Christian Mythology

[benjaminbp18]

To all the Christian fundies, here's a good read for ya. It's got alot of the stuff that your programmed by the church to ignore...

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

[demi]

Bible is not a novel
it's not a comic book
nor just another fiction essay

i'd like to tell you that
God spoke to His prophets
in parable mostly
so it is difficult to understand if you're not careful

only by the guidance of Holy Spirit
may lead you to the very truth of the bible

Bible is not a novel
it's not a comic book
nor just another fiction essay

it takes a painstaking attention and
wisdom.
wisdom that you may receive only by asking
to God in prayer

its the word of God
though it was written in many ways by many characters
it is infallable and God is capable to keep His words

[Choobus]

No, the bible is one thing: a work of fiction. Nothing more, and nothing less.

[benjaminbp18]

it takes a painstaking attention and
wisdom.
wisdom that you may receive only by asking
to God in prayer
Are you going to explain anything? Or are you simply going to tell me I'm just not smart enough to get it and avoid your incompetency in "educating" me in such matters by taking the subject into a realm that science nor logic can set it's foot (ie only by asking God). Pshhhh!!!!!!! Get a life, and a brain while your at it.

[kmisho]

How is the idea that god injects you with 'the truth' comparable with painstaking wisdom? It seems to me that there could be no easier way to gain knowledge than having god magically pump it into your brain. It doesn't require thought, or even time.

[ProveIt]

How is the idea that god injects you with 'the truth' comparable with painstaking wisdom? It seems to me that there could be no easier way to gain knowledge than having god magically pump it into your brain. It doesn't require thought, or even time.
If God 'implanted' these notions... Wouldn't it be possible to find at least two theists who have the exact same views and beliefs? Just two... come on... only two, that's all I'm asking for.

[vgrid101]

it takes a painstaking attention and
wisdom.
wisdom that you may receive only by asking
to God in prayer
Are you going to explain anything? Or are you simply going to tell me I'm just not smart enough to get it and avoid your incompetency in "educating" me in such matters by taking the subject into a realm that science nor logic can set it's foot (ie only by asking God). Pshhhh!!!!!!! Get a life, and a brain while your at it.
This is funny...

Benjamin says.. you say i'm not smart enough to be a christian, then he says demi isn't smart enough to be an athiest...

I KNOW YOU ARE, BUT WHAT AM I!

I'M RUBBER YOUR GLUE...

Excellent debate going on here...

"No, your not smart enough to be what i am.."

"no, your the dumb one..."

he he

*praying that someday everyone will be as dumb as me*

V

[Choobus]

How is the idea that god injects you with 'the truth' comparable with painstaking wisdom? It seems to me that there could be no easier way to gain knowledge than having god magically pump it into your brain. It doesn't require thought, or even time.
If God 'implanted' these notions... Wouldn't it be possible to find at least two theists who have the exact same views and beliefs? Just two... come on... only two, that's all I'm asking for.
Pat Roberts
Adolph Hitler

[Raiden936]

Bible is not a novel
it's not a comic book
nor just another fiction essay

i'd like to tell you that
God spoke to His prophets
in parable mostly
so it is difficult to understand if you're not careful

only by the guidance of Holy Spirit
may lead you to the very truth of the bible

Bible is not a novel
it's not a comic book
nor just another fiction essay

it takes a painstaking attention and
wisdom.
wisdom that you may receive only by asking
to God in prayer

its the word of God
though it was written in many ways by many characters
it is infallable and God is capable to keep His words
Quarn is not a novel
it's not a comic book
nor just another fiction essay

i'd like to tell you that
allah spoke to His prophets
in parable mostly
so it is difficult to understand if you're not careful

only by the guidance of Holy Spirit
may lead you to the very truth of the bible

Quran is not a novel
it's not a comic book
nor just another fiction essay

it takes a painstaking attention and
wisdom.
wisdom that you may receive only by asking
to allah in prayer

its the word of allah
though it was written in many ways by many characters
it is infallable and allah is capable to keep His words

[benjaminbp18]

Benjamin says.. you say i'm not smart enough to be a christian, then he says demi isn't smart enough to be an athiest...
I'm not making an atheist claim. Show me where in my post that I said this. You can't, because I didn't. Nor did I imply it.

Somebody else is making a religious claim, and not logically backing it up. Simple.
Excellent debate going on here...
You couldn't possibly be talking about ME...
it takes a painstaking attention and
wisdom.
wisdom that you may receive only by asking
to God in prayer

[demi]

How is the idea that god injects you with 'the truth' comparable with painstaking wisdom? It seems to me that there could be no easier way to gain knowledge than having god magically pump it into your brain. It doesn't require thought, or even time.
what could possibly hard is it to ask in prayer for wisdom ?
"injects you with the truth" explains that you're not willing to compromise to allow God's illumination. all because either you or the spirits inside of you are creating a barrier against it. it takes more that a manly wisdom to take you to heavenly wisdom.
we're living in a practical world that demands eveything to be easy and swift.
you know that there is no royal road to learning.

[demi]

Bible is not a novel
it's not a comic book
nor just another fiction essay

i'd like to tell you that
God spoke to His prophets
in parable mostly
so it is difficult to understand if you're not careful

only by the guidance of Holy Spirit
may lead you to the very truth of the bible

Bible is not a novel
it's not a comic book
nor just another fiction essay

it takes a painstaking attention and
wisdom.
wisdom that you may receive only by asking
to God in prayer

its the word of God
though it was written in many ways by many characters
it is infallable and God is capable to keep His words
Quarn is not a novel
it's not a comic book
nor just another fiction essay

i'd like to tell you that
allah spoke to His prophets
in parable mostly
so it is difficult to understand if you're not careful

only by the guidance of Holy Spirit
may lead you to the very truth of the bible

Quran is not a novel
it's not a comic book
nor just another fiction essay

it takes a painstaking attention and
wisdom.
wisdom that you may receive only by asking
to allah in prayer

its the word of allah
though it was written in many ways by many characters
it is infallable and allah is capable to keep His words
get your bible and if you don't have one, make a purchase or borrow then go to your room, pray to God for guidance then read it, all of it.
PS: don't do this if you don't feel like, it'll be for nothing.

[GodlessHeathen]

Most of us have already read the bible, demi. I do have to say, though that most of your posts don't make a lot of sense.

[demi]

it takes a painstaking attention and
wisdom.
wisdom that you may receive only by asking
to God in prayer
Are you going to explain anything? Or are you simply going to tell me I'm just not smart enough to get it and avoid your incompetency in "educating" me in such matters by taking the subject into a realm that science nor logic can set it's foot (ie only by asking God). Pshhhh!!!!!!! Get a life, and a brain while your at it.
i never feel superior over anyone, i'm sorry if i offended you which in some way implied in my last post. i'm saying that .. this God thing is way too complicated to accept with our small fist-sized brain. we're all incompetent and Godknows we all are. c'mon Benjamin, i believe that life is more than this... all i was trying to tell you that we will never comprehend Him without His kind help.

[demi]

Most of us have already read the bible, demi. I do have to say, though that most of your posts don't make a lot of sense.
most of you have read the bible, but have you understand ?

[Marquis de Sade]

So basically you are assuming your understanding is superior to ours, and that we cant see the truth.

Atheists have read and understood the same passages as you, but rather than be lulled into the tempting game of interpreting it to have whatever profound meaning we can think of, we have instead seen it for what it is.

[Choobus]

Bible =made up propoganda and/or bullshit


that's all you need to know

[Raiden936]

get your Quran and if you don't have one, make a purchase or borrow then go to your room, pray to allah for guidance then read it, all of it.
PS: don't do this if you don't feel like, it'll be for nothing.

[Choobus]

I will buy a quran, so I can shit on it like I shat on a bible once, and then put it back in the hotel drawer. The next person to look at it will be able to see straight away that it is full of shit :lol:

[ProveIt]

i never feel superior over anyone, i'm sorry if i offended you which in some way implied in my last post. i'm saying that .. this God thing is way too complicated to accept with our small fist-sized brain. we're all incompetent and Godknows we all are. c'mon Benjamin, i believe that life is more than this... all i was trying to tell you that we will never comprehend Him without His kind help.
Speak for yourself, I wipe my own ass... How freakin competent do you need to be to live really? What kind of restrictions are there? Seems like they're lettin just about anyone do it these days... If this 'God thing' is the only thing that my adequetly size brain does not 'comprehend', so be it... 'God' can have that one up on me.

Demi: Just a question, out out of line maybe... Do you feel it is okay for a man to beat his wife in a marriage? Sorry, maybe I'm picking up on a vibe that's just not there...

[kmisho]

How is the idea that god injects you with 'the truth' comparable with painstaking wisdom? It seems to me that there could be no easier way to gain knowledge than having god magically pump it into your brain. It doesn't require thought, or even time.
what could possibly hard is it to ask in prayer for wisdom ?
"injects you with the truth" explains that you're not willing to compromise to allow God's illumination. all because either you or the spirits inside of you are creating a barrier against it. it takes more that a manly wisdom to take you to heavenly wisdom.
we're living in a practical world that demands eveything to be easy and swift.
you know that there is no royal road to learning.
God is supposedly the one with all the power while I am but a lowly farting mammal. If god wants me illuminated he can trot his lazy ass down here and get to work.

[benjaminbp18]

most of you have read the bible, but have you understand ?
Once again demi, your poor argument: "you just don't understand. Ask God for help and you'll see"

I'd like to see you respond to the list of biblical contradictions with this knowledge that God has so readily given you. You'll probobly shit something out like, "you can only know with God". Enough of this five-year-old mentality nonsense. If you understand, DEMONSTRATE it. That means, quote directly from the list I provided at the beginning of this post and counter-argue it's "inaccuracy". (Or whatever it is you claim I don't understand)

[demi]

what is the atheists purpose in life ? what can you all offer what God Hasn't ? i assume you have no idea where will you be when you're dead ?! since you do not believe neither heaven nor hell . atheism doesn't narrow the choices. i depict atheism like this, a man who does not know what to choose between trillions of road sign with TRUTH written on each of them.

[benjaminbp18]

what is the atheists purpose in life ? what can you all offer what God Hasn't ? i assume you have no idea where will you be when you're dead ?! since you do not believe neither heaven nor hell . atheism doesn't narrow the choices. i depict atheism like this, a man who does not know what to choose between trillions of road sign with TRUTH written on each of them.
You have failed to do what I've asked. Instead, you have asked ME questions. Atheists don't know the answers to these questions and don't pretend to. They simply accept the fact that these things are unknowable. You can't prove yourself right by asking an UNANSWERABLE question, just so that you can provide one. It doesn't work that way.

[benjaminbp18]

what is the atheists purpose in life ?
Whatever one chooses it to be. In your case, you choose God and his will.
what can you all offer what God Hasn't ?
A better question would be, what has God offered? (Hypothetically). I'd say NOTHING, because he isn't there.
i assume you have no idea where will you be when you're dead ?!
Where do you get off thinking that you "go somewhere"? Remember what it was like before you were born?... Same as death.
i depict atheism like this, a man who does not know what to choose between trillions of road sign with TRUTH written on each of them.
Atheism is the unbelief in Gods or deities. SIMPLE, ay?
Truth requires evidence and logic, which you and millions of others like you simply fail to provide.

[demi]

most of you have read the bible, but have you understand ?
Once again demi, your poor argument: "you just don't understand. Ask God for help and you'll see"

I'd like to see you respond to the list of biblical contradictions with this knowledge that God has so readily given you. You'll probobly shit something out like, "you can only know with God". Enough of this five-year-old mentality nonsense. If you understand, DEMONSTRATE it. That means, quote directly from the list I provided at the beginning of this post and counter-argue it's "inaccuracy". (Or whatever it is you claim I don't understand)
its the word of God
though it was written in many ways by many characters
it is infallable and God is capable to keep His words

it was written by many characters not in the same time. Bible was written by his prophets (mortals) under God's supervision. unlike quran, it was directly given by "god himself" it was coming down from the sky (but god seemed to have difficulties to match quran with the last two holy scriptures he had given to man, it is proven by many fallacies and contradictions)

back on the bible
it's not about the text but more on what's in the text. dont be fooled on what you see but what you experience by demonstrating it counts.

[benjaminbp18]

it's not about the text but more on what's in the text. dont be fooled on what you see but what you experience by demonstrating it counts.
You've changed your position from "Ask God, and you will understand", to... "It's not about understanding, it's about FEELING". How quintessential. Demi, I was once a Christian. And I know that when Christian's are confronted with irrefutable evidence or logic contrary to what they believe, they brush it off and sort of say, "Yeah, well.....mmm...Ya just gotta have faith."

Demi, be mindful that your feelings can mislead you in an intellectual arena. When searching for reality, it's more effective to percieve and reason, rather than feel and hope.

[Tenspace]

what is the atheists purpose in life ?
To live it.

what can you all offer what God Hasn't ?
Reality. And Knowledge. We happily eat from the Tree of Knowledge every day. :)

i assume you have no idea where will you be when you're dead ?! since you do not believe neither heaven nor hell . atheism doesn't narrow the choices. i depict atheism like this, a man who does not know what to choose between trillions of road sign with TRUTH written on each of them.
That's really funny. So, you're telling me that there are trillions of truths? I don't think there are that many gods. :)

As for making a choice, I made a choice to leave behind 30+ years of believing in God, in exchange for enjoying my last years without a veil of ancient tribal mythology in front of my eyes.

[demi]

what is the atheists purpose in life ?
Whatever one chooses it to be. In your case, you choose God and his will.
what can you all offer what God Hasn't ?
A better question would be, what has God offered? (Hypothetically). I'd say NOTHING, because he isn't there.
i assume you have no idea where will you be when you're dead ?!
Where do you get off thinking that you "go somewhere"? Remember what it was like before you were born?... Same as death.
i depict atheism like this, a man who does not know what to choose between trillions of road sign with TRUTH written on each of them.
Atheism is the unbelief in Gods or deities. SIMPLE, ay?
Truth requires evidence and logic, which you and millions of others like you simply fail to provide.
A better question would be, what has God offered? (Hypothetically). I'd say NOTHING, because he isn't there.
God offers us freedom to choose, life or death. life which is in God wisdom or death in foolishness of human wisdom.


Where do you get off thinking that you "go somewhere"? Remember what it was like before you were born?... Same as death.
this is funny,all the things you've seen, heard, and all that was for nothing? i can assume you're saying all atheists are nothing. what a life. you're life is nothing then. i wonder why are you still here and breathing. think it over.


Atheism is the unbelief in Gods or deities. SIMPLE, ay?
Truth requires evidence and logic, which you and millions of others like you simply fail to provide
my existence is physically proven and logically accepted. if i say i am your God,would you buy it ?

[calpurnpiso]

what is the atheists purpose in life ?
Whatever one chooses it to be. In your case, you choose God and his will.
what can you all offer what God Hasn't ?
A better question would be, what has God offered? (Hypothetically). I'd say NOTHING, because he isn't there.
i assume you have no idea where will you be when you're dead ?!
Where do you get off thinking that you "go somewhere"? Remember what it was like before you were born?... Same as death.
i depict atheism like this, a man who does not know what to choose between trillions of road sign with TRUTH written on each of them.
Atheism is the unbelief in Gods or deities. SIMPLE, ay?
Truth requires evidence and logic, which you and millions of others like you simply fail to provide.
A better question would be, what has God offered? (Hypothetically). I'd say NOTHING, because he isn't there.
God offers us freedom to choose, life or death. life which is in God wisdom or death in foolishness of human wisdom.


Where do you get off thinking that you "go somewhere"? Remember what it was like before you were born?... Same as death.
this is funny,all the things you've seen, heard, and all that was for nothing? i can assume you're saying all atheists are nothing. what a life. you're life is nothing then. i wonder why are you still here and breathing. think it over.


Atheism is the unbelief in Gods or deities. SIMPLE, ay?
Truth requires evidence and logic, which you and millions of others like you simply fail to provide
my existence is physically proven and logically accepted. if i say i am your God,would you buy it ?
Care to try my JET ( Jesus Existence Test) and show us how real jesus is? and see if god has ANYTHING to offer, like saving people from falling? Enjoy:

JESUS EXISTENCE TEST- Drastic #1

Go to a top of a twenty story building bring a Babble start praying and quoting praying and still quoting and praying to the "Lord and Saviour" so he would assist you and save you when you Jumps from the top floor. Pray that "Saviour Jesus" make someone place matresses below, or make some truck driver carrying soft stuff, park his truck full of sponge rubber below to soften your landing. This should be very easy for this "saviour" since he has the ability to get into people's minds.

Well, the reality of it all will be that the Jesus Myth will NOT show up for prayers to any myth, including the tooth fairy, are never answered. Since he failed to show up or answer prayers you will find yourself splatered on the pavement below !. Jesus is plainly a mental aberration caused by a neurological disorder that exists ONLY on brains that are infected with a type of schizophrenic disorder or temporal lobe epylepsy which I define as Christ-psychosis. Jesus is a real as the Tooth Fairy, Sauroman or Allah..and besides, not matter how much one would praise his "name" he will be UNABLE to save us for he doesn't exist. We created gods and demons with our brains.

I suggest trying this crashing experience with servant, his faith is not strong enough to do it..:)

[Sternwallow]

"my existence is physically proven and logically accepted. if i say i am your God,would you buy it ?"

A deliberately stupid question is useless. We don't believe in God when He says it while hiding His existence, why on earth would we bleieve you claiming to be God with even less evidence that it might be so?

[demi]

what is the atheists purpose in life ?
To live it.

what can you all offer what God Hasn't ?
Reality. And Knowledge. We happily eat from the Tree of Knowledge every day. :)

i assume you have no idea where will you be when you're dead ?! since you do not believe neither heaven nor hell . atheism doesn't narrow the choices. i depict atheism like this, a man who does not know what to choose between trillions of road sign with TRUTH written on each of them.
That's really funny. So, you're telling me that there are trillions of truths? I don't think there are that many gods. :)

As for making a choice, I made a choice to leave behind 30+ years of believing in God, in exchange for enjoying my last years without a veil of ancient tribal mythology in front of my eyes.
then why don't you take a gun and put it directly to your head. you'll die soon or later, why are you still bother waking up in the morning, running that same old routinities. break that scorchful cycle. cause what have you got to live for? screw every people you meet, kill the cops, everyone you hate. screw the governments. join the terrorists, well at least they got something to die for, atheism makes you think life is once and for nothing. so be nothing.
biut i believe life is once and for something, so be something.

sorry, don't mean to harsh.

[benjaminbp18]

God offers us freedom to choose, life or death. life which is in God wisdom or death in foolishness of human wisdom.
I'd say NOTHING, because he isn't there. Since God exists in your mind, God offers whatever you want him to.
this is funny,all the things you've seen, heard, and all that was for nothing?
No, it's all about survival. It's the dynamics of natural selection. The "goal" of life is simply, to LIVE.
i can assume you're saying all atheists are nothing.
Never said that. They're organisms :)
what a life. you're life is nothing then.
My life is something. It's just not what YOU think it is or should be. If YOU need that concept of God to be happy and have richness in your life, that's YOUR issue. Doesn't mean others are the same.
i wonder why are you still here and breathing.
Well, I'm here because my matter is organized into my body, also constituating my brain from which my mind arises from it's complex behavior. I'm breathing because my species has evolved with the Krebs cycle as a production of energy, which requires the intake of oxygen.
think it over.
You've really given me nothing to think demi, nor anything that I haven't heard hundreds of times before.

[demi]

what is the atheists purpose in life ?
Whatever one chooses it to be. In your case, you choose God and his will.
what can you all offer what God Hasn't ?
A better question would be, what has God offered? (Hypothetically). I'd say NOTHING, because he isn't there.
i assume you have no idea where will you be when you're dead ?!
Where do you get off thinking that you "go somewhere"? Remember what it was like before you were born?... Same as death.

Atheism is the unbelief in Gods or deities. SIMPLE, ay?
Truth requires evidence and logic, which you and millions of others like you simply fail to provide.
A better question would be, what has God offered? (Hypothetically). I'd say NOTHING, because he isn't there.
God offers us freedom to choose, life or death. life which is in God wisdom or death in foolishness of human wisdom.


Where do you get off thinking that you "go somewhere"? Remember what it was like before you were born?... Same as death.
this is funny,all the things you've seen, heard, and all that was for nothing? i can assume you're saying all atheists are nothing. what a life. you're life is nothing then. i wonder why are you still here and breathing. think it over.


Atheism is the unbelief in Gods or deities. SIMPLE, ay?
Truth requires evidence and logic, which you and millions of others like you simply fail to provide
my existence is physically proven and logically accepted. if i say i am your God,would you buy it ?
Care to try my JET ( Jesus Existence Test) and show us how real jesus is? and see if god has ANYTHING to offer, like saving people from falling? Enjoy:

JESUS EXISTENCE TEST- Drastic #1

Go to a top of a twenty story building bring a Babble start praying and quoting praying and still quoting and praying to the "Lord and Saviour" so he would assist you and save you when you Jumps from the top floor. Pray that "Saviour Jesus" make someone place matresses below, or make some truck driver carrying soft stuff, park his truck full of sponge rubber below to soften your landing. This should be very easy for this "saviour" since he has the ability to get into people's minds.

Well, the reality of it all will be that the Jesus Myth will NOT show up for prayers to any myth, including the tooth fairy, are never answered. Since he failed to show up or answer prayers you will find yourself splatered on the pavement below !. Jesus is plainly a mental aberration caused by a neurological disorder that exists ONLY on brains that are infected with a type of schizophrenic disorder or temporal lobe epylepsy which I define as Christ-psychosis. Jesus is a real as the Tooth Fairy, Sauroman or Allah..and besides, not matter how much one would praise his "name" he will be UNABLE to save us for he doesn't exist. We created gods and demons with our brains.

I suggest trying this crashing experience with servant, his faith is not strong enough to do it..:)
i can't do that. never put God to a test.

[snap crafter]

what is the atheists purpose in life ?
To live it.

what can you all offer what God Hasn't ?
Reality. And Knowledge. We happily eat from the Tree of Knowledge every day. :)

i assume you have no idea where will you be when you're dead ?! since you do not believe neither heaven nor hell . atheism doesn't narrow the choices. i depict atheism like this, a man who does not know what to choose between trillions of road sign with TRUTH written on each of them.
That's really funny. So, you're telling me that there are trillions of truths? I don't think there are that many gods. :)

As for making a choice, I made a choice to leave behind 30+ years of believing in God, in exchange for enjoying my last years without a veil of ancient tribal mythology in front of my eyes.
then why don't you take a gun and put it directly to your head. you'll die soon or later, why are you still bother waking up in the morning, running that same old routinities. break that scorchful cycle. cause what have you got to live for? screw every people you meet, kill the cops, everyone you hate. screw the governments. join the terrorists, well at least they got something to die for, atheism makes you think life is once and for nothing. so be nothing.
biut i believe life is once and for something, so be something.

sorry, don't mean to harsh.
Oh my god, how can you possibly be this deluded? I'm curious, can you tie your shoes without praying to god to remind you how?

To answer you questino though, I don't put a gun to my noggin' because I gots this one life and I'm gonna live it in the most fun way I can think of, sex, debating, and learning. I wouldn't do those things you suggest because that would kinda throw a hitch into the whole fun of it.

Now let me ask you, if you believe that after you die, you'll be in this magical place with farting pixies that resemble President Bush Sr. and will feed you grapes from watermelons eight times in a day (which will last for 98 hours) though you don't need it cause your dead and there's god to give you a high-five every few minutes for doing such a good job...

Any way, if you believe that heaven is your target, why waste your life on this earth? you have nothing to gain here, it is all in the hereafter right? Why do you avoid death like the plague if your so sure in this? why would parents protect you if they think you'll just end up in heaven? I think you know why, it's because in the back of your mind, in the critical thinking zone, you really don't believe it. You doubt. You deny the holy spirit, and it frightens you because it is the one unforgivable sin.

There is no hell demi, there is no heaven, there is this life, and to waste it is truly a hellworthy cause.

[garylc1]

It's the same old story; believers, in what ever god they have, are full of fear especially death. There has to be an afterlife because of their fear of living. And also there had to be stronger leaders in ancient times to give these fearful people a god to counter the panic and curb crime and savagery. Although savagery is still prevailent to a very high percentage of people in this world I believe, in my opinion, christians have demonstrated far more savagery than some other forms of religion. You can see by her comments that if she were able to overcome this delusion of god in the bible she would probably do the very things she suggests we do et al commit crimes.
She is highly delusional and probably very dangerous and needs god's will in her life to control her violent nature.

[calpurnpiso]

what is the atheists purpose in life ?
Whatever one chooses it to be. In your case, you choose God and his will.
what can you all offer what God Hasn't ?
A better question would be, what has God offered? (Hypothetically). I'd say NOTHING, because he isn't there.
i assume you have no idea where will you be when you're dead ?!
Where do you get off thinking that you "go somewhere"? Remember what it was like before you were born?... Same as death.

Atheism is the unbelief in Gods or deities. SIMPLE, ay?
Truth requires evidence and logic, which you and millions of others like you simply fail to provide.
A better question would be, what has God offered? (Hypothetically). I'd say NOTHING, because he isn't there.
God offers us freedom to choose, life or death. life which is in God wisdom or death in foolishness of human wisdom.


Where do you get off thinking that you "go somewhere"? Remember what it was like before you were born?... Same as death.
this is funny,all the things you've seen, heard, and all that was for nothing? i can assume you're saying all atheists are nothing. what a life. you're life is nothing then. i wonder why are you still here and breathing. think it over.


Atheism is the unbelief in Gods or deities. SIMPLE, ay?
Truth requires evidence and logic, which you and millions of others like you simply fail to provide
my existence is physically proven and logically accepted. if i say i am your God,would you buy it ?
Care to try my JET ( Jesus Existence Test) and show us how real jesus is? and see if god has ANYTHING to offer, like saving people from falling? Enjoy:

JESUS EXISTENCE TEST- Drastic #1

Go to a top of a twenty story building bring a Babble start praying and quoting praying and still quoting and praying to the "Lord and Saviour" so he would assist you and save you when you Jumps from the top floor. Pray that "Saviour Jesus" make someone place matresses below, or make some truck driver carrying soft stuff, park his truck full of sponge rubber below to soften your landing. This should be very easy for this "saviour" since he has the ability to get into people's minds.

Well, the reality of it all will be that the Jesus Myth will NOT show up for prayers to any myth, including the tooth fairy, are never answered. Since he failed to show up or answer prayers you will find yourself splatered on the pavement below !. Jesus is plainly a mental aberration caused by a neurological disorder that exists ONLY on brains that are infected with a type of schizophrenic disorder or temporal lobe epylepsy which I define as Christ-psychosis. Jesus is a real as the Tooth Fairy, Sauroman or Allah..and besides, not matter how much one would praise his "name" he will be UNABLE to save us for he doesn't exist. We created gods and demons with our brains.

I suggest trying this crashing experience with servant, his faith is not strong enough to do it..:)
i can't do that. never put God to a test.
I'm not putting god to a test, since i already KNOW it doesn't exist. I'm putting YOU to a test so you are able to realize it, and LAND in the real world.....amazing you did not get it..but Christ-psychotics, as well as those people infected with schizophrenia and temporal lobe epilepsy never do.....:)

[GodlessHeathen]

its the word of God
though it was written in many ways by many characters
it is infallable and God is capable to keep His words

it was written by many characters not in the same time. Bible was written by his prophets (mortals) under God's supervision. unlike quran, it was directly given by "god himself" it was coming down from the sky (but god seemed to have difficulties to match quran with the last two holy scriptures he had given to man, it is proven by many fallacies and contradictions)
If that's true, demi, then why was it edited and re-written?* If it is the perfect, inerrant word of your god, and your god is perfect and omni-everything, then it would seem like he wouldn't need rough drafts.




*source - The Bible Unearthed by Finkelstein and Silberman

[oliverwxyz]

what is the atheists purpose in life ? what can you all offer what God Hasn't ? i assume you have no idea where will you be when you're dead ?! since you do not believe neither heaven nor hell . atheism doesn't narrow the choices. i depict atheism like this, a man who does not know what to choose between trillions of road sign with TRUTH written on each of them.
This argumeNt that theRe is no 'purpose' withut religion is crap. If religion is true then everything in human life - or relationships, our creativity and inventions, our hArd-work and good deeds, our joys and sorrows, all count for nothing because God considers us all hopeless sinners and just not good enough for him and the only goal and purpose of life is to go to Hell and suffer for eternity for our failure to live up to God's perfect ideals (which no human he ever created managed to, so a bit of a botched job on the creation front..) unless we have the right beliefs in a fairy story about God becoming Jesus so as to 'die for our sins'. Why is a brave atteMpt to live a good and full life - THIS life, that we all KNOW exists - without the crutch of silly beliefs or the expectation of some life beyonD this one, any less'meaningful'?

And sorry, but what are these 'trillions of signs' about the 'truth' of the Xtain religion? They seem quite unimpressive to millions of atheists/freethinkers and also billions of believers in other faiths. It is easier to accept on faith so-called 'religious truths' than to use your reason and work things out for yourself. Because it is easier and lazier to have vague religious beliefs (and only slightly harder to have strong ones) rather than actually read the BIble carefully and study church history, comparative religion etc and realise the shortcomings of religion, most people don't get round to it.

Oliver

[oliverwxyz]

then why don't you take a gun and put it directly to your head. you'll die soon or later, why are you still bother waking up in the morning, running that same old routinities. break that scorchful cycle. cause what have you got to live for? screw every people you meet, kill the cops, everyone you hate. screw the governments. join the terrorists, well at least they got something to die for, atheism makes you think life is once and for nothing. so be nothing.
biut i believe life is once and for something, so be something.

sorry, don't mean to harsh.
Demi - can;t you get it into your skull that life can have meaning without God? It has meaning through human relationships and pursuing happiness, using our talents etc It doesn;t take fear of God and hellfire to do good and lead a moral life - for a start if you want a fear motivation , there is the law and criminal justice system. Otherwise you can do good because it leads to a happier community, happier families, happier individuals. It's just about cooperation and getting along with each other. Most people prefer this to chaos and anarchy and a lot of crime in any case comes out of deprivation of some kind or anger or desperation. humans aren't 'bad' on the whole. What's more killing yourself if you are atheist makes no sense at all because you would be depriving yourself of this one life you've got and its chances to experience this interesting and sometimes beautiful world. It makes more sense for a religious believer to kill themselves to go to their God - which, unfortinately is what some are ready to do, like Islamic suicide bombers.

Oliver

[Daniel]

A life with God is pointless and terrifying.

[Choobus]

A life with God is pointless and terrifying.
So is a life in prison. The only difference is, you are not getting fucked in the ass figuratively :o

[Daniel]

A life with God is pointless and terrifying.
So is a life in prison. The only difference is, you are not getting fucked in the ass figuratively :o
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

First ever use of Smilies!

[demi]

its the word of God
though it was written in many ways by many characters
it is infallable and God is capable to keep His words

it was written by many characters not in the same time. Bible was written by his prophets (mortals) under God's supervision. unlike quran, it was directly given by "god himself" it was coming down from the sky (but god seemed to have difficulties to match quran with the last two holy scriptures he had given to man, it is proven by many fallacies and contradictions)
If that's true, demi, then why was it edited and re-written?* If it is the perfect, inerrant word of your god, and your god is perfect and omni-everything, then it would seem like he wouldn't need rough drafts.


from the first post i have told you all to read the bible attentively, you can read this subject if you read it more meticulouslyand thoroughly. God teaches us to be a learning being not an animal which takes this life as it is. first contact with the human God spoke directly,He was audible then. later He found that man was no longer obedient to what He say. He was dissapointed and mad. because of sin we have lost the privilege to talk to God face to face,so He decided to speak through other medium, His prophets. and again, since adam and eve have fallen to sin. they embrace sin for the rest of their life and generated sinful being. we are sinful and tend to hear what we think is right, instead of asking God what is right.

*source - The Bible Unearthed by Finkelstein and Silberman

[demi]

its the word of God
though it was written in many ways by many characters
it is infallable and God is capable to keep His words

it was written by many characters not in the same time. Bible was written by his prophets (mortals) under God's supervision. unlike quran, it was directly given by "god himself" it was coming down from the sky (but god seemed to have difficulties to match quran with the last two holy scriptures he had given to man, it is proven by many fallacies and contradictions)
If that's true, demi, then why was it edited and re-written?* If it is the perfect, inerrant word of your god, and your god is perfect and omni-everything, then it would seem like he wouldn't need rough drafts.


from the first post i have told you all to read the bible attentively, you can read this subject if you read it more meticulouslyand thoroughly. God teaches us to be a learning being not an animal which takes this life as what it is. first contact with the human God spoke directly,He was audible then. later He found that man was no longer obedient to what He say. He was dissapointed and mad. because of sin we have lost the privilege to talk to God face to face,so He decided to speak through other medium, His prophets. since adam and eve have fallen to sin. they embrace sin for the rest of their life and generated sinful being. we are sinful and tend to hear what we think is right, instead of asking God what is right.
there is nothing radically wrong with being edited and re-written, man make mistakes, but there has been no changes of meaning of the verses.




*source - The Bible Unearthed by Finkelstein and Silberman

[Choobus]

A life with God is pointless and terrifying.
So is a life in prison. The only difference is, you are not getting fucked in the ass figuratively :o
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

First ever use of Smilies!
choobus is pleased to have made you use the smiles :P

[demi]

It's the same old story; believers, in what ever god they have, are full of fear especially death. There has to be an afterlife because of their fear of living. And also there had to be stronger leaders in ancient times to give these fearful people a god to counter the panic and curb crime and savagery. Although savagery is still prevailent to a very high percentage of people in this world I believe, in my opinion, christians have demonstrated far more savagery than some other forms of religion. You can see by her comments that if she were able to overcome this delusion of god in the bible she would probably do the very things she suggests we do et al commit crimes.
She is highly delusional and probably very dangerous and needs god's will in her life to control her violent nature.
c'mon. would you buy it ? i wasn't talking to a 7 years old boy, that's one thing i am certain of.

[demi]

what is the atheists purpose in life ?
To live it.


Reality. And Knowledge. We happily eat from the Tree of Knowledge every day. :)


That's really funny. So, you're telling me that there are trillions of truths? I don't think there are that many gods. :)

As for making a choice, I made a choice to leave behind 30+ years of believing in God, in exchange for enjoying my last years without a veil of ancient tribal mythology in front of my eyes.
then why don't you take a gun and put it directly to your head. you'll die soon or later, why are you still bother waking up in the morning, running that same old routinities. break that scorchful cycle. cause what have you got to live for? screw every people you meet, kill the cops, everyone you hate. screw the governments. join the terrorists, well at least they got something to die for, atheism makes you think life is once and for nothing. so be nothing.
biut i believe life is once and for something, so be something.

sorry, don't mean to harsh.
Oh my god, how can you possibly be this deluded? I'm curious, can you tie your shoes without praying to god to remind you how?

To answer you questino though, I don't put a gun to my noggin' because I gots this one life and I'm gonna live it in the most fun way I can think of, sex, debating, and learning. I wouldn't do those things you suggest because that would kinda throw a hitch into the whole fun of it.

Now let me ask you, if you believe that after you die, you'll be in this magical place with farting pixies that resemble President Bush Sr. and will feed you grapes from watermelons eight times in a day (which will last for 98 hours) though you don't need it cause your dead and there's god to give you a high-five every few minutes for doing such a good job...

Any way, if you believe that heaven is your target, why waste your life on this earth? you have nothing to gain here, it is all in the hereafter right? Why do you avoid death like the plague if your so sure in this? why would parents protect you if they think you'll just end up in heaven? I think you know why, it's because in the back of your mind, in the critical thinking zone, you really don't believe it. You doubt. You deny the holy spirit, and it frightens you because it is the one unforgivable sin.

There is no hell demi, there is no heaven, there is this life, and to waste it is truly a hellworthy cause.
Why do you avoid death like the plague
how many times do i have to tell you , read your bible attentively and thoroughly before you post anything. christians don't avoid death, because death was defeated by the resurrection of Christ. and there are many cases in the earlier christianity that they died defending what they believe in.

why would parents protect you if they think you'll just end up in heaven?
that is really sad if your parents ever said to you that you're going to heaven when you're dead. it is something not biblical.

i believe in the back of my mind that there is more to life than this. life which leads to God

[demi]

"my existence is physically proven and logically accepted. if i say i am your God,would you buy it ?"

A deliberately stupid question is useless. We don't believe in God when He says it while hiding His existence, why on earth would we bleieve you claiming to be God with even less evidence that it might be so?
if you can't see something, it doesn't mean it's not there. well, i can't see your brain. but it doesn't mean it's not there.

[Choobus]

"my existence is physically proven and logically accepted. if i say i am your God,would you buy it ?"

A deliberately stupid question is useless. We don't believe in God when He says it while hiding His existence, why on earth would we bleieve you claiming to be God with even less evidence that it might be so?
if you can't see something, it doesn't mean it's not there. well, i can't see your brain. but it doesn't mean it's not there.
demi, a deliberately stupid statement is just as useless as a deliberately stupid question

[demi]

what is so stupid with believing the unseen ?

[Choobus]

you can "see" a brain. Here's one now, from a PET scan.

http://ravingatheist.com/forum/img/uploads/brain.gif

[Tenspace]

what is the atheists purpose in life ?
To live it.

what can you all offer what God Hasn't ?
Reality. And Knowledge. We happily eat from the Tree of Knowledge every day. :)

i assume you have no idea where will you be when you're dead ?! since you do not believe neither heaven nor hell . atheism doesn't narrow the choices. i depict atheism like this, a man who does not know what to choose between trillions of road sign with TRUTH written on each of them.
That's really funny. So, you're telling me that there are trillions of truths? I don't think there are that many gods. :)

As for making a choice, I made a choice to leave behind 30+ years of believing in God, in exchange for enjoying my last years without a veil of ancient tribal mythology in front of my eyes.
then why don't you take a gun and put it directly to your head. you'll die soon or later, why are you still bother waking up in the morning, running that same old routinities.
Did you not read what I wrote? I enjoy life. I enjoy living. Why would I want to kill myself? Do you think that everyone who doesn't agree with you should die? That's not very Christian.

break that scorchful cycle. cause what have you got to live for? screw every people you meet, kill the cops, everyone you hate. screw the governments. join the terrorists, well at least they got something to die for, atheism makes you think life is once and for nothing. so be nothing.
biut i believe life is once and for something, so be something.

sorry, don't mean to harsh.
What makes you think like this? You are mistaken about atheism. It's not evil, we're not Tools of Satan.

And, no, I don't accept your apology for being too harsh. Sounds more like you've been misled as to what atheism means. People like you who spew lies about non-believers disgust me. You need to re-consider your xenophobia, if you care about other humans.

[Rhetorical]

what is the atheists purpose in life ? what can you all offer what God Hasn't ? i assume you have no idea where will you be when you're dead ?! since you do not believe neither heaven nor hell . atheism doesn't narrow the choices. i depict atheism like this, a man who does not know what to choose between trillions of road sign with TRUTH written on each of them.
The same purpose as anyone else, to enjoy it, to have fun, to learn, and just to live and make sure we live on with kids.
Why are you comparing us? We are human as well. We follow the law, we have rules, we simply don't need to hear any bull crap about a God when we have cold hard facts that he doesn't exist.

I think the bible was made for numerous reasons. Such as to keep us in order, to tell us whats right and wrong, and not to be scared about dying and to prevent us from living in fear of dying all of our lives, so we can live in peace. Hell is just to get people to be good. But then it changed and before we know it, if we don't believe in Jesus, we automatically go to hell. Instead of the old be good and you won't go to hell.

Remember, that's MY opinion.

[kmisho]

Theists always talk about god giving their life purpose, but never can say what that purpose is.

I'd liek to hear what a theist thinks is his purpose.

[GodlessHeathen]

Theists always talk about god giving their life purpose, but never can say what that purpose is.

I'd liek to hear what a theist thinks is his purpose.
That's because god hasn't told them yet.

[myst7426]

Demi, what is it that makes humans above/better/something other than animals?

Theorhetical question:

Suppose you grew up in a society where the belief in Hinduism consists of 95% of the population.
Every day, you are bombarded with Hinduism. Your parents are Hindu. Your friends are Hindu. Would you be an Hindu assuming you were taught nothing other than Hindu by Hindus? And you do have access to the knowlegde of Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, and any other religion.

The reason you believe in god is because it is part of your culture and tradition. It has been a part of your life and everyone around you since you were born.

As for the afterlife, you have not experienced anything but life. So there must be an afterlife right? It is inconcievable that at the moment of death, you are no more, you no longer exist. Everything you were as person is gone forever. So there must be an afterlife. Anything else in unimaginable. Death is impossible to imagine since we cannot experience it. We only experience the momments leading up to it. We only experience life.

As for your belief in god. Good for you. I respect that. I respect a persons belief in religion. It is comforting to them. I do not like it when those beliefs are forced upon others.

[demi]

some of atheists here often times raving fiercely against christianity, based on that fact i can assume that some of you were once disappointed by your churches. this is the most case you can find in almost "a was once christian". Karl Marx for example.

sometimes we let our own pain gets rotten and fester, and tend to close our eyes to it.

[Mog]

demi, you are aware that Karl Marx was never Christian, but in fact was Jewish? Oops, thats not correct, you're right. His father converted to Lutheran for business reasons.. which I suppose seems to prove your point. He seemed to view religion with a rational view, though. His secondary thesis was "Religion: The Glue That Binds Society Together"

Now, I agree that many atheists become atheist for non-rational reasons, but I think many of that group tends to move into some alternative religion. I don't think atheism has a lot of appeal to the non-skeptical.

[Sternwallow]

Now, I agree that many atheists become atheist for non-rational reasons, but I think many of that group tends to move into some alternative religion. I don't think atheism has a lot of appeal to the non-skeptical.
I concur.

[demi]

Demi, what is it that makes humans above/better/something other than animals?

Theorhetical question:

Suppose you grew up in a society where the belief in Hinduism consists of 95% of the population.
Every day, you are bombarded with Hinduism. Your parents are Hindu. Your friends are Hindu. Would you be an Hindu assuming you were taught nothing other than Hindu by Hindus? And you do have access to the knowlegde of Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, and any other religion.

The reason you believe in god is because it is part of your culture and tradition. It has been a part of your life and everyone around you since you were born.

As for the afterlife, you have not experienced anything but life. So there must be an afterlife right? It is inconcievable that at the moment of death, you are no more, you no longer exist. Everything you were as person is gone forever. So there must be an afterlife. Anything else in unimaginable. Death is impossible to imagine since we cannot experience it. We only experience the momments leading up to it. We only experience life.

As for your belief in god. Good for you. I respect that. I respect a persons belief in religion. It is comforting to them. I do not like it when those beliefs are forced upon others.
the reason why i believe in God is faith, faith comes to hope. there are many times i witnessed hope prevails when logic used up. and i didn't ... (God knows i didn't) make any attempt to force my belief to any of you. it would even be an unstrategically bad move if i were to christianize you.

[Choobus]

christianize is a wonderful verb and should be immediately accepted into common usage.

Let's say one is negotiating with a prostitute:

Hello miss, I was wondering how much you charge

Well, I have a sliding scale, it rather depends what kinds of activities you were interested in.

Er, well, I'm quite curious about anal sex, how much would it cost for me to christianize you?

How dare you sir! I may be a filthy prostitute, but even I have limits. Good day to you.

I'm sorry, er....

I said good day!

(These are London hookers by the way. They don't have many teeth, but they are awfully polite.)

[Sternwallow]

the reason why i believe in God is faith, faith comes to hope.
Maybe that is why you believe in some sort of god, but, without indoctrination by your parents, church and/or society, you wouldn't know which god, out of thousands, to believe in. Faith is NOT enough.

[Rat Bastard]

Demi, what is it that makes humans above/better/something other than animals?

Theorhetical question:

Suppose you grew up in a society where the belief in Hinduism consists of 95% of the population.
Every day, you are bombarded with Hinduism. Your parents are Hindu. Your friends are Hindu. Would you be an Hindu assuming you were taught nothing other than Hindu by Hindus? And you do have access to the knowlegde of Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, and any other religion.

The reason you believe in god is because it is part of your culture and tradition. It has been a part of your life and everyone around you since you were born.

As for the afterlife, you have not experienced anything but life. So there must be an afterlife right? It is inconcievable that at the moment of death, you are no more, you no longer exist. Everything you were as person is gone forever. So there must be an afterlife. Anything else in unimaginable. Death is impossible to imagine since we cannot experience it. We only experience the momments leading up to it. We only experience life.

As for your belief in god. Good for you. I respect that. I respect a persons belief in religion. It is comforting to them. I do not like it when those beliefs are forced upon others.
the reason why i believe in God is faith, faith comes to hope. there are many times i witnessed hope prevails when logic used up. and i didn't ... (God knows i didn't) make any attempt to force my belief to any of you. it would even be an unstrategically bad move if i were to christianize you.
Sorry, but hope/belive in one hand and defecate in the other. Then squeeze both and see which comes true. Maybe the christians that come here are looking for why they are uncomfortable with their religion? I came here in the beginning to find kindred people. Unless you are really on a mission from god to convert/save us, why waste your time? Of course, some of the posts I have seen here from christians in particular, have been pretty crazy.

[demi]

yea, i'm not hostile. i'm just spillin' my thought. and see what's coming of reaction.

[ProveIt]

yea, i'm not hostile. i'm just spillin' my thought. and see what's coming of reaction.
This post is in all seriousness and in no way meant to be rude or in bad taste... it just may clear something up.
Demi are you hard of hearing? In the literal sense? Are you deaf? I seem to remember something about when (some) deaf people write, or even when they speak, the tend to leave out common words. Not because of ignornace, that's not at all where I'm going, but because (correct me if I'm wrong) the words don't really have a place in sign language. Your writing seems to lack a quality, but there does seem to be some sort of message behind it. And I don't want to continue to jump all over your shht because of something that is not in your power to control. (At least not without some serious effort, and it still just a may be that a change could be acheivable.) And I apologize if anyone is deaf and I have offended you. This is a serious question and I have meant no harm.

[lux ferre]

Demi wrote:
the reason why i believe in God is faith, faith comes to hope.
I have always loved mythology. When someone mentions hope it always reminds me of the Pandoras box story. You know...same old repetetive religious narrative pattern....god/s say/s don't do "x", mortal says, "what the hell" and does it anyway....chaos and wrath and smiting ensue (cue wailing and gnashing of teeth).....I digress. Anyway, Pandora opens this box and lets all the evils into the world (religion, politics, microsoft:lol:) and all that's left in the box is hope. The more I have thought about this the more I think that hope is just another evil that didn't get out. Anyway a little story for my 1st post, goodnight humans;).

[demi]

yea, i'm not hostile. i'm just spillin' my thought. and see what's coming of reaction.
This post is in all seriousness and in no way meant to be rude or in bad taste... it just may clear something up.
Demi are you hard of hearing? In the literal sense? Are you deaf? I seem to remember something about when (some) deaf people write, or even when they speak, the tend to leave out common words. Not because of ignornace, that's not at all where I'm going, but because (correct me if I'm wrong) the words don't really have a place in sign language. Your writing seems to lack a quality, but there does seem to be some sort of message behind it. And I don't want to continue to jump all over your shht because of something that is not in your power to control. (At least not without some serious effort, and it still just a may be that a change could be acheivable.) And I apologize if anyone is deaf and I have offended you. This is a serious question and I have meant no harm.
a car crash in 1999 led me to a point that had changed my whole entire life. i was hospitalized ad they had to run a surgery on my eardrum ( tympanum nerve) and my throat, i was completely unable to communicate audibly. no one have no idea what i have to put up with for the past couple of years, it's pretty hard to fit in in the community, everything was not the same as it used to be. as i struggle for life, a friend of mine, Richard came to me and asked me to visit a local church. this church was no church i've ever seen before, it was obviously not a catholic church, when i came into this simply decorated church, i was surprised by the attendants at the church were saying prayers like crazy as if they were mumbling and they're hands were held upon some people who knelt on the floor, some were crying, some were shouting, and some were just seriously in prayer. later then i found that it was a healing ritual, i never believed such medication, i was skeptical then. but a verse in the old testament saying that "I AM YOUR GOD THAT HEALETH THEE" that i remembered so well struck me so. curious, i step forward and they started to pray for me. they told me that i have to forgive to be forgiven then i could be purged and accept the healing. i started to pray and suddenly i felt warmth over my head down through the whole body, i thought i must have been dreaming the time i heard voices down and low and at the same time they told me to open my mouth and started speaking, it was not clear at first, but gradually progessive. i keep praying that someday God will answer my prayer so that i can hear and speak loud and clear like i used to be. amazing how a faith could release such power of miracle to heal the sick. i've been there and witness how powerful my God is.

it's all a matter of having faith. then you'll see what God capable of.

[kmisho]

it's all a matter of having faith. then you'll see what God capable of.
Quaint story. I have heard it a 1000 times...

You must realize that asking an atheist to have faith in order to make withdrawls from god's bank account is like asking YOU to believe in Zeus.

Having faith inorder to believe something is bass-ackwards. If you BEGIN by having faith in the reality of something then ipso facto you believe it's real. You can't get to god by faith. Faith in god already assumes the conclusion that there is a god.

If I decided to have faith that there were chocolate people on Mars then, as far as I am concerned, there are chocoloate people on Mars.

This is why I say that with faith you can believe ANYTHING...literally. Faith = gullibility.

[Mog]

It sounds like Demi was decieved by the power of suggestion. Our mind and body behaves in such a way that if it thinks something is helping it, it has a feedback effect where it actually is affected. Demi was experiencing a version of the placebo effect.

the acceptance of the correlation between religion and her health is strengthened even more because our egos don't like to accept that they've been decieved or compromised, so we associate the effect with something external to ourselves.

I suppose thats the one beneficial thing about faith. You can invoke the placebo effect at will, making your natural healing processes stronger.

[ProveIt]

yea, i'm not hostile. i'm just spillin' my thought. and see what's coming of reaction.
This post is in all seriousness and in no way meant to be rude or in bad taste... it just may clear something up.
Demi are you hard of hearing? In the literal sense? Are you deaf? I seem to remember something about when (some) deaf people write, or even when they speak, the tend to leave out common words. Not because of ignornace, that's not at all where I'm going, but because (correct me if I'm wrong) the words don't really have a place in sign language. Your writing seems to lack a quality, but there does seem to be some sort of message behind it. And I don't want to continue to jump all over your shht because of something that is not in your power to control. (At least not without some serious effort, and it still just a may be that a change could be acheivable.) And I apologize if anyone is deaf and I have offended you. This is a serious question and I have meant no harm.
a car crash in 1999 led me to a point that had changed my whole entire life. i was hospitalized ad they had to run a surgery on my eardrum ( tympanum nerve) and my throat, i was completely unable to communicate audibly. no one have no idea what i have to put up with for the past couple of years, it's pretty hard to fit in in the community, everything was not the same as it used to be. as i struggle for life, a friend of mine, Richard came to me and asked me to visit a local church. this church was no church i've ever seen before, it was obviously not a catholic church, when i came into this simply decorated church, i was surprised by the attendants at the church were saying prayers like crazy as if they were mumbling and they're hands were held upon some people who knelt on the floor, some were crying, some were shouting, and some were just seriously in prayer. later then i found that it was a healing ritual, i never believed such medication, i was skeptical then. but a verse in the old testament saying that "I AM YOUR GOD THAT HEALETH THEE" that i remembered so well struck me so. curious, i step forward and they started to pray for me. they told me that i have to forgive to be forgiven then i could be purged and accept the healing. i started to pray and suddenly i felt warmth over my head down through the whole body, i thought i must have been dreaming the time i heard voices down and low and at the same time they told me to open my mouth and started speaking, it was not clear at first, but gradually progessive. i keep praying that someday God will answer my prayer so that i can hear and speak loud and clear like i used to be. amazing how a faith could release such power of miracle to heal the sick. i've been there and witness how powerful my God is.

it's all a matter of having faith. then you'll see what God capable of.
That was all logic and reason escaping your body... please come back to Earth...lol

So, you have partial hearing and some speach. Man, sounds like it's a good thing you didn't leave it up to God to heal the immediate injury. Good thing there was a surgeon on hand, led by science no doubt. I wonder where he acquired the knowledge to perform such 'miracles'. God must have just told him where to sew.

I don't mean to make light of your injuries... but God is not healing you. You are a fighter and you are proving your own part of natural selection. You didn't just lay down and give up when faced with a life altering experience. I'm sorry that you had to seek friendship and acceptance through a church. Again, I believe that this could fall into the 'need for socialization category'. Especially if you felt a disconnection after losing your hearing.