back in time, but you won't be able to trace your path backwards in time. You will end up in the past of a different universe. Kind of like a reverse-temporal exclusion principle. It's the only way to avoid the grandfather paradox. Sure, she could kill HW, but it would be in a different slice of the multiverse, where the future continues down a bifurcating path where Jenna cannot exist.

Read more Deutsch. :)

Ten
Then try some Bohm (and quit watching star trek....)
And don't forget Bell... non-locality is hugely important for understanding.

Ten

[miata]

I sincerely think we are all atheist.
Well thanks!

After 10+ months at the Raving Atheist Forums, miata is the first person ever to express agreement with me!

:-)
Thanks for your kindness.

If there is no tree in my garden, pretending it is there by pouring water in the area does not prove it is there. If I write a book about my tree you can't see it so you may assume I have a tree. If I ask for money to save my tree and grow more fake trees some very kind people would send money to help. When I die and no one knows that it was a fake tree I will be remembered as that man who saved nature one tree at a time. Christians would be as saved and happy if they accepted my tree as their God. I must warn you that it takes a lot of fath to worship a pretend tree or a pretend friend.

Folks forgive me but I think I have started a new religion. Let's call it the tree of life without the talking snake.

[Philboid Studge]

Won't work. You go back in time, but you won't be able to trace your path backwards in time. You will end up in the past of a different universe. ...Read more Deutsch
Dammit Ten, you beat me to it.
Then try some Bohm (and quit watching star trek....)
Oy. I must say it is dispiriting to hear such defeatism from my science officers. Worse, it is a defeatism born of hubris, for how else to interpret this consensus of yours that human achievement has reached its limit, that we won't get any smarter? Just because Deutsch cannot handle a little grandfather paradox, it doesn't mean future brainiacs won't be able to do it -- and Deustch is the first to admit this: 'Past-directed time travel, which requires the manipulation of black holes, or some similarly violent gravitational disruption of the fabric of space and time, will be practicable only in the remote future, if at all. At present, we know of nothing in the laws of physics that rules out past-directed time travel; on the contrary, they make it plausible that time travel is possible. ...{I}f the future development of fundamental physics continues to allow time travel in principle, then its practical attainment will surely become a mere technological problem that will eventually be solved.' (pp. 312-3)

Got that? Now let's get busy on the hypnotizing and freezing of Jenna. Come to think of it, maybe the way to get around this whole multiverse thingy is to send an anti-particle back to 1935 -- so let's send the other one, Not-Jenna, and see if that works. It's this kind of out-of-the box thinking that will get this thing done. And no more loser-talk! :o

As for Bohm, I'll deal with him later. (Thinks he's so clever, cribbing all his predictions from established quantum theory ...)

Oh and one more thing: a number of Star Trek TNG episodes neatly illustrate Deutsch's 'revolving door' scenarios described on pp. 297-301. See 'Parallels' for one, which aired Nov., 1993.


EDIT: Got really fucked up with italics for some reason.

[Rhinoqulous]

OK, Philboid, I've jumped out of the box, or into the box, or sitting next to the box, whatever, I'm ready to help.

I remember reading or dreaming that if you get something massive enough and rotate it really fast, the drag on Space-Time will be so great that if you revolve around the heavy object, you'll get back to your starting point before you left. So, what we do is launch something really big, say Louie Anderson, into space and get him rotating really fast. I mean virgin sex in the back of a Volkswagen fast. You then shoot Hypno-Jenna at Louie, and have her revolve around him until she arrives back in 1935. The only way this plan could fail is if Hitler got a hold of the time warp, or worse yet, Louie Anderson himself. Imagine the carnage Hitler could have caused if he possessed the might of Louie Anderson. God, the humanity.

Rhinoq

[Philboid Studge]

Heh heh. Good one. Although I confess I had to look up who Louie Anderson is. His mass could be sufficient to get the job done, now it's a matter of getting him to spin fast enough. Deutsch, picking up from Einstein, broaches the issue of harnassing the power of a spinning beaver, I mean black hole: "No sufficiently rapidly spining black holes are known, and it has been argued (inconclusively) that it may be impossible to spin one up artificially, because any rapidly spinning material that one fired in [e.g., Not-Jenna] might be thrown off and unable to enter the black hole. The sceptics may be right, but in so far as their reluctance to accept the possibility of time travel is rooted in a belief that it leads to paradoxes, it is unjustified." (p. 312, italics Philboid's)


[Eventually Cal won't be able to tell the X-Psychotics from the merely baked on these threads.]

[Tenspace]

OK, Philboid, I've jumped out of the box, or into the box, or sitting next to the box, whatever, I'm ready to help.

I remember reading or dreaming that if you get something massive enough and rotate it really fast, the drag on Space-Time will be so great that if you revolve around the heavy object, you'll get back to your starting point before you left. So, what we do is launch something really big, say Louie Anderson, into space and get him rotating really fast. I mean virgin sex in the back of a Volkswagen fast. You then shoot Hypno-Jenna at Louie, and have her revolve around him until she arrives back in 1935. The only way this plan could fail is if Hitler got a hold of the time warp, or worse yet, Louie Anderson himself. Imagine the carnage Hitler could have caused if he possessed the might of Louie Anderson. God, the humanity.

Rhinoq
Louie ain't that big anymore since his untimely death. I suggest we use the NIST Standard Candle for Measurements of Mass: The Wilford Brimley scale. Now, ol' Wilford (http://www.nndb.com/people/593/000022527/) would obviously register a 1.0 on the Wilford scale. Louie was a .89 before his death, and is now hovering (slumbering? sloughing?) around .21 Wilford Brimleys.

From my calculations, it would take about 1.5 Wilfords to bring about gravitational collapse, which is, scaringly enough, very close to the Chandrasekhar limit for stellar mass. That would make Wilford's initial mass very close to that of the Sun. Of couse, we're talking rest mass, since motion of such a massive object would cause terrible disturbances in the spacetime surrounding it.

However, as Rhinoq mentioned, when you rotate a massive object, you get a phenomenom known as frame dragging. This can be witnessed if you watch the depth perspective of the film Thompson's Last Run (1986). Wilford's running motions through the film created huge frame dragging issues. I don't think they could even show the film on large projectors, due to the deformation of the celluloid lattice caused by the whorls of disrupted spacetime. The projector's light beam would get halfway to the screen and start rotating. Weird.

Hitler, being roughly .017 Wilfords, would not have much effect.. he may even have been spaghettified if he got close enough to anything measuring over .97 Wilfords. Of course, he could have sent that fatass Goeth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Gothwrifle.jpg), who, at .75 Wilfords would have set up a 4:1 gravitational harmonic resonance with the rotating mass, which should open up a perturbation area sufficient to shoot Jenna wherever you want. :)

Tenspace

[Rhinoqulous]

However, as Rhinoq mentioned, when you rotate a massive object, you get a phenomenom known as frame dragging. This can be witnessed if you watch the depth perspective of the film Thompson's Last Run (1986). Wilford's running motions through the film created huge frame dragging issues. I don't think they could even show the film on large projectors, due to the deformation of the celluloid lattice caused by the whorls of disrupted spacetime. The projector's light beam would get halfway to the screen and start rotating. Weird.
Tenspace
We sometimes have to compensate for this when we do film transfers where I work. I've developed a special room that will rotate at the same revolution as the projectors light beam, thus, keeping the image fresh and clean on the screen, and ripe for digital transfer. It's like an amusement park ride with crappy movies.

I also forgot that Louie Anderson was dead. Now I feel bad for making fun of him. Oh well, he was a crappy comic anyway.

Rhinoq

[Tenspace]

However, as Rhinoq mentioned, when you rotate a massive object, you get a phenomenom known as frame dragging. This can be witnessed if you watch the depth perspective of the film Thompson's Last Run (1986). Wilford's running motions through the film created huge frame dragging issues. I don't think they could even show the film on large projectors, due to the deformation of the celluloid lattice caused by the whorls of disrupted spacetime. The projector's light beam would get halfway to the screen and start rotating. Weird.
Tenspace
We sometimes have to compensate for this when we do film transfers where I work. I've developed a special room that will rotate at the same revolution as the projectors light beam, thus, keeping the image fresh and clean on the screen, and ripe for digital transfer. It's like an amusement park ride with crappy movies.

I also forgot that Louie Anderson was dead. Now I feel bad for making fun of him. Oh well, he was a crappy comic anyway.

Rhinoq
Yeah, you shoulda made fun of John Candy.. wait, no, Chris Farley... umm... never mind.