cal who is your God

[Yesusfriend]

Cal Who/what is your God:)

[Yesusfriend]

He is The God the One and Only God
Who is, Who was, and Who is to come.

[Choobus]

He is The God the One and Only God
Who is, Who was, and Who is to come.
When you say "Who is to come", is that a dirty thing, like from wanking, or what? :lol:

[Fryan]

He is The God the One and Only God
Who is, Who was, and Who is to come.
Yeah, that's what all religious people say. You may want to define your God a little more clearly, or people may assume that you worship Ahura-Mazda, or the Aten, or some other deity.

[Yesusfriend]

His Name does not mater. He is the One God. Call him what you want.

[benjaminbp18]

His Name does not mater. He is the One God. Call him what you want.
Nobody here even implied that God's name matters....
Who is, Who was, and Who is to come.
I am, I was, and to many I am to come. Therefore, I am God :)
I'm flattered Yesus!
(Do you see what we're saying now?)

[miata]

His Name does not mater. He is the One God. Call him what you want.
Is this being male or female? I think I have had sex with it. Would that make me gay or what?

[Marquis de Sade]

His Name does not mater. He is the One God. Call him what you want.
If one god can exist, so can more.

[UnknownUser]

He is The God the One and Only God
Who is, Who was, and Who is to come.
So are the other 10,000 gods/goddesses/immortal beings that humans have dreamt up over the life of the planet...but as have happened with 99.9% of them, they die the death of the unknown...

[1 Peter 3:15]

He is The God the One and Only God
Who is, Who was, and Who is to come.
So are the other 10,000 gods/goddesses/immortal beings that humans have dreamt up over the life of the planet...but as have happened with 99.9% of them, they die the death of the unknown...
All wrong. There are over 330 million deities being worshipped in Hinduism alone today.

[Tenspace]

He is The God the One and Only God
Who is, Who was, and Who is to come.
So are the other 10,000 gods/goddesses/immortal beings that humans have dreamt up over the life of the planet...but as have happened with 99.9% of them, they die the death of the unknown...
All wrong. There are over 330 million deities being worshipped in Hinduism alone today.
330 million? Are we talking Gods or McDonald's hamburgers?

[Choobus]

So are the other 10,000 gods/goddesses/immortal beings that humans have dreamt up over the life of the planet...but as have happened with 99.9% of them, they die the death of the unknown...
All wrong. There are over 330 million deities being worshipped in Hinduism alone today.
330 million? Are we talking Gods or McDonald's hamburgers?
Both of them make you sick, and lead you to have explosive pooh emanating from your body

[1 Peter 3:15]

So are the other 10,000 gods/goddesses/immortal beings that humans have dreamt up over the life of the planet...but as have happened with 99.9% of them, they die the death of the unknown...
All wrong. There are over 330 million deities being worshipped in Hinduism alone today.
330 million? Are we talking Gods or McDonald's hamburgers?
No, we're talking gods. Shouldn't all you educated, researched and intelligent atheist know this kind of stuff?

[Mog]

All wrong. There are over 330 million deities being worshipped in Hinduism alone today.
330 million? Are we talking Gods or McDonald's hamburgers?
No, we're talking gods. Shouldn't all you educated, researched and intelligent atheist know this kind of stuff?
Actually, this 330 million gods is a misunderstanding of the religion.

Hindu religion is often labeled as a religion of 330 million gods. This misunderstanding arises when people fail to grasp the symbolism of the Hindu pantheon. According to the Hindu scriptures, living beings are not apart from God, since He lives in each and every one of them in the form of atman (BG 10.39). Thus each living being is a unique manifestation of God. In ancient times it was believed that there were 330 million living beings. This gave rise to the idea of 330 million deities or gods. Actually, this vast number of gods could not have been possibly worshipped, since 330 million names could not have been designed for them. The number 330 million was simply used to give a symbolic expression to the fundamental Hindu doctrine that God lives in the hearts of all living beings.
from http://www.koausa.org/Gods/

[1 Peter 3:15]

330 million? Are we talking Gods or McDonald's hamburgers?
No, we're talking gods. Shouldn't all you educated, researched and intelligent atheist know this kind of stuff?
Actually, this 330 million gods is a misunderstanding of the religion.

Hindu religion is often labeled as a religion of 330 million gods. This misunderstanding arises when people fail to grasp the symbolism of the Hindu pantheon. According to the Hindu scriptures, living beings are not apart from God, since He lives in each and every one of them in the form of atman (BG 10.39). Thus each living being is a unique manifestation of God. In ancient times it was believed that there were 330 million living beings. This gave rise to the idea of 330 million deities or gods. Actually, this vast number of gods could not have been possibly worshipped, since 330 million names could not have been designed for them. The number 330 million was simply used to give a symbolic expression to the fundamental Hindu doctrine that God lives in the hearts of all living beings.
from http://www.koausa.org/Gods/
It's not a misunderstanding, it's an attempt to make things seem more logically correct. Hinduism is a pantheistic religion. It attempts to label itself as a monotheistic by saying that these 330 000 000 so called deities are simply manifestations of Brahman, but this is simply done to gain credibility.

[GodlessHeathen]

No, we're talking gods. Shouldn't all you educated, researched and intelligent atheist know this kind of stuff?
Actually, this 330 million gods is a misunderstanding of the religion.

Hindu religion is often labeled as a religion of 330 million gods. This misunderstanding arises when people fail to grasp the symbolism of the Hindu pantheon. According to the Hindu scriptures, living beings are not apart from God, since He lives in each and every one of them in the form of atman (BG 10.39). Thus each living being is a unique manifestation of God. In ancient times it was believed that there were 330 million living beings. This gave rise to the idea of 330 million deities or gods. Actually, this vast number of gods could not have been possibly worshipped, since 330 million names could not have been designed for them. The number 330 million was simply used to give a symbolic expression to the fundamental Hindu doctrine that God lives in the hearts of all living beings.
from http://www.koausa.org/Gods/
It's not a misunderstanding, it's an attempt to make things seem more logically correct. Hinduism is a pantheistic religion. It attempts to label itself as a monotheistic by saying that these 330 000 000 so called deities are simply manifestations of Brahman, but this is simply done to gain credibility.
You're right - it isn't a misunderstanding. It's an attempt by other religions to undermine the "credibility" of Hinduism.

I think it's hilarious just how full of shit you are. You accuse us of being uninformed about other religions, but you're the one who is uninformed.

[1 Peter 3:15]

Of course I am. If you guys would actually read the Hindu scriptures ( I don't really blame you if you don't though, as there are anthologies of them), you'd notice that there are 33 deities mentionned in the Vedas alone. Hinduism is not a monotheistic religions.

http://religion-cults.com/Eastern/Hinduism/hindu4.htm

[calpurnpiso]

All wrong. There are over 330 million deities being worshipped in Hinduism alone today.
330 million? Are we talking Gods or McDonald's hamburgers?
No, we're talking gods. Shouldn't all you educated, researched and intelligent atheist know this kind of stuff?
Remember, we atheists, unlike you, are able to tell delusions from reality and know there are as many gods as the human brain can imagine! Alas, our star the SUN, has anthropomorphize into the likes of Atun, Amun, Ra, AMEN ( where the Christ-psychotics got their "Thus be it", Osiris, Ahuramazda, Apollo, Sol invictus, Jaoweh, Attis, Mithras, Zeus, Jesus, Krishna, Allah, Quetchaquatl, the Great Spirit, Viracocha, et al....

So, please LAND, so we can discuss down to earth concepts and realities of human thinking. The Abrahamic god originated from the cult of the Aten (sun) ORDERED by Ahkenaten( ca 1350, bce). Though the heretic pharoah was killed and his cult put down, it FLOURISHED underground, like Christianity would in the early days of the EMpire. Despite the efforts of Ramsess II to supress it, his first born chasing sun worshipers over the SEA of REEDS in his chariot, he was killed. This FACT you can see in the walls of KV5 (the huge tomb of the sons of Ramses, recently discovered). This point towards another son of Ramses who was a SUN WORSHIPER ( Moses?) that seems to be the rebellious person that was taking these sun worshippers out of PI-RAMSES ( this city is mentioned in the Babble). One must remember that in those days the JEWS did NOT appear in any texts. The FIRST record of the Jews existence ( the estelae is in the Cairo museum) first appear in history in this estelae of Meremptah, the son that succeded Ramses!!....Let's connect the dots shall we and forget about retarded delusions of gods that only fog the intellect, disturb logic rewarding ignorance.

While there is PROOF the SUN was viewed as a god ( as well as water, earth, moon, stars etc), there is NO PROOF of a delusion cretaed by the human brain as being one! :)

[calpurnpiso]

Of course I am. If you guys would actually read the Hindu scriptures ( I don't really blame you if you don't though, as there are anthologies of them), you'd notice that there are 33 deities mentionned in the Vedas alone. Hinduism is not a monotheistic religions.

http://religion-cults.com/Eastern/Hinduism/hindu4.htm
All religions, including Hinduism, star MONOTHEISTIC, slowly many beliefs spring out of the primordial belief creating many gods! Even Christianity is not purely monotheistic, Coptic, mormons et al....:)

[1 Peter 3:15]

Of course I am. If you guys would actually read the Hindu scriptures ( I don't really blame you if you don't though, as there are anthologies of them), you'd notice that there are 33 deities mentionned in the Vedas alone. Hinduism is not a monotheistic religions.

http://religion-cults.com/Eastern/Hinduism/hindu4.htm
All religions, including Hinduism, star MONOTHEISTIC, slowly many beliefs spring out of the primordial belief creating many gods! Even Christianity is not purely monotheistic, Coptic, mormons et al....:)
This I have to hear. How is Christianity not monotheistic?

[Mog]

Christianity incorporates angels and devils. The head devil, Satan, has godlike powers. He runs an entire world, is somehow responsible for all the evil in this world, can grant wishes. For all respects, he is a god. If you compare his abilities with Pluto's or Hela's, is there really any difference? If anything, Satan has more powers than the other underworld gods get credited for.

The archangels Gabriel and Michael also show great signs of godhood.

And what of Santa Claus? Being able to deliver presents to all the children in the world is clearly a sign of godhood.

Getting down to the 330 million dieties idea, this seems oddly similiar to the guardian angel idea of the Christian religion.

So the only real difference here is that Christians call their lesser gods angels or devils rather than gods.

[1 Peter 3:15]

Christianity incorporates angels and devils. The head devil, Satan, has godlike powers. He runs an entire world, is somehow responsible for all the evil in this world, can grant wishes. For all respects, he is a god. If you compare his abilities with Pluto's or Hela's, is there really any difference? If anything, Satan has more powers than the other underworld gods get credited for.
There is only one devil, and he is a fallen angel, so are all the demons. Now, Satan has no godlike powers at all. He's not all knowing, he's not all powerful, he's not eternal, he's not omnipresent, he doesn't run an entire world, he can't grant wishes and he's not even responsible for all the evil in this world.

The archangels Gabriel and Michael also show great signs of godhood.
Gabriel and Michael are angels, and serve God. The power that they do have, is granted to them by God Himself.

And what of Santa Claus? Being able to deliver presents to all the children in the world is clearly a sign of godhood.
Not Christian.

Getting down to the 330 million dieties idea, this seems oddly similiar to the guardian angel idea of the Christian religion.
How so?

So the only real difference here is that Christians call their lesser gods angels or devils rather than gods.
We don't call our 'lesser gods angels' as we don't have lesser gods. The is only one God, and He is the Triune God of the Bible. The angels (also incorporates demons) are not deities in any way, shape or form. They were created, they have limits to knowledge, power and presence. They serve God and whatever knowledge or power they do have, is granted to them by God. Angels are just like humans, except that they live in Heaven, instead of on earth.

[Philboid Studge]

I just want to correct the grammar of the thread title. It should read, 'Cal, who is your God.'

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[Mog]

Christianity incorporates angels and devils. The head devil, Satan, has godlike powers. He runs an entire world, is somehow responsible for all the evil in this world, can grant wishes. For all respects, he is a god. If you compare his abilities with Pluto's or Hela's, is there really any difference? If anything, Satan has more powers than the other underworld gods get credited for.
There is only one devil, and he is a fallen angel, so are all the demons. Now, Satan has no godlike powers at all. He's not all knowing, he's not all powerful, he's not eternal, he's not omnipresent, he doesn't run an entire world, he can't grant wishes and he's not even responsible for all the evil in this world.

I'm quite aware that your interpretation of hell is "the absence of god", but that is not the traditional view. The traditional hell is ruled by various demons including Satan himself. I guess you don't like the "sell my soul for a fortune" stories, either.


The archangels Gabriel and Michael also show great signs of godhood.
Gabriel and Michael are angels, and serve God. The power that they do have, is granted to them by God Himself.
Thats not really all that different from say, Zeus's kids. Zeus's kids did get their power from Zeus himself, after all. Athena was born right out of Zeus's head. Michael, incidently, takes the role of Hermes quite well.


And what of Santa Claus? Being able to deliver presents to all the children in the world is clearly a sign of godhood.
Not Christian.
The origin of Santa Claus is from a Turkish bishop named St. Nicholaus. The myth has definite Christian origins.

Getting down to the 330 million dieties idea, this seems oddly similiar to the guardian angel idea of the Christian religion.
How so?
The guardian angel is a spirit designed to guide and protect someone. The 330 million dieties are symbolic of the idea that god is always with them. Sounds like a similiar concept to me.


So the only real difference here is that Christians call their lesser gods angels or devils rather than gods.
We don't call our 'lesser gods angels' as we don't have lesser gods. The is only one God, and He is the Triune God of the Bible. The angels (also incorporates demons) are not deities in any way, shape or form. They were created, they have limits to knowledge, power and presence. They serve God and whatever knowledge or power they do have, is granted to them by God. Angels are just like humans, except that they live in Heaven, instead of on earth.
Not all gods necessarily have to be omnipotent or omniscient, Peter. And certain angels, despite having all their powers and knowlege granted by god, show signs of free will. Peter, I don't have to show that Christianity is purely polytheistic. I'm just showing there are elements of Polytheism in it.

[Pea]

Hinduism is a pantheistic religion. It attempts to label itself as a monotheistic by saying that these 330 000 000 so called deities are simply manifestations of Brahman, but this is simply done to gain credibility.
What is this thing about one god? Why is one god more "credible" than two, three, thirteen, or 330 million?

[1 Peter 3:15]

Not all gods necessarily have to be omnipotent or omniscient, Peter. And certain angels, despite having all their powers and knowlege granted by god, show signs of free will. Peter, I don't have to show that Christianity is purely polytheistic. I'm just showing there are elements of Polytheism in it.
Yes, Angels do have free will, otherwise, how could we explain the fall of Lucipher? But Christianity is not polytheistic in any way. Tell me how these verses advocate polytheism.

Malachi 2:10
Romans 3:30
1 Corinthians 8:6
Ephesians 4:6
1 Timothy 2:5
James 2:19

One of the major themes in the Bible is that there is only One True God.

[calpurnpiso]

Of course I am. If you guys would actually read the Hindu scriptures ( I don't really blame you if you don't though, as there are anthologies of them), you'd notice that there are 33 deities mentionned in the Vedas alone. Hinduism is not a monotheistic religions.

http://religion-cults.com/Eastern/Hinduism/hindu4.htm
All religions, including Hinduism, star MONOTHEISTIC, slowly many beliefs spring out of the primordial belief creating many gods! Even Christianity is not purely monotheistic, Coptic, mormons et al....:)
This I have to hear. How is Christianity not monotheistic?
Well, Christianity is an Abrahamic religion is it not? There is evidence Ahkenaten started the belief in one god the sun isn't it not? Jews believed in jeowah as god don't they? Didn't he have a son, also a god( 2 gods), Didn't he created Lucem Ferram ( Bearer of light) aka Lucifer, aka VENUS, who became also a GOD? ( 3 gods), didn't he had another mysterious bird that was also a god (Holy Spirit-4 god)?

The fact is that in the Babble ( Gen1:26) god said: " LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR OWN IMAGE..." Can you explain this OBVIOUS reference to other OMNIPOTENT deities? See how idiotic, irrational and absurd this book of fary tales truly is?...And you accept this compilation of FALSEHOODS and moronic anachronistic idiocies as the TRUTH?...What' wrong with your thinking?..Why did you decided to throw REASON out the window?..Do you think this was wise?..Did voices in your head told you to do this? Do you think it is mentally healthy to discuss OBVIOUS idiocies ignoring historical and scientific FACTS?
Why don't we discuss the Lord of the Rings as if this book was based on historical facts and the truth? What's the difference?

This little sentence on Gen 1:26 says it all!. "Let US make man in OUR....".
There are MANY gods ( Which are IMPLIED by god's comment) but ONLY two are mentioned besides Jaoweh, jesus and the Bird ( Christians stole this bird-god from the Egyptian Horus). Christians stole ALL of its fairy tales from PAGANISM. History, ancient texts and archaeology clearly PROVE this. The main gods of antiquity THROUGHT the planet (perceived by the human brain over 36,000 years ago) are: FIRE(sun), Air, Water and earth. With these gods are included the FIRMAMENT, ANIMALS and NATURE.
So, Christianity is a monotheistic religion in name only. The fact is that early Christianity reflected on the Catholic original faith, had SAINTS, Archangels, DEmons etc etc....all of them in a way mini-gods!! witrh their OWN agenda!. Alas, did Jesus impregnated his OWN MOTHER committing incest? actually YES!!, For he is god isn't?

This was a problem for the creators of Christianity so...AHHHH..le't us steal HORUS from the Egyptian religion...hmmm, but that will make it a problem for us since we'll have created another god!!..this is a no, no!...Hmmm..what about the "mystery of a TRIUNE god"? A concept so amazing and divine, it is a mystery that ONLY the brain of god can comprehend!. Great idea!!..which retards and ignorant diseased brains idiots have accepted and believed as TRUE for millennia!.

Thus the Trinity was born (3 gods!), then came a goddess ( god MUST have a mother, and a virgin to boot), then WINGED androginous creatures (taken from the NIKES of Greek mythology) were adopted and called Archangels (generals), angels( soldiers) then they would not have a reason to be if they did not have an ENEMY....AHHHH...SATAN (negative GOD), demons, uncleaned spirits, etc..His kingdom?..SIN KINGDOM ( hell).

So, Christianity is NOT a true monotheistic religion. A monotheistic religion exist ONLY in the first person that creates it....afterwards it divides and fragments, IOW, true monotheism is a platonic concept. in the moment it is executed into reality it become POLITHEISM, for not TWO brains are alike......:)

[calpurnpiso]

To answer the question of who is my god. It is a question every human is able to aswer by saying. "I AM MY OWN GOD and the GOD of EVERY non human CREATURE on the planet.....and if we want to be technical, one can say, my god is that which sustain my existence. Plain and simple, Sun (fire), moon, air, earth, water. For without them NO HUMAN WOULD EXIST.....AHHH..the happiness of having a healthy brain with its logic centers working in exquisite harmony...:)

[Tenspace]

All wrong. There are over 330 million deities being worshipped in Hinduism alone today.
330 million? Are we talking Gods or McDonald's hamburgers?
No, we're talking gods. Shouldn't all you educated, researched and intelligent atheist know this kind of stuff?
How 'bout, "330 million? What's your reference?" Have you any links? :)

I'm not up on Hinduism, but my research could only find a few hundred. There'd have to be at least a 4-dimensional matrix of gods to begin to make sense of a value that large.

[Daniel]

We don't call our 'lesser gods angels' as we don't have lesser gods. The is only one God, and He is the Triune God of the Bible. The angels (also incorporates demons) are not deities in any way, shape or form. They were created, they have limits to knowledge, power and presence. They serve God and whatever knowledge or power they do have, is granted to them by God. Angels are just like humans, except that they live in Heaven, instead of on earth.
tri·une (trī'yūn')
adj.
Being three in one. Used especially of the Christian Trinity.

n.
A trinity.

[TRI– + Latin ūnus, one.]






Thesaurus
triune

noun

A group of three individuals: three, threesome, triad, trine, trinity, trio, triple, triumvirate, triunity, troika. See group.


http://www.answers.com/triune

[1 Peter 3:15]

The fact is that in the Babble ( Gen1:26) god said: " LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR OWN IMAGE..." Can you explain this OBVIOUS reference to other OMNIPOTENT deities? See how idiotic, irrational and absurd this book of fary tales truly is?...And you accept this compilation of FALSEHOODS and moronic anachronistic idiocies as the TRUTH?...What' wrong with your thinking?..Why did you decided to throw REASON out the window?..Do you think this was wise?..Did voices in your head told you to do this? Do you think it is mentally healthy to discuss OBVIOUS idiocies ignoring historical and scientific FACTS?
Are you serious? Do you really not understand the concept of the Trinity? I mean, for someone as 'educated, informed, researched and intelligent' as you are, you'd think you would have picked up on the Trinity somewhere. Wow! Alright, well, here is why it says 'US' in Genesis.

There exists one God, made of three persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
One being, made up of three persons. So, let's evaluate this mathematically:

1 (father), 1 (son), 1 (holy spirit). Now, you might think that 1 + 1 +1 = 3, but like I said, it's one being made up of three persons, so something like this: 1 x 1 x 1 = 1. So what was that? 1 x 1 x 1 = 1? Why that's unbelievable!

[Mog]

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henotheism

Although Christians adamantly label themselves as monotheists, some argue that Christianity is properly a form of henotheism. Most forms of Christianity include the belief in a Christian Godhead consisting of God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, with God the Father being dominant "actor" and "creator" – though most Christians reject the view that God the Father is supreme over Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. However, Trinitarian Christians strongly reject the view that the three persons of the Godhead are three distinct gods. Rather, they describe the three persons as having a single "substance", thus counting as one god. The Council of Nicea (325 C.E.) affirmed that God was "One Substance (Greek Ousia) and three Persona (Greek Hypostasis)". The Christian Trinity, like the Classical Pagan Hypostasis and Hindu Trimurti, has an impersonal divine substance as its unifying principle.
In addition, many Christians believe in what some consider to be a "pantheon" of angels, demons, and/or Saints that are inferior to the Trinity. Christians do not label these beings as "gods", although they are attributed with supernatural powers, and are sometimes the object of prayer. When Christianity was adopted by Greco-Roman pagans or African slaves, the new converts attributed to these saints features of their previous polytheistic figures. In some cases, these beliefs have developed out of the Catholic church and form syncretisms like Santeria. These beliefs are similar to Hinduism which distinguishes between God in the form of Vishnu or Shiva, and devas which are subordinate to God and who supervise forces of nature such as Agni (i.e., fire) or Vayu (i.e., wind.)
And using multiplication to add up 3 people? Must be some kind of new math :)

Incidently, the "trinity" is an example of soft polytheism. The definition of which is:

Soft polytheists regard their multiplicity of gods as simply representing different aspects or facets of a single god, as many modern neopagan groups and Hinduism.
from the wikipedia article on polytheism.

[1 Peter 3:15]

Not at all, again. Nowhere in the Christian faith does it say that the Trinity are different manifestations of God, but that the Trinity is one God only.

[Mog]

"And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

Sounds like 2 different manifestations to me.

[jcmunioz]

1 Peter 3:15 wrote:


All wrong. There are over 330 million deities being worshipped in Hinduism alone today.

Well, I think there were more than 3K deities (major and minor) in Sumerian religion, but I'm sure it was impossible for any sumerian to recall the names and qualities of each and every one of them. Are you sure that this 330M figure is for deities and not population?

[ghoulslime]

Not at all, again. Nowhere in the Christian faith does it say that the Trinity are different manifestations of God, but that the Trinity is one God only.
A three in one god! That’s a great concept! New and improved triple strength god for faster cleaning action! Four out of five deists choose the trinity for their dogma needs!

There is something that confuses me. Perhaps you can clarify it for me.

Zeus, God, visited Danae in the form of a stream of gold and had divine intercourse with her. She bore unto god a child, Perseus.

The husband of Danae would not accept the fact that Perseus was the child of god.

He cast the baby Perseus and his holy mother into the sea in a chest.

Away in a sea chest no crib for a bed,
The little lord Perseus lay down his sweet head.
The stars in the heaven looked down where he lay,
And took the lord Perseus safely away.

To make a long story short, Perseus battled evil and returned to redeem his homeland.

In the name of the lord and savior, Perseus, Amen.

Now, shouldn’t Perseus add a forth layer to your godhead? Why do you reject Perseus who is clearly the son of god, yet accept the Jesus manifestation?

It seems another layer would make your god even more impressive! Could you make this suggestion for me next time your Bible scholars rewrite your Bible?

[1 Peter 3:15]

Not at all, again. Nowhere in the Christian faith does it say that the Trinity are different manifestations of God, but that the Trinity is one God only.
A three in one god! That’s a great concept! New and improved triple strength god for faster cleaning action! Four out of five deists choose the trinity for their dogma needs!

There is something that confuses me. Perhaps you can clarify it for me.

Zeus, God, visited Danae in the form of a stream of gold and had divine intercourse with her. She bore unto god a child, Perseus.

The husband of Danae would not accept the fact that Perseus was the child of god.

He cast the baby Perseus and his holy mother into the sea in a chest.

Away in a sea chest no crib for a bed,
The little lord Perseus lay down his sweet head.
The stars in the heaven looked down where he lay,
And took the lord Perseus safely away.

To make a long story short, Perseus battled evil and returned to redeem his homeland.

In the name of the lord and savior, Perseus, Amen.

Now, shouldn’t Perseus add a forth layer to your godhead? Why do you reject Perseus who is clearly the son of god, yet accept the Jesus manifestation?

It seems another layer would make your god even more impressive! Could you make this suggestion for me next time your Bible scholars rewrite your Bible?
Are you serious? Perseus showed no signs of divinity. I'll leave it at that.

[ghoulslime]

Not at all, again. Nowhere in the Christian faith does it say that the Trinity are different manifestations of God, but that the Trinity is one God only.
A three in one god! That’s a great concept! New and improved triple strength god for faster cleaning action! Four out of five deists choose the trinity for their dogma needs!

There is something that confuses me. Perhaps you can clarify it for me.

Zeus, God, visited Danae in the form of a stream of gold and had divine intercourse with her. She bore unto god a child, Perseus.

The husband of Danae would not accept the fact that Perseus was the child of god.

He cast the baby Perseus and his holy mother into the sea in a chest.

Away in a sea chest no crib for a bed,
The little lord Perseus lay down his sweet head.
The stars in the heaven looked down where he lay,
And took the lord Perseus safely away.

To make a long story short, Perseus battled evil and returned to redeem his homeland.

In the name of the lord and savior, Perseus, Amen.

Now, shouldn’t Perseus add a forth layer to your godhead? Why do you reject Perseus who is clearly the son of god, yet accept the Jesus manifestation?

It seems another layer would make your god even more impressive! Could you make this suggestion for me next time your Bible scholars rewrite your Bible?
Are you serious? Perseus showed no signs of divinity. I'll leave it at that.
I won't leave it at that.

Of course I am serious. :o Perseus was the son of God, conceived immaculately, bore by the holy mother Danae. There were countless believers in this divine miracle! The story was told for ages. He possessed supernatural items given to him by the gods! He had a magic sword, shield, and helmet!!! How much more proof do you need of his divinity? He returned to his homeland as a savior as was prophesied many years before his birth!

Give me the proof of Jesus’ divinity and I will give you equal proof of Perseus’ divinity.

[ghoulslime]

A three in one god! That’s a great concept! New and improved triple strength god for faster cleaning action! Four out of five deists choose the trinity for their dogma needs!

There is something that confuses me. Perhaps you can clarify it for me.

Zeus, God, visited Danae in the form of a stream of gold and had divine intercourse with her. She bore unto god a child, Perseus.

The husband of Danae would not accept the fact that Perseus was the child of god.

He cast the baby Perseus and his holy mother into the sea in a chest.

Away in a sea chest no crib for a bed,
The little lord Perseus lay down his sweet head.
The stars in the heaven looked down where he lay,
And took the lord Perseus safely away.

To make a long story short, Perseus battled evil and returned to redeem his homeland.

In the name of the lord and savior, Perseus, Amen.

Now, shouldn’t Perseus add a forth layer to your godhead? Why do you reject Perseus who is clearly the son of god, yet accept the Jesus manifestation?

It seems another layer would make your god even more impressive! Could you make this suggestion for me next time your Bible scholars rewrite your Bible?
Are you serious? Perseus showed no signs of divinity. I'll leave it at that.
I won't leave it at that.

Of course I am serious. :o Perseus was the son of God, conceived immaculately, bore by the holy mother Danae. There were countless believers in this divine miracle! The story was told for ages. He possessed supernatural items given to him by the gods! He had a magic sword, shield, and helmet!!! How much more proof do you need of his divinity? He returned to his homeland as a savior as was prophesied many years before his birth!

Give me the proof of Jesus’ divinity and I will give you equal proof of Perseus’ divinity.
Come on, Chicken! Bak bak bak!

Come throw down with Ghoulslime. I need another notch in my belt. :lol:

[Reverend Blasphemy]

Of course I am. If you guys would actually read the Hindu scriptures ( I don't really blame you if you don't though, as there are anthologies of them), you'd notice that there are 33 deities mentionned in the Vedas alone. Hinduism is not a monotheistic religions.

http://religion-cults.com/Eastern/Hinduism/hindu4.htm
No one ever said hinduism was monotheistic. Why is it so easy for you to dismiss their ideas as false, but cling to your own and believe them to be true?

[1 Peter 3:15]

Give me the proof of Jesus’ divinity and I will give you equal proof of Perseus’ divinity.
Let's make this short and sweet.

- preformed miracles
- fulfilled over 100 different and separate prophecies about him
- ressurected from the dead

Now I know what you're going to say. You're going to claim that we can't be sure that He performed these miracles, fulfilled these prophecies and ressurected from the dead. You'll probably even mention that He never existed and was inspired by Osiris, but if you actually did investigate these claims, you'd realize they are weak arguments.

[Marquis de Sade]

He is The God the One and Only God
Who is, Who was, and Who is to come.
So are the other 10,000 gods/goddesses/immortal beings that humans have dreamt up over the life of the planet...but as have happened with 99.9% of them, they die the death of the unknown...
All wrong. There are over 330 million deities being worshipped in Hinduism alone today.
Haha, you fool - there is only one god in Hinduism - this 'god' is split into several million aspects, kinda like your holy trinity is split into three - I have no doubt as to what sort of person put that perticular ludacris idea in your head.

[Choobus]

peter (really Thomas right?) you are so full of shit you need to be flushed.

[1 Peter 3:15]

I'm not Thomas. And how am I so full of shit that I need to be flushed?

[Marquis de Sade]

Funny how when you get shit wrong or come up against a statement that you would find hard to respond to, you tend to ignore it - I know that Pat Robertson, and all your preachers who collect money off TV to come and bribe the poor of India into conversion have been told all sorts of wacky tales about Hinduism - yet you didnt even get something as fundamental as that right.

[Mog]

Give me the proof of Jesus’ divinity and I will give you equal proof of Perseus’ divinity.
Let's make this short and sweet.

- preformed miracles
- fulfilled over 100 different and separate prophecies about him
- ressurected from the dead

Now I know what you're going to say. You're going to claim that we can't be sure that He performed these miracles, fulfilled these prophecies and ressurected from the dead. You'll probably even mention that He never existed and was inspired by Osiris, but if you actually did investigate these claims, you'd realize they are weak arguments.
Peter, we did investigate those claims and find that your arguments are the weak ones. Now give us real proof, not words from the bible. The bible is just a midrash. Its full of errors and contradictions, historical anacronisms, and bold-faced impossibilities. You can claim that our sources for this information are as biased as hell, but you still have to prove those wrong to prove Jesus's divinity.

[calpurnpiso]

Peter wrote:

"Wow! Alright, well, here is why it says 'US' in Genesis."

Christ-psychosis induce logic I see. What part of: "Let us make man in our own image " you do not understand?....besides, it is in the BABBLE!!...Alas, NOTHING in the babble is credible..it is a compilation of older pagan myths. NOTHING in the babble is an original concept. The names are changes but the tales are the SAME!..Why don't you read Greek Mythology or the Book of the Dead?...and about the jesus tales?....Iulius Caesar was the model for your 'god and savior"!

from: http://www.users.bigpond.com/pontificate/6.htm

"n disbelief he uttered his last words “You too, my son?” and, ceasing all resistance, he wrapped himself in his robe and collapsed under a welter of blows. The senatorial onlookers, momentarily transfixed by the horrific spectacle in front of them, fled from the chamber, shortly to be followed by the murderers as well, who ran through the streets with their bloodied daggers proclaiming liberty. The forlorn and mangled body of Gaius Julius Caesar, Father of the Nation, Pontifex Maximus and universal Saviour of Mankind, lay slumped at the foot of the statue of Pompey."

On the Jesus play:

"As Caesar had been murdered as a result of a conspiracy of Senators and high officials, the Jesus play would eventually come to include such things as the bogus trial of Jesus by the Sanhedrin – the Judean institution that most closely approximated the Roman Senate. Like the plot to kill Caesar and the immediate aftermath of nocturnal political manoeuvrings, the Sanhedrin trial smacks of conspiracy as it is hurriedly convened and held at night, with agents rushing out to search for (false) witnesses in the dark. In Mark’s gospel, no names of the Jewish high priests are given – a further clue that the trial is thematic and theatrical rather than historical. It is only the later gospels that provide the names of Caiaphas and Annas as high priests in Jerusalem. More historical grist is demanded of the cult as time goes by. But it is still all centred around his death, not his life – as should be expected of something developing from a commemoration."

Then from another scholar:

http://www.egodeath.com/RewritingCaesarCultAsRebuttal.htm

"The New Testament was a competitive rewrite of Virgil'sAenid. Christianity was a rival rewriting of Caesar cult drawing upon the Jewish rather than Homeric writings. This type of scenario is generally supported by Marianne Bonz' dissertation on Luke-Acts as a literary challenge to the propaganda of imperial Rome. Where did the strange and incoherent New Testament writings come from? A process of strategic competitive rewriting and rearranging, with political and mystical themes often interwoven. "

"Religion in the Roman World -- An essay by Marianne Bonz describing the myriad of religious options available in the Roman Empire

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/portrait/religions.html (skip the first half)

Doctorate from Harvard Divinity School ... She has published several articles on the status of Jews in the Greek province of the Empire and on the developing religious message of the Roman emperors.

" The Gospel of Rome vs. the Gospel of Jesus Christ: Two New Testament Responses from the Churches Founded by Paul
From Jesus to Christ: Symposium presentation by Marianne P. Bonz.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/symposium/gospel.html

Please LAND so we can discuss FACTS presented by the EVIDENCE. Using the babble as Evidence" of the existence of god, is like using "The Lord of the Rings also as such.....

The GOD Caesar lives in the guise of the GOD Jesus!....:)

[1 Peter 3:15]

Peter wrote:

"Wow! Alright, well, here is why it says 'US' in Genesis."

Christ-psychosis induce logic I see. What part of: "Let us make man in our own image " you do not understand?....besides, it is in the BABBLE!!...Alas, NOTHING in the babble is credible..it is a compilation of older pagan myths. NOTHING in the babble is an original concept. The names are changes but the tales are the SAME!..Why don't you read Greek Mythology or the Book of the Dead?...and about the jesus tales?....Iulius Caesar was the model for your 'god and savior"!

from: http://www.users.bigpond.com/pontificate/6.htm

"n disbelief he uttered his last words “You too, my son?” and, ceasing all resistance, he wrapped himself in his robe and collapsed under a welter of blows. The senatorial onlookers, momentarily transfixed by the horrific spectacle in front of them, fled from the chamber, shortly to be followed by the murderers as well, who ran through the streets with their bloodied daggers proclaiming liberty. The forlorn and mangled body of Gaius Julius Caesar, Father of the Nation, Pontifex Maximus and universal Saviour of Mankind, lay slumped at the foot of the statue of Pompey."

On the Jesus play:

"As Caesar had been murdered as a result of a conspiracy of Senators and high officials, the Jesus play would eventually come to include such things as the bogus trial of Jesus by the Sanhedrin – the Judean institution that most closely approximated the Roman Senate. Like the plot to kill Caesar and the immediate aftermath of nocturnal political manoeuvrings, the Sanhedrin trial smacks of conspiracy as it is hurriedly convened and held at night, with agents rushing out to search for (false) witnesses in the dark. In Mark’s gospel, no names of the Jewish high priests are given – a further clue that the trial is thematic and theatrical rather than historical. It is only the later gospels that provide the names of Caiaphas and Annas as high priests in Jerusalem. More historical grist is demanded of the cult as time goes by. But it is still all centred around his death, not his life – as should be expected of something developing from a commemoration."

Then from another scholar:

http://www.egodeath.com/RewritingCaesarCultAsRebuttal.htm

"The New Testament was a competitive rewrite of Virgil'sAenid. Christianity was a rival rewriting of Caesar cult drawing upon the Jewish rather than Homeric writings. This type of scenario is generally supported by Marianne Bonz' dissertation on Luke-Acts as a literary challenge to the propaganda of imperial Rome. Where did the strange and incoherent New Testament writings come from? A process of strategic competitive rewriting and rearranging, with political and mystical themes often interwoven. "

"Religion in the Roman World -- An essay by Marianne Bonz describing the myriad of religious options available in the Roman Empire

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/portrait/religions.html (skip the first half)

Doctorate from Harvard Divinity School ... She has published several articles on the status of Jews in the Greek province of the Empire and on the developing religious message of the Roman emperors.

" The Gospel of Rome vs. the Gospel of Jesus Christ: Two New Testament Responses from the Churches Founded by Paul
From Jesus to Christ: Symposium presentation by Marianne P. Bonz.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/symposium/gospel.html

Please LAND so we can discuss FACTS presented by the EVIDENCE. Using the babble as Evidence" of the existence of god, is like using "The Lord of the Rings also as such.....

The GOD Caesar lives in the guise of the GOD Jesus!....:)
How can Jesus both be Osiris and Iulius Caesar? Anyways Cal. I'm still waiting to hear your arguments for this Christ-psychosis. Would you please finally explain it to me.

[Mog]

Its called midrash, Peter. Its where you take the story of one person and embellish the story with the myths of another. For example, you might not know much about the birth of Julius, so you might add this 3 wisemen story from this other myth, add that he was born from a god to make him seem more important, give him an arbitrary birthday of December 25 since thats a holy day, and voila! You added several elements from the Horus myth to make him more important. Since most people were illiterate then, they had no way to dispute the altered story even if they wanted to.

[Marquis de Sade]

Peter, still dont wanna discuss how you were misled into a false belief about another religion?

[Mog]

I don't want to pile on too much on poor Peter here, but I suggest he read some books on Urban Legends. Urban Legends are the modern version of mythology and they explain well how bizarre stories tend to spread. Look for Jan Harold Brunvand in the library or bookstore, or check www.snopes.com

[ghoulslime]

Give me the proof of Jesus’ divinity and I will give you equal proof of Perseus’ divinity.
Let's make this short and sweet.

- preformed miracles
- fulfilled over 100 different and separate prophecies about him
- ressurected from the dead

Now I know what you're going to say. You're going to claim that we can't be sure that He performed these miracles, fulfilled these prophecies and ressurected from the dead. You'll probably even mention that He never existed and was inspired by Osiris, but if you actually did investigate these claims, you'd realize they are weak arguments.
The Great Pumpkin rises from the pumkin patch. The Tooth Fairy leaves money under my pillow. :lol:

That's not proof, knucklehead. :lol: These are what we call "dogmas". Can you say "Dogmas"? Repeat after me, "Dogmas".

OK, let's start simply, because you have a simple mind.

You have a book that somebody wrote about Jesus. It is fiction.
I have a book that somebody wrote about Perseus. It is fiction.

This is not proof. These are fictional stories - make believe, you see, like Santa Claus?

I will make it easier for you. One simple concept at a time.

Give me any proof outside of your fictional Bible that there was a Jesus.

(By the way, happy feelings in your tummy, testimonies by Grandma Larson, and fireside fables do not constitute proof.)

[ghoulslime]

Peter wrote:

"Wow! Alright, well, here is why it says 'US' in Genesis."

Christ-psychosis induce logic I see. What part of: "Let us make man in our own image " you do not understand?....besides, it is in the BABBLE!!...Alas, NOTHING in the babble is credible..it is a compilation of older pagan myths. NOTHING in the babble is an original concept. The names are changes but the tales are the SAME!..Why don't you read Greek Mythology or the Book of the Dead?...and about the jesus tales?....Iulius Caesar was the model for your 'god and savior"!

from: http://www.users.bigpond.com/pontificate/6.htm

"n disbelief he uttered his last words “You too, my son?” and, ceasing all resistance, he wrapped himself in his robe and collapsed under a welter of blows. The senatorial onlookers, momentarily transfixed by the horrific spectacle in front of them, fled from the chamber, shortly to be followed by the murderers as well, who ran through the streets with their bloodied daggers proclaiming liberty. The forlorn and mangled body of Gaius Julius Caesar, Father of the Nation, Pontifex Maximus and universal Saviour of Mankind, lay slumped at the foot of the statue of Pompey."

On the Jesus play:

"As Caesar had been murdered as a result of a conspiracy of Senators and high officials, the Jesus play would eventually come to include such things as the bogus trial of Jesus by the Sanhedrin – the Judean institution that most closely approximated the Roman Senate. Like the plot to kill Caesar and the immediate aftermath of nocturnal political manoeuvrings, the Sanhedrin trial smacks of conspiracy as it is hurriedly convened and held at night, with agents rushing out to search for (false) witnesses in the dark. In Mark’s gospel, no names of the Jewish high priests are given – a further clue that the trial is thematic and theatrical rather than historical. It is only the later gospels that provide the names of Caiaphas and Annas as high priests in Jerusalem. More historical grist is demanded of the cult as time goes by. But it is still all centred around his death, not his life – as should be expected of something developing from a commemoration."

Then from another scholar:

http://www.egodeath.com/RewritingCaesarCultAsRebuttal.htm

"The New Testament was a competitive rewrite of Virgil'sAenid. Christianity was a rival rewriting of Caesar cult drawing upon the Jewish rather than Homeric writings. This type of scenario is generally supported by Marianne Bonz' dissertation on Luke-Acts as a literary challenge to the propaganda of imperial Rome. Where did the strange and incoherent New Testament writings come from? A process of strategic competitive rewriting and rearranging, with political and mystical themes often interwoven. "

"Religion in the Roman World -- An essay by Marianne Bonz describing the myriad of religious options available in the Roman Empire

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/portrait/religions.html (skip the first half)

Doctorate from Harvard Divinity School ... She has published several articles on the status of Jews in the Greek province of the Empire and on the developing religious message of the Roman emperors.

" The Gospel of Rome vs. the Gospel of Jesus Christ: Two New Testament Responses from the Churches Founded by Paul
From Jesus to Christ: Symposium presentation by Marianne P. Bonz.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/symposium/gospel.html

Please LAND so we can discuss FACTS presented by the EVIDENCE. Using the babble as Evidence" of the existence of god, is like using "The Lord of the Rings also as such.....

The GOD Caesar lives in the guise of the GOD Jesus!....:)
How can Jesus both be Osiris and Iulius Caesar? Anyways Cal. I'm still waiting to hear your arguments for this Christ-psychosis. Would you please finally explain it to me.
The Jesus myth borrows from many other previous myths. Better read up on this before you poo poo it. Cal will prescribe some pretty strong medication for your ailment.

[Yesusfriend]

Cal Who/what is your God:)

I want to know

come on CAL what do you worship

[calpurnpiso]

Cal Who/what is your God:)

I want to know

come on CAL what do you worship
Remember I'm a mentally healthy person aka atheist in FULL control of my brain. With it I can create all of the delusions and dreams I want ( without cheating which means, the ingestion of psychoactive substances). The IMMEDIATE god, as well as yours is the Tetradei of the SUN with its inner gods ( fire, water,earth,air). I take one of those away and ALL humans would DIE. The other delusional gods i,e Allah, Attis, Zeuss, Jesus, Ahuramazda, Dyonisus, Apollo, etc being products of the human brain are inconsequential, since I CAN create my own.....let's see...AHHH...the Dusty Intelligence of Titan!!..which created the human soul billions of years ago, helping matter evolved into human beings....I'm Our Lord and Dusty Savior "AZ" representative on earth. After we die our souls will go to tthe ethereal Dusty heaven of Titan as long as you pay your dues to me here on Earth and in AZ ( Arizona). For we Titans created this patch of earth to resemble our own planet.... Please repent, worshiping FALSE gods like Jesus will make your essence to be REJECTED from Titan's Heaven. If you change your mind, I'm accepting donations of 10,000 Euros for a gorgeous edifice of ethereal thoughts with the potential for injecting yourself inside a Titan life forms for vacation. This is good for 1 million earth years, then the contract can be renewed.

Remember, what good is it if you gain wealth, and power on earth if after senectude and death you loose you eternal essence to Titanian rejection and end up floating towards Pluto and charon? The essence of the unbelievers ( specially Christians that chose the false savior of Jesus) that had died producing thought emanations of anguish and fear, and without a human body, they are PURE and the ethereal suffering is incredible. So, I suggest to accept AZ as your own personal Titanian savior and the creator of our evolution....:)

[Yesusfriend]

That is funny it might make a good story
But note that when you wrote this you made yourself look good, made yourself the God.
Next note, the bible or bable as you call it condemns the writer to a life of service to another being it does not promote the writer very much at all.

What does this say about the Bible? Why do you think they wrote it?

[calpurnpiso]

Peter wrote:

"Wow! Alright, well, here is why it says 'US' in Genesis."

Christ-psychosis induce logic I see. What part of: "Let us make man in our own image " you do not understand?....besides, it is in the BABBLE!!...Alas, NOTHING in the babble is credible..it is a compilation of older pagan myths. NOTHING in the babble is an original concept. The names are changes but the tales are the SAME!..Why don't you read Greek Mythology or the Book of the Dead?...and about the jesus tales?....Iulius Caesar was the model for your 'god and savior"!

from: http://www.users.bigpond.com/pontificate/6.htm

"n disbelief he uttered his last words “You too, my son?” and, ceasing all resistance, he wrapped himself in his robe and collapsed under a welter of blows. The senatorial onlookers, momentarily transfixed by the horrific spectacle in front of them, fled from the chamber, shortly to be followed by the murderers as well, who ran through the streets with their bloodied daggers proclaiming liberty. The forlorn and mangled body of Gaius Julius Caesar, Father of the Nation, Pontifex Maximus and universal Saviour of Mankind, lay slumped at the foot of the statue of Pompey."

On the Jesus play:

"As Caesar had been murdered as a result of a conspiracy of Senators and high officials, the Jesus play would eventually come to include such things as the bogus trial of Jesus by the Sanhedrin – the Judean institution that most closely approximated the Roman Senate. Like the plot to kill Caesar and the immediate aftermath of nocturnal political manoeuvrings, the Sanhedrin trial smacks of conspiracy as it is hurriedly convened and held at night, with agents rushing out to search for (false) witnesses in the dark. In Mark’s gospel, no names of the Jewish high priests are given – a further clue that the trial is thematic and theatrical rather than historical. It is only the later gospels that provide the names of Caiaphas and Annas as high priests in Jerusalem. More historical grist is demanded of the cult as time goes by. But it is still all centred around his death, not his life – as should be expected of something developing from a commemoration."

Then from another scholar:

http://www.egodeath.com/RewritingCaesarCultAsRebuttal.htm

"The New Testament was a competitive rewrite of Virgil'sAenid. Christianity was a rival rewriting of Caesar cult drawing upon the Jewish rather than Homeric writings. This type of scenario is generally supported by Marianne Bonz' dissertation on Luke-Acts as a literary challenge to the propaganda of imperial Rome. Where did the strange and incoherent New Testament writings come from? A process of strategic competitive rewriting and rearranging, with political and mystical themes often interwoven. "

"Religion in the Roman World -- An essay by Marianne Bonz describing the myriad of religious options available in the Roman Empire

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/portrait/religions.html (skip the first half)

Doctorate from Harvard Divinity School ... She has published several articles on the status of Jews in the Greek province of the Empire and on the developing religious message of the Roman emperors.

" The Gospel of Rome vs. the Gospel of Jesus Christ: Two New Testament Responses from the Churches Founded by Paul
From Jesus to Christ: Symposium presentation by Marianne P. Bonz.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/symposium/gospel.html

Please LAND so we can discuss FACTS presented by the EVIDENCE. Using the babble as Evidence" of the existence of god, is like using "The Lord of the Rings also as such.....

The GOD Caesar lives in the guise of the GOD Jesus!....:)
How can Jesus both be Osiris and Iulius Caesar? Anyways Cal. I'm still waiting to hear your arguments for this Christ-psychosis. Would you please finally explain it to me.
If you do not know, how can I explain Christ-psychosis? it is like trying to explain ALGEBRA to a kid that doesn't want to study arithmetic. WHY did you IGNORED my links? read them then you'll understand. I suggest you read this one so you understand:

http://www.medmalexperts.com/POCM/pagan_origins_salvation.html

this link shows where the EVIDENCE of Christian copying EGYPTIAN myths can be FOUND.

From: http://www.mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/pagan.html

" Both Islam and Christianity "were in agreement with the basic outlook of the ancient Egyptians in that they also promised eternal life; they could therefore appear to a very ancient attitude of mind. We can say whether Egyptian mummies may not have had something to do with the Christian concept of 'resurrection of the flesh', which belongs neither to the Old Testament religion nor to that of the earliest Christians, let alone to that of the Greeks? To the Christian it may seen natural that man's everlasting life should be based on God. But other religions, such as those of the Israelites and of the ancient Greeks, teach that God's power does not extend beyond the limits of this earthly existence; it cannot penetrate the dark realms of Sheol or the gates of Hades."
- Seigfreid Morenz, Egyptian Religion '

Please READ, so you do not ask stupid question...:)

[calpurnpiso]

That is funny it might make a good story
But note that when you wrote this you made yourself look good, made yourself the God.
Next note, the bible or bable as you call it condemns the writer to a life of service to another being it does not promote the writer very much at all.

What does this say about the Bible? Why do you think they wrote it?
Well, I'm a GOD!..I can create gods with my brain ( like AZ), I can control my enviroment, I can CREATED other humans at will ( as long as ladies allow my joy stick to enter their caves of creation so I can depoist my river of life), I can control the lives of ALL the creatures that live in this planet. You delusional god described in the Babble is as real as those described in OTHER religious texts!. Your god is NOT unique, but God-Calpurnopiso is!!,,as are God-Yesusfriend, God-ghoulisme, god-thesnake and others. I think we humans of the English speaking countries ought to replace the MR and MRS titles with GOD and GODDESS. Remember, the Babble is worthless and filled with falsehhods. I can write one ANYDAY and BETTER,,,the only problem is that I can not age it properly. I'll have to wait hundreds of years for gullible, ignorant people to accept it as true.

The babble was writen by superstitious, sexually frustrated folks that love to drink one psychoactively charged wine too many. Those folks were under the influence of drugs!..Alas, give pen and paper to a man suffering from temporal lobe epilepsy, give him some wine, then tell him to write each day two pages of his thoughts and experiences of childhood. At the end of 6 months let's see what this person wrote. I'm certain a modern BABBLE...lol....

Haven't you heard of Soma? it is in the babble. Believing the Babble contains the truth is like believing the lord of the Rings is based on truths also....:)

[Yesusfriend]

Haven't you heard of Soma? it is in the babble. Believing the Babble contains the truth is like believing the lord of the Rings is based on truths also....
Is it not,
it has gravity,
iron,
wood ,
etc.
Those are things that are real therefore truth.
I think there is a lot of truth in LOTR.

[Choobus]

yesusfool, let's say that there is a god, how are we supposed to know if he wants us to worship him? MAybe he doesn't give a fuck.
If so, what's all the fuss about?

[Yesusfriend]

Do you really want to know or will you just discredit it because I said it?

[miata]

All wrong. There are over 330 million deities being worshipped in Hinduism alone today.
330 million? Are we talking Gods or McDonald's hamburgers?
No, we're talking gods. Shouldn't all you educated, researched and intelligent atheist know this kind of stuff?
As long as you don't take his name in vain, right??

[kmisho]

Let's look briefly at a single aspect of the supposed prophecies the coming of Jesus fulfilled, that he be descended from the house of David.

This in itself stinks. I don't give a damn if his dad or grandad or whatever was a king. Being related to a king does not give you license to rule. This one prophecy alone, and the idea that Jesus was supposed to fulfill it, reveals that the prophecy writers and the retro-fitters of these prophecies believed in the divine right of kings.

This alone is enough reason for me to reject jesus. To quote Monty Python, "I didn't vote for him."

[1 Peter 3:15]

Let's look briefly at a single aspect of the supposed prophecies the coming of Jesus fulfilled, that he be descended from the house of David.

This in itself stinks. I don't give a damn if his dad or grandad or whatever was a king. Being related to a king does not give you license to rule. This one prophecy alone, and the idea that Jesus was supposed to fulfill it, reveals that the prophecy writers and the retro-fitters of these prophecies believed in the divine right of kings.

This alone is enough reason for me to reject jesus. To quote Monty Python, "I didn't vote for him."
That's not what that prophecy entailed. It wasn't saying "Hey, Jesus is a distant relative of King David, so make Him your King." It was simply saying that Jesus would be a distant relative of David. It was mentionned to narrow the search, but that is one of the most insignificant of all the prophecies. Take a look at these:

Prophecy Prophesied in Old Testament Fulfillment in New Testament

- God would come to earth as a man. Isaiah 9:6-7 Mark 1:1
- He would be anointed with the Spirit
of God. Isaiah 61:1 John 3:34
- He would be of the seed of a woman. Genesis 3:15 Matthew 1:21
- He would be born of a virgin. Isaiah 7:14 Matthew 1:20-23
- Rachel would weep when He is born. Jeremiah 31:15 Matthew 2:16-18
- He would be called Immanuel. Isaiah 7:14 Matthew 1:23
- He would be called ‘Our Righteousness’. Jeremiah 23:6 1 Corinthians 1:30
- He would be the Saviour of all people. Jeremiah 33:16 Matthew 1:21
- He would be the Sacrificial Lamb. Isaiah 53:5 John 1:19
- He would be from the seed of Abraham. Genesis 22:16-18 Luke 1:72-73
- He would be from the seed of Isaac
and Jacob. Genesis 21:12 Luke 3:34
- He would be from the tribe of Judah. Isaiah 37:31 Matthew 1:1-2
- He would be from the root of Jesse. Isaiah 11:10 Romans 15:12
- He would be from the house of David. Isaiah 16:5 Matthew 1:1-2
- He would be born in Bethlehem. Micah 5:2 Matthew 2:1
- He would be from Nazareth of Galilee. Isaiah 9:1-2 Matthew 2:22-23
- His birth would bring a massacre of
young boys. Jeremiah 31:15 Matthew 2:16-18
- He would be out of Egypt. Hosea 11:1 Matthew 2:14-15
- He would be preceded by a messenger. Malachi 3:1 Luke 1:76
- His messenger would cry “Prepare
the way of the Lord.” Isaiah 40:3 Matthew 3:3
- His ministry would begin in Galilee. Isaiah 9:1-2 Matthew 4:13-16
- His ministry would be extended
to the Gentiles. Isaiah 49:6 Matthew 2:14-21
- He would proclaim a jubilee. Isaiah 58:6 Luke 4:16-21
- Kings would bow down to Him. Psalm 72:10-11 Matthew 2:1-11
- He would be tender and compassionate. Isaiah 40:11 Hebrews 4:15
- He would be meek and humble. Isaiah 42:2 Matthew 12:14-21
- He would be sinless. Isaiah 53:9 Peter 2:22
- He would be a man of peace. Isaiah 9:7 Ephesians 2:14-17
- He would enter the temple with authority. Haggai 2:7-9 Matthew 21:12
- He would enlighten mankind. Isaiah 9:1-2 Matthew 4:12-16
- He would give sight to the blind. Isaiah 61:1-3 Luke 4:16-21
- He would teach in parables. Psalm 78:2 Matthew 13:34-35
- He would perform great miracles. Isaiah 35:5-6 Luke 7:22
- He would perform miraculous healings. Isaiah 29:18 Luke 7:20-22
- He would deliver spiritual captives. Isaiah 61:1-2 Luke 4:16-21
- He would cleanse the temple. Psalm 69:9 Romans 15:3
- He would triumphantly enter Jerusalem. Zechariah 9:9 Matthew 21:4-11
- He would bring a new covenant. Jeremiah 31:31-34 Luke 22:20
- He would bring an everlasting
covenant through Himself. Isaiah 55:3 Luke 22:20
- He would deliver Israel and come to Zion. Isaiah 59:20-21 Romans 11:26-27
- He would be rejected by His own people. Isaiah 53:3 John 1:1
- He would be met with opposition. Psalm 118:22 Matthew 21:42-43
- He would be met with unbelief. Isaiah 6:10 John 12:37-41
- He would be despised and
rejected by men. Isaiah 53:3 Matthew 27:20-26
- He would be hated without cause. Psalm 69:4 John 7:48-49
- People would hear and see not. Isaiah 6:9-10 Matthew 13:14-15
- He would be rejected by the Rulers. Psalm 118:22 Matthew 21:42
- He would be rejected by His brothers. Psalm 69:8 John 7:1-5
- His enemies would conspire against Him. Psalm 2:1-2 Acts 4:25-28
- He would be betrayed by a close friend. Psalm 41:9 John 13:18
- He would be betrayed for thirty
pieces of silver. Zechariah 11:12 Matthew 26:14-15
- The thirty pieces of silver
would be returned. Zechariah 11:13 Matthew 27:5
- The thirty pieces of silver would be
used to buy a potter’s field. Zechariah 11:12-13 Matthew 27:7
- He would be met by false witnesses. Psalm 27:12-14 Mark 14:55-57
- When accused, He would remain silent. Isaiah 53:7 Matthew 26:62-63
- He would be beaten with a rod. Micah 5:1 Mark 15:19
- He would fall under the cross. Psalm 109:24 John 19:17
- He would be thirsty during His crucifixion. Psalm 22:15 John 19:28
- He would be given vinegar to drink. Psalm 69:21 Matthew 27:48
- He would pray for his persecutors. Isaiah 53:12 Luke 23:34
- He would be pierced for
our transgressions. Isaiah 53:5 John 19:34
- He would have his hands and feet nailed. Psalm 22:16 John 20:25
- He would be spat on. Isaiah 50:6 Matthew 26:67
- People would shake their heads at Him. Psalm 109:25 Matthew 27:39
- His loved ones would stand afar. Psalm 38:11 Luke 23:49
- He would be pierced at the side. Zechariah 12:10 John 19:34-37
- Darkness would overtake the
land at His death. Amos 8:9 Matthew 27:45
- His heart would be broken, it would
burst inside of Him. Psalm 22:14 John 19:34
- He would be assigned a grave
with the wicked. Isaiah 53:9 Matthew 27:38
- He would be crushed for our iniquities. Isaiah 53:5-6 Romans 4:25
- He would suffer for the sins of others. Psalm 69:4 1 Corinthians 15:3
- He would not break any bones. Psalm 34:20 John 19:33-36
- The soldiers would gamble for his clothes. Psalm 22:18 Matthew 27:35
- He would be mocked and taunted. Psalm 22:7-8 Luke 23:35
- He would be ‘forsaken’ by God. Psalm 22:1 Mark 15:34
- He would be buried in a rich man’s tomb. Isaiah 53:9 Matthew 27:57-60
- He would spend three days and
three nights in the grave. Jonah 1:17 Matthew 12:39-40
- He would rise from the dead. Isaiah 53:8-11 Matthew 28:2-9
- His resurrection would take
place on the third day. Hosea 6:2 Acts 13:33-35
- His disciples would disperse. Zechariah 13:7 Matthew 26:31
- He would not cry out. Isaiah 42:2-3 Mark 7:36
- The one who betrayed Him
would be replaced. Psalm 109:8 Acts 1:16-20
- He would ascend into Heaven. Daniel 7:13-14 Acts 1:9
- Given the name above all names. Isaiah 9:6 Philippians 2:9
- He would be the Eternal God
upon the throne. Psalm 45:6-7 Hebrews 1:8-13
- He would sit at God’s right hand. Psalm 16:8-11 Acts 2:34
- He would be declared the Son of God. Psalm 2:7 Hebrews 1:5
- He would be a priest of the order
of Melchizedek. Psalm 110:4 Hebrews 5:6
- He would let all angels worship Him. Psalm 97:7 Hebrews 1:6
- He would be praised by children. Psalm 8:2 Matthew 21:16
- He would be the Son of Man,
crowned with glory. Psalm 8:4-6 Hebrews 2:5-10
- He would declare His name in the church. Psalm 22:22 Hebrews 2:11-12
- He would be sought after by the Gentiles. Isaiah 11:10 Acts 10:45
- He would be accepted by the Gentiles. Isaiah 42:1-4 Romans 9:30
- His blood would be shed as a sacrifice. Exodus 24:8 Hebrews 9:11-28
- God would address Him as His Son. Psalm 2:7 Matthew 3:17
- He would commit His spirit to God. Psalm 31:5 Luke 23:46
- He would do God’s perfect will. Psalm 40:6-8 John 6:38
- He would have a love for God’s House. Psalm 69:9 John 2:14-22
- He will be a stone on which
people will stumble. Isaiah 8:14 1 Peter 2:7-8

When you examine these, I think you realize that being of the order of David is insignificant.

[Mog]

Wow, look at all those self-fulfilling prophecies and liberal translations of the old testament! Isn't Peter wonderful? Come on Peter, take a bow.