No one has any reason to believe in logic anymore than God

[Krist]

All of you atheists out there. I think it's great that you're attempting to "deny" the existence of God. But let me ask you this. Can any of you prove to me or yourselves that any of your "logic" or "science" contains any truth? Or, to put it more simply, can you justify your reasons for trusting logic and science?

A lot of people like to use the tools of logic and science to deny the existence of God. They try to make it seem that a belief in God is "illogical." They try and make it seem like "believing in God" is ludicrous. But what makes trusting science or logic so infallible?

Here's some food for thought. If you tried to make an argument to justify your logic, it would be circular since it would require that very logic to be valid. Yes?

What makes you so sure of science? What makes you so confident in induction and the reoccurence of events? Are you SURE that gravity will exist tomorrow? If so, how? And if you are not sure, what makes you think that you can build arguments on it?

The bottom line is, I think, that you can make an internally consistent worldview without God. But believing that a denial of God is "right" is just dogmatic bullshit. No one has any reason to believe in science or logic anymore than they have to believe in God.

[Mog]

You say all this, and yet aren't you trying to use logic to make your point? It seems like you're as much a believer in logic as we are.

[Marquis de Sade]

Science is based on justified true belief - if a man is told that a spider he is holding is poisonous by his friend as a joke, and it bites him killing him - he will have believed it, and it will have been true, but it wasnt justified, because he arrived at the truth through by accident. If a man believes a spider is not poisonous, and it turns out to be, he lacks truth. Neither of these therefore are knolwedge.

Now, maybe some omnipotent life form exists, but I have never seen this life-form, nor has anyone else detected it, unless we are to believe a book propagated by people with ulterior motives - what is more likely, that god exists, or that this is another myth like countless others, albiet a more widely believed than the myth that there is a civilisation on Mars.

What is the possibility that gravity will not exist tommorow? After being observed for the last few tens of thousands of years, what are the chances of it suddenly stopping? What are the chances that god exists? Pretty much the same.

3000 years ago, before Moses allegedly left Egypt, there was a culture that believed in multiple gods, some with animal features - you would probably discount the truth of such life-forms existing, yet that myth is no more or less true than yours?

And if god exists, does it matter to you that this life form allegedly killed a lot of us humans, and proposes that humans who dont abide by his laws should be eternally tortuned in violation of the geneva conventions?

I can only conclude that theists also dont respect human rights, if they would take such a life-form, mythical or not, as a shining example.

And lastly, aside from your insistance that we think our point of view is infallible, we infact dont - but theists generally do, if they dont, they are agnostic.

[Little Earth Stamper]

All of you atheists out there. I think it's great that you're attempting to "deny" the existence of God. But let me ask you this. Can any of you prove to me or yourselves that any of your "logic" or "science" contains any truth? Or, to put it more simply, can you justify your reasons for trusting logic and science?

A lot of people like to use the tools of logic and science to deny the existence of God. They try to make it seem that a belief in God is "illogical." They try and make it seem like "believing in God" is ludicrous. But what makes trusting science or logic so infallible?

Here's some food for thought. If you tried to make an argument to justify your logic, it would be circular since it would require that very logic to be valid. Yes?

What makes you so sure of science? What makes you so confident in induction and the reoccurence of events? Are you SURE that gravity will exist tomorrow? If so, how? And if you are not sure, what makes you think that you can build arguments on it?

The bottom line is, I think, that you can make an internally consistent worldview without God. But believing that a denial of God is "right" is just dogmatic bullshit. No one has any reason to believe in science or logic anymore than they have to believe in God.
Under your system, belief in anything is dogmatic bullshit. So, the term "dogmatic bullshit" sort of ceases to be a useful descriptor.

[Erik]

So, Krist, I take it you won't be flying on any airplanes soon? After all, why would you possibly trust that the next flight will operate on the same principles as the last 200,000?

[ConsequentAtheist]

All of you atheists out there. I think it's great that you're attempting to "deny" the existence of God. But let me ask you this. Can any of you prove to me or yourselves that any of your "logic" or "science" contains any truth?
You reify "truth", but 'truth' is not a thing unto itself. Unless and until you can offer a meaningful definition of 'truth' your complaint is meaningless.

So let me help. Generally, there are two basic theories of truth: coherence and correspondence. You use the results of science every day. It is for you to explain the efficacy of science if, indeed, its explanations do not correspond to nature.

[Rhinoqulous]

You say all this, and yet aren't you trying to use logic to make your point? It seems like you're as much a believer in logic as we are.
Beat me to it Mog. :P

[ocmpoma]

I don't trust logic or science at all, Krist. And that's why I'm going to ignore you, because I know that you are, in fact, a small orange kitten and are not really posting here. The real question is, how long before you realize that you are a kitten, and then vanish into a puff of smoke. Be wary - it's only a matter of non-temporal quadirlateral time before it happens.

[Paradox]

http://www.mvma.org/images/ftp/orange%20kitten%202.jpg

[Sir Sin-O-Lot]

All of you atheists out there. I think it's great that you're attempting to "deny" the existence of God. But let me ask you this. Can any of you prove to me or yourselves that any of your "logic" or "science" contains any truth? Or, to put it more simply, can you justify your reasons for trusting logic and science?

A lot of people like to use the tools of logic and science to deny the existence of God. They try to make it seem that a belief in God is "illogical." They try and make it seem like "believing in God" is ludicrous. But what makes trusting science or logic so infallible?

Here's some food for thought. If you tried to make an argument to justify your logic, it would be circular since it would require that very logic to be valid. Yes?

What makes you so sure of science? What makes you so confident in induction and the reoccurence of events? Are you SURE that gravity will exist tomorrow? If so, how? And if you are not sure, what makes you think that you can build arguments on it?

The bottom line is, I think, that you can make an internally consistent worldview without God. But believing that a denial of God is "right" is just dogmatic bullshit. No one has any reason to believe in science or logic anymore than they have to believe in God.
Aww, how cute. I wanna play with her/him!

[Tenspace]

The bottom line is, I think, that you can make an internally consistent worldview without God. But believing that a denial of God is "right" is just dogmatic bullshit. No one has any reason to believe in science or logic anymore than they have to believe in God.
Thanks for the confirmation of our "beliefs". Tell you what: I'll live for a week without any of the benefits religion brings to our lives, and you can live a week without any of the benefits science brings to our lives. That means no TV, radio, newspaper, transportation (except walking), don't take any of your medications, no Tums if your tummy hurts, and of course, don't use your computer for a week.

Of course, I also think you're a drive-by theist and won't post here again. Maybe you can prove me wrong.

Tenspace

[honeybadger]

what a cute kitten!

[Aequitas]

You're committing the Fallacy of the Stolen Concept. You used logic to come to the conclusion that logic might not be true. Your argument is one big contradiction.

But, more importantly, logic is self-evident. Logic is based on three laws: The Law of Identity, which is that everything is what it is, or a is a; the Law of Contradiction, that something cannot be a and not-a, or that something cannot be true and false, at the same time in the same respect; and the Law of the Excluded Middle, that something is either a or not-a, or that something is either true or false, there is no third option.

If you can come up with any evidence to suggest that these laws are invalid (and, of course, if you proved any of these laws invalid, the very concept of evidence would be meaningless), then I'll accept logic as untrue.

[4thgeneration]

The bottom line is, I think, that you can make an internally consistent worldview without God. But believing that a denial of God is "right" is just dogmatic bullshit. No one has any reason to believe in science or logic anymore than they have to believe in God.
Thanks for the confirmation of our "beliefs". Tell you what: I'll live for a week without any of the benefits religion brings to our lives, and you can live a week without any of the benefits science brings to our lives. That means no TV, radio, newspaper, transportation (except walking), don't take any of your medications, no Tums if your tummy hurts, and of course, don't use your computer for a week.

Of course, I also think you're a drive-by theist and won't post here again. Maybe you can prove me wrong.

Tenspace
In addition, he shouldn't have the benefits of vaccinations, water treatment, food quality, and a variety of other benefits that SCIENCE provides. Tell me, does prayer keep Bordetella pertussis at bay? Does belief in a higher power keep your water free of enterotoxigenic E. coli? Wow. If Jesus was the TRUE savior, why didn't he tell us, "By the way, boil the water before you give it to the kids!" How many lives would have been saved? Go ahead, bash science. Your longevity and quality of life are directly improved by science. By things that you can see, hear, feel and reproduce. Sorry, religion hasn't done half of that for this world. If the church hadn't had a chokehold on science for so many years, imagine where we would be today. Is there anybody in your family afflicted by viral, bacterial, fungal, protozoal infections? Or maybe cancer? Scientific knowledge, and a depth of understanding about evolution are the keys to curing these diseases. If you want to believe in a higher power, go ahead, knock yourself out! But don't thank him when chemotherapy saves your life or the life of someone you know. Thank the chemists, the biologists, the statisticians that put their blood, sweat and tears into finding a new treatment for disease.

[calpurnpiso]

All of you atheists out there. I think it's great that you're attempting to "deny" the existence of God. But let me ask you this. Can any of you prove to me or yourselves that any of your "logic" or "science" contains any truth? Or, to put it more simply, can you justify your reasons for trusting logic and science?

A lot of people like to use the tools of logic and science to deny the existence of God. They try to make it seem that a belief in God is "illogical." They try and make it seem like "believing in God" is ludicrous. But what makes trusting science or logic so infallible?

Here's some food for thought. If you tried to make an argument to justify your logic, it would be circular since it would require that very logic to be valid. Yes?

What makes you so sure of science? What makes you so confident in induction and the reoccurence of events? Are you SURE that gravity will exist tomorrow? If so, how? And if you are not sure, what makes you think that you can build arguments on it?

The bottom line is, I think, that you can make an internally consistent worldview without God. But believing that a denial of God is "right" is just dogmatic bullshit. No one has any reason to believe in science or logic anymore than they have to believe in God.
Hmmm...try my JET and see if 'god" truly exists and can save you from this gravity predicament you'll find yourself into while taking it?..:lol:

JESUS EXISTENCE TEST- Drastic #1

Go to a top of a twenty story building bring a Babble start praying and quoting praying and still quoting and praying to the "Lord and Saviour" so he would assist you and save you when you Jumps from the top floor. Pray that "Saviour Jesus" make someone place matresses below, or make some truck driver carrying soft stuff, park his truck full of sponge rubber below to soften your landing. This should be very easy for this "saviour" since he has the ability to get into people's minds.

Well, the reality of it all will be that the Jesus Myth will NOT show up for prayers to any myth, including the tooth fairy, are never answered. Since he failed to show up or answer prayers you will find yourself splatered on the pavement below !. Jesus is plainly a mental aberration caused by a neurological disorder that exists ONLY on brains that are infected with a type of schizophrenic disorder or temporal lobe epylepsy which I define as Christ-psychosis. Jesus is a real as the Tooth Fairy, Sauroman or Allah..and besides, not matter how much one would praise his "name" he will be UNABLE to save us for he doesn't exist. "

Since the christ psychotics do not know the meaning of logical thinking, they'll reject the JET and continue with their Christian delusions as essential meaning-giver to their guilt ridden insecured lives....LOL

[Another brick in the wall]

The bottom line is, I think, that you can make an internally consistent worldview without God. But believing that a denial of God is "right" is just dogmatic bullshit. No one has any reason to believe in science or logic anymore than they have to believe in God.
Here are a few reasons:
Telephones
Flight
Computers (you know, the thing you're sitting in front of right now)
Vaccination
Television
Electricity
Automobiles
Surgery
Antibiotics
Agriculture
Food preservation
Weather forecasting

. . . and many, many more.

[Kamikaze189]

Logic works.

Logic, in my understanding, works by memory and things you've learned.

You know it's a bad idea to walk into walls because you, at one point or another, realized they were solid.

If I threw out logic, I'd probably be a theist who walks into walls all the time.



To apply this with god: I have never detected god with any senses. God (and bible) conflicts with previously true things (evolution for one, the earth being round instead of flat, loads of other things the bible says that are just plain crazy) which therefore makes it a delusion to believe. Also, I can't leave without saying it: Belief is illogical.

[Little Earth Stamper]

The bottom line is, I think, that you can make an internally consistent worldview without God. But believing that a denial of God is "right" is just dogmatic bullshit. No one has any reason to believe in science or logic anymore than they have to believe in God.
Thanks for the confirmation of our "beliefs". Tell you what: I'll live for a week without any of the benefits religion brings to our lives, and you can live a week without any of the benefits science brings to our lives. That means no TV, radio, newspaper, transportation (except walking), don't take any of your medications, no Tums if your tummy hurts, and of course, don't use your computer for a week.

Of course, I also think you're a drive-by theist and won't post here again. Maybe you can prove me wrong.

Tenspace
He can't use pattern recogbnition either. For example, if earlier he learned that it hurts to burn yourself on the stove, he can't assume it'll be true again, and might as well put his hand on the burner.