Happy Now, Theists?

[Tenspace]

The purpose of this new thread is to provide links to news articles which show how Christian morality is being forced on the general public.

Here's the first link:

Texas Abortion Doctors Could Face Death Penalty (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3330600)

(I do understand that not all atheists are pro-abortion, and not all Christians are anti-abortion, however, look up the information on the bill's sponsors, and you'll see the Christian tie-in. I also understand that this is a loophole, and was not intended as a means of state-sponsored doctor-killing.)

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Ooh, here's another one:

U.S. Blamed for Condom Shortage in Fighting AIDS in Uganda (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/30/international/africa/30aids.html)

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And then there's this:

Scientific Savvy? In U.S., Not Much (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/30/science/30profile.html?ex=1125547200&en=631977063d726261&ei=5070)

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Apparently there are more important things to spend Miami's money on than fighting violent crime:

U.S. Attorney's Porn Fight Gets Bad Reviews (http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1125318960389&rss=newswire)

[4thgeneration]

And then there's this:

Scientific Savvy? In U.S., Not Much (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/30/science/30profile.html?ex=1125547200&en=631977063d726261&ei=5070)
Sadly, this is all too familiar to me. I teach an intro level science course to science majors. The kids I see are so handicapped by public school. They are way behind the times when it comes to science. And this is their field of study! What can you do, though, when the teachers in public school often cannot differentiate between Lamarckism and Darwinian evolution? Education is obviously the key, but how can you educate when your hands are tied by the members of school boards and government officials?

[Evil_Mage_Ra]

And then there's this:

Scientific Savvy? In U.S., Not Much (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/30/science/30profile.html?ex=1125547200&en=631977063d726261&ei=5070)
Sadly, this is all too familiar to me. I teach an intro level science course to science majors. The kids I see are so handicapped by public school. They are way behind the times when it comes to science. And this is their field of study! What can you do, though, when the teachers in public school often cannot differentiate between Lamarckism and Darwinian evolution? Education is obviously the key, but how can you educate when your hands are tied by the members of school boards and government officials?
You're a professor of biology? That's cool. What university?

[Bighead]

Apparently there are more important things to spend Miami's money on than fighting violent crime:

U.S. Attorney's Porn Fight Gets Bad Reviews (http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1125318960389&rss=newswire)
This is the epitome of bad leadership. I wish I could say what I want to say about him and about Pat Robertson and all the rest, but what I want to say is apparantly illegal so I'll keep my trap shut. God DAMN it.

[calpurnpiso]

Apparently there are more important things to spend Miami's money on than fighting violent crime:

U.S. Attorney's Porn Fight Gets Bad Reviews (http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1125318960389&rss=newswire)
This is the epitome of bad leadership. I wish I could say what I want to say about him and about Pat Robertson and all the rest, but what I want to say is apparantly illegal so I'll keep my trap shut. God DAMN it.
What do you expect from a man named Acosta and an insidious neurological disorder name Christianity where delusions, stupid thinking and ravenous ignorance are de rigeur?..:)

[Tenspace]

I really don't have a whole lot of sympathy for any doctor for any reason. They epitomize and represent modern society in my eyes. THe sociey where people "need" a doctor, they "need" comfort and security.
I'd rather think it was the work of doctors that saved my wife's life, and not the work of a prayer group in Dallas. :)

My guess is that if your life, or that of a loved one was hanging by a thread, you'd change your opinion about doctors.

Or maybe you'd like to be more specific. "Doctors" is a broad category, like "scientists", or "politicians". There's all different flavors and all that.

Ten

[Bighead]

I really don't have a whole lot of sympathy for any doctor for any reason. They epitomize and represent modern society in my eyes. THe sociey where people "need" a doctor, they "need" comfort and security.

So this , to me anyways, goes way beyond aborting babies. Which is also something I don't think I'd ever do for someone

This is okay, it's not like the same thing, or as wrong, as arresting medical marajuana users, or believing in the drug war, or modern society. Doctors make people believe in modern science, which is destroying people and the environment.
No, you are wrong. Society needs doctors to HEAL WOUNDS and afflictions. When my daughter was born, she lost a full pound in 1 week. I don't know if you know ANYTHING about medicine, but that is BAD. There were only 3 doctors in the COUNTRY that were qualified to perform the surgery that was necessary on a 1 week old infant. Her intestines were formed badly during pregnancy and there was a kink and the doctor had to take them out and re-insert them so that she could get all of the nutrients out of her food...if not for this surgery, she would have died in less than a week...also, if not for medical advances, she would have died post-surgery from infection. So fuck you, my daughter has just as much a right to live as you do you fuck wad

[Bighead]

So if I understand you correctly, dick-wad, your sister was born choking on her umbilical cord because of society? And no baby ever died as a result of that before the advent of modern medicine and science?
I'm not sure I understand you about cowardice. Am I a coward because I wanted my daughter to live? Is it cowardice to have an emotional attachment to a living thing? If so, then you are a coward for caring about what happens to those guinnea pigs. Coward. :o Dick-wad. :D

[RedRob]

How is thinking you need something, or NEED to live, any different than someone thinking a baby "needed" to not be aborted. OR a doctor thinking his job is "necessary".

You're missing the point. THe point is your mentality and cowardice. Everybody gotta die someday. You value yourself too much, and therefore do not value others or the world properly IMO

THe whole concept of "need" is only your own concept

Your daughter does not "live" in the same sense as me anyways, but I won't get into ordinary vs. non-ordinary, or qigong health and life cultivation vs. societal lifestyle. No need. The point is the cowardly mentality

Look, my family members have needed to go to the doctor from time to time. MY sister was born being choked by the umbilical cord. HOwever, I understand that it was all because my family was raised to a degree with some cowardly societal programming, and without modern society there wouldn't have been these problems to even be thought about, and you don't need modern sciene to handle these things anyways, on top of it all.
Are you suggesting we accept illness and injury and go with the flow rather then seek treatment?
Do you have a personal guru or something? I'm interested in brainwashing techniques and it seems that who ever influenced you was surely a pro.

[Bighead]

Here is a quote from a page on Edgar Cayce-
blah blah blah....
Your first problem is basing an argument on something about Edgar Cayce. I'll say no more. Except that you're a dick-wad :)

[Bighead]

Could you please just write a post and stick to it...stop editing it 4 times

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Because it's hard to understand you when your post keeps changing.

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I'm going back and forth from page one to page two trying to see what the fuck you're saying

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And it's difficult when you keep changing the post on page two

Edited to be a dick-wad
Dick-wad
:D

[Bighead]

My point really was, that nothing happens by accident. THere is no such thing as random in human society. THere are underlying reasons for certain interactions. THere is a reason you meet certain people and not others. THere is a reason things happen.
The only reason is chaos...Things don't always happen for a reason. Things don't usually happen for a reason...they just happen.

[Eva]

oh yes!! there is a reason i've never met a singaporean!

i've never been to singapore.....

[RedRob]

My point really was, that nothing happens by accident. THere is no such thing as random in human society. THere are underlying reasons for certain interactions. THere is a reason you meet certain people and not others. THere is a reason things happen.
Is there a reason for you not answering my question. I'm waiting and the reason for that is that you are not answering my question.

[Mog]

This is what Kilik's religion teaches about disease and healing.

In a book, founder and current leader, Li Hongzhi, contrasts qigong healing treatments with those found in conventional hospitals:

Hospital tests and examinations cannot detect the fundamental cause of an illness. This is because medical tests can only function in "this dimension and cannot see fundamental causes that exist in other dimensions."
The actual cause of illness is not a virus or bacterial, or some other pathogen. It is karma.
"The root cause of the patient’s illness is an intelligent entity that exists in another dimension."
Qigong masters are able to use their super-human vision to see the internal functioning of their client's body, much like a CAT scan
(from religioustolerance.org)

[Bighead]

What I write is only my own. It is only my opinion and no one elses.

However, very important issues-
http://www.atlantis.to/spiritual-beings-health-emotions.htm
http://www.atlantis.to/Home-page-related/new-messages/newsletter/spirituality-and-illness.htm
http://www.atlantis.to/frequently-asked-questions.htm
http://www.atlantis.to/spiritual-enlightenment.htm

You have no right to anything. Jesus would have been one of the only people who did. HOwever, he really has no desire to live on Earth. He chose to help others and set an example. SO if you really did deserve to be here, you'd have no fear of death
Bullshit. I have a right to everything that I have earned. Things that have not been earned, you could possibly say that I don't have a right to. Jesus was no different than any other human that lived (if he even lived). If noone has a right to anything, I assume that that applies to all animals...that means that those guinea pigs have no right to anything either...including life...so we can kill them all in the name of science, not because we have the right, but because we want to and they have no right to complain.
I don't see how deserving to be here and fearing death go together. And for the record, I'm not really afraid of death...it's the dying part that I don't want to go through...also, since there is nothing after I die, I'm in no rush to get there.

Dick-Wad :P

[RedRob]

Animals belong on earth. People don't in the way they are. THat doesn't make animals higher, they are lower, but they belong doing what they are doing. Humans are the ones who articficailly created the labs. Guinea Pigs are not meant to live in labs
Well, since you stated that everything happens for a reason what makes you say that what humans are doing is artificial. Stick to a poing dude, either everything happens for a reason or it doesen't, which is it?

[Eva]

cut the crap, kilik

but i have t commend you on your resilience

[RedRob]

Humans "fell, to the earth plane. THe story of the bible is an allegory of human's "fall", in morals and attachments, to the "earth " plane. Your only responibility is to return to the higher level. Your selfish side and the law of free will, do cause problems in the universe now, it does cause suffering for others.

In the end, it isn't strictly incorrect to say, "nothing matters anyways", but yet, it isn't fully right because people's actions do cause suffering for others.
SO if I see someone having a heart attack I should let them die rather then help?

[Mog]

Here is an article which talks about healing or curing a disease, and the implications-
http://www.atlantis.to/reiki.htm

You don’t want a kung-fu expert wandering around who is still subject to his selfish desires and fears. You want one who has learned to be kind, compassionate, and harmless. The same with healing methods. Some people need their pain and suffering, to learn from. And if you are able to take it away, but not yet of the consciousness to know if it would be right for someone, then you could be doing more harm than good with your healing. In fact, MOST people, the vast majority of who might need or want healing, need their problem until they change something spiritually/mentally/emotionally. Taking that opportunity away from someone is a serious spiritual crime – you are likely to be depriving them of the opportunity provided by their own karma, karmic opportunities they desperately need for their spiritual path and growth. And the soul, the spirit, is far more important than the body. The body is a temporary vehicle. It is going to die someday anyway. But the soul is forever, and can live in bondage or freedom depending on the spiritual choices someone makes in life. Would you take that freedom from someone just because you want to make their body better temporarily, or worse, because you have an ego trip about being a healer? Learning to leave things to God’s will, is not just a good idea, it is vital.
The fact is that people build science and modern medicine up to be these great things. THey aren't. They can never get at the truth, because of the programming which lead people to want to even be scientists in the first place
Yep, thats what your masters want you to think. tell me, have you plopped down $10000 for your reiki course, or the $50 for the cheap bracelet?

[Tenspace]

How is thinking you need something, or NEED to live, any different than someone thinking a baby "needed" to not be aborted. OR a doctor thinking his job is "necessary".
Well, considering the fact that we're organisms with an inherent desire to reproduce, I'd say some of us need to live, or humans would be extinct. Is that what you want? Maybe I don't give a shit about a need to live, but I wanted my wife to live. Guess I'm too selfish for your tastes, eh?

You're missing the point. THe point is your mentality and cowardice. Everybody gotta die someday. You value yourself too much, and therefore do not value others or the world properly IMO
LOL! Tell me, Kilik, how old are you? How rich has your life experience been? How many times have you cheated death? How many times have you been truly scared? And how in the world can you assume that we don't value others or the world properly? Is that properly according to your definition? What would you do first, eliminate all the doctors?

THe whole concept of "need" is only your own concept
Kilik has no needs, apparently. Anybody wanna run with this?

Look, my family members have needed to go to the doctor from time to time. MY sister was born being choked by the umbilical cord. HOwever, I understand that it was all because my family was raised to a degree with some cowardly societal programming, and without modern society there wouldn't have been these problems to even be thought about, and you don't need modern sciene to handle these things anyways, on top of it all.
Should we devolve prior to the hunter-gatherer stage (thereby eliminating agriculture)? Or would you be satisfied with a manual agrarian society? What do you see as a beautiful world, Kilik? Lots of tasty underground cities? Pyramids on Mars? The Grand Homogenous Inversion of the Sacred Spiral?

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[abortionman]

go to college and get an education you poor miserable excuse for a human being

oh, and i hope your first born gets choked to death by an umbilical cord

[GodlessHeathen]

Far be it from me to get this thread back on track, but. . .

http://www.sbcbaptistpress.org/bpcolumn.asp?ID=1910

This hit close to home for me, since my wife and I do not want children. It seems most of the column focuses on Christian couples, but the last paragraph set me off:

The church must help this society regain its sanity on the gift of children. Willful barrenness and chosen childlessness must be named as moral rebellion. To demand that marriage means sex -- but not children -- is to defraud the creator of His joy and pleasure in seeing the saints raising His children. That is just the way it is. No kidding.

[ghoulslime]

It seems Kilik has taken a very good thread an turned it into another knucklehead forum.

Back to the case in point! Christians are trying to subjugate the world, much like the Islamic fundamentalists. Christians seem to be more effective in this capacity, perhaps because they are more capable at putting a good political spin on their agendas.

I think there will be no choice but to meet these challenges to our freedom with legal battles at the very least. It may even come to violence one day.

If I could get away with it, I would gladly put a bullet in the heads of all tyrants such as this Acosta cocksucker. And I would be morally justified in doing so.

Mr. Acosta, you are a Christian Taliban ass wipe. Your mother was a 50 anal whore. I masturbate in your face!

[Bighead]

It seems Kilik has taken a very good thread an turned it into another knucklehead forum.

Back to the case in point! Christians are trying to subjugate the world, much like the Islamic fundamentalists. Christians seem to be more effective in this capacity, perhaps because they are more capable at putting a good political spin on their agendas.

I think there will be no choice but to meet these challenges to our freedom with legal battles at the very least. It may even come to violence one day.

If I could get away with it, I would gladly put a bullet in the heads of all tyrants such as this Acosta cocksucker. And I would be morally justified in doing so.

Mr. Acosta, you are a Christian Taliban ass wipe. Your mother was a 50 anal whore. I masturbate in your face!
Seems GS has taken a very good Kilik bashing and turned it into another good thread...let's get back on track and say what's really important.
Kilik is a Dick-Wad who cares for nothing. He is a hypocrite in saying that we should do no good and that no one deserves anything and then falling back on Karma which states (in a nutshell) that every one gets exactly what they deserve. Fuck you Kilik you Dick-Wad...oh, and I also hope your unborn child chokes to death on an umbilical cord you dick-wad. :o

[Bighead]

Well, we'll see who gets choked by an umbilical chord and who had correct thoughts won't we?
WHAT?! What are you SAYING man?!?

[Tenspace]

We knew this was coming: they're blaming New Orleans' hurricane damage on the city's decadence:

http://www.repentamerica.com/pr_hurricanekatrina.html

[Tenspace]

Argh... not a challenge to my freedoms, but bizarre nonetheless:

http://www.local6.com/news/4919401/detail.html

[calpurnpiso]

Argh... not a challenge to my freedoms, but bizarre nonetheless:

http://www.local6.com/news/4919401/detail.html
Thanks for the link. Here is a quote:

"Police have arrested the woman and charged her with child abuse and exposure of sexual organs.

The children range in age from 5 to 15 years old. Police say they will be turned over to relatives.

The woman says that God told her that she and her children should walk down the street naked.

Police haven't released her identity "

This clearly shows christ-psychosis neurological disorder...poor woman. Well, at least she did not drown her children....:)

[GodlessHeathen]

We knew this was coming: they're blaming New Orleans' hurricane damage on the city's decadence:

http://www.repentamerica.com/pr_hurricanekatrina.html
Has anybody ever postulated that maybe these natural disasters are occurring because Nature is pissed that America is so insanely Xtian? Or, maybe another god is pissed because Americans worship a false god.

[Bighead]

It's Allah's will

[Mog]

We knew this was coming: they're blaming New Orleans' hurricane damage on the city's decadence:

http://www.repentamerica.com/pr_hurricanekatrina.html
Has anybody ever postulated that maybe these natural disasters are occurring because Nature is pissed that America is so insanely Xtian? Or, maybe another god is pissed because Americans worship a false god.
Yes, actually.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/hurricane.asp

[ChiefOfAss]

That is why if someone does something bad it is not wrong to point it out. But due to modern society people don't belive what is bad is bad.
HEY - how do you justify using that computer you're pounding all those words into?

It's fine to be critical of modern society, but when you're critical of such elemental pieces of it... railing against the very essence of what makes society modern, you look like a hypocrite.

It would be like an abolitionist traveling to Washington, to wage his protest, while being carried on the backs of slaves.

You look like a fool.