If you were God, how would your run the world?

[reconciled]

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[Philboid Studge]

I would give each consciousness the ability to experience anything it could imagine. Kind of like a super-Holodeck. I would also allow each to interact with me, God, as it chose. Anyone would be free to ignore me without fear of reprisal. I would reward skepticism. Avocado pits would be smaller, and cashews bigger. I'd raise the speed limit (186,000 miles per second is for suckers). Billy Joel wouldn't exist.

[Tenspace]

Guess you had the wrong answer, Philboid. When Carico said, "Just for my own curiousity.", she really meant, "Say anything so I can use my "Plank in the eye" opinion.

Geez, PB, you can't even properly assess how the world is run. What are you some kind of anti-assessor? C'mon, you could have at least said something about free ice cream to the kids, or adjustment of the fine scale structure of the universe to allow superluminal communications between different races of God's aliens. :D

[Philboid Studge]

Hi Tenspace. Why aren't you in church?

I think it was reconciled who wanted just his/her curiosity sated, but Carico was in town to jump all over me with her plank. She's right about one thing, though: I do think I could create a better world than Killy McGhee.

Re "free ice cream ... adjustment of the fine scale structure of the universe to allow superluminal communications between different races of God's aliens ...": Whatever you can imagine, baby.

[Ickybod]

Carico wrote:

The fact that the OP was even curious shows he doesn't see his own cuplability. He still thinks he knows how to create a better world than God does because of course, he doesn't see his own sin, but those of God's instead.
So you admit that god sins. You just said it - he can only see god's sins, meaning god sins and he can see it. Sorry but anyone who thinks god is a sinner clearly isn't a christian therefor you lost your right to argue god's point any further since you don't represent him properly. :D

[Ickybod]

Carico wrote:

Nope, but atheists do, which is why they try to tell him they can do a better job, which of course, only fools themselves. Since they continue to justify their desires to slander, gossip, hate God, engage in all sorts of sexual immorality, etc. then they are as unqualified to judge God as any lawbreaker is.
Sorry, but you did admit to god sinning. It's now been documented here on the RA and is as valid as the bible itself. You said

"He still thinks he knows how to create a better world than God does because of course, he doesn't see his own sin, but those of God's instead."

Meaning god sins and "He" can see them. Sorry but anything you say now will only be contradicting. :)

[Tenspace]

Hi Tenspace. Why aren't you in church?
My church is sitting in the driveway, awaiting a thorough underside cleaning and the repair of a minor oil leak. Afterwords, we will commune with the twisties and test the improvements to its cooling system. :)

[Tenspace]

Hi Tenspace. Why aren't you in church?
My church is sitting in the driveway, awaiting a thorough underside cleaning and the repair of a minor oil leak. Afterwords, we will commune with the twisties and test the improvements to its cooling system. :)
I didn't know you were a car worshiper? ;)
More of a generic speed worshipper. I have a 320hp miata and a Ninja race bike. In the old days, I raced RX-7s. I also fly, but you don't get that speed sensation, except during takeoff.

[a different tim]

So you'd be in favour of raising the 186,000mps speed limit then.....

[Tenspace]

I enjoyed that movie Bruce Almighty and many christians did also. I even know a group of baptist who liked it.

Anyway that sparked my question, I guess it should have occured to me that some would see it as "judging God" and jump in to the defense of God. I just don't see why some are so serious about it.
Yeah, it was funny; they avoided inflammatory irreverence, though. Kinda whitewashed. :)

Have you seen Dogma? It's a Kevin Smith flick, with Ben Affleck, Matt Damon, Chris Rock, Linda Fiorentino, George Carlin... Here's a memorable quote that I'm sure Choob would love:

Jay (Jason Mewes): Yo man, tell me something about me.
Rufus (Chris Rock): You masturbate more than anyone on the planet.
Jay: Aw fuck, everyone knows that. Tell me something nobody knows.
Rufus: When you do it, you're thinking about guys.
[a shocked Silent Bob stares at Jay]
Jay: Dude, not all the time.

[Tenspace]

So you'd be in favour of raising the 186,000mps speed limit then.....
I wonder what 186,000mps would feel like?
The same as standing still. It's accelerated motion that you feel. Of course, by the time you got there, you'd be pretty massive.

(Edit to physics geeks: this is a hypothetical world where c is greater than 300k/s, so yes, we can attain that speed) :D

Reconciled, have you ever used www.wikipedia.org? Check out the articles on Special Relativity and General Relativity. Cool stuff.

[Oz]

Dude, if I were God I wouldn't waste my time with the world. I'd be off causing supernovae somewhere else because that's so cool. I'd gratuitously violate the laws of physics just because I could. I'd make an isolated system where entropy decreased! I'd make heat transfer from hot to hotter without any work! I'd build a heat engine where all the heat input is converted to useful work! And I'd do it all at the same time.

[kmisho]

The problem is that if there is a god, there is no reason to create anything. What use could an all perfect being have for a creation? As I see it, the existence of the universe is itself proof that there is no god.

[calpurnpiso]

The problem is that if there is a god, there is no reason to create anything. What use could an all perfect being have for a creation? As I see it, the existence of the universe is itself proof that there is no god.
EXACTLY!!....an omnipotent, omniscient, all good all perfect, god, would have NO NEEDS for simply ETERNAL EXISTENCE will be it.

The reason ID is the stupidest of all stupid thinking!!..which simply indicates a malfunctioning brain..ergo....diseased...:)

[Baphomet]

Kmisho wrote:

The problem is that if there is a god, there is no reason to create anything. What use could an all perfect being have for a creation? As I see it, the existence of the universe is itself proof that there is no god.
Exactly! Heh, the universe is proof there is no god...

[Baphomet]

Actually, if I were to be god, and I had to run the world as it is, I would easily eliminate all suffering. And I wouldn't have to violate freewill, because I'd have the knowledge and power to do so.

[miata]

Just for my own curiosity?
I would kill myself and make everyone happy.

[There Is]

"If you were God, how would you run the world?"

I've thought about this problem many times during prostate checks. Here's the best I've come up with so far, all to be placed into a book that'd almost put the lunacy of the Christian bible to shame, but not ever quite:

prrrrfffffffffftttttttttt @!!!!!!!!!!!!!______ (old modem sounds) V^V^V^V^V^V^V^V^V^V^VVVVVVVV :lol::o:lol::o:lol::o:D:|:):|:rolleyes: chinese dentist............

after which I'd ask the mutton for the meaning of my existence. Since the mutton would offer no response, because it's a fucking dead sack of MEAT!, I'd get angry, start five hurricanes, and place ten more Paris Hiltons on earth. I'd then ask the latest Aztec sacrifice to get rid of that smell.

Then, more emoticons:

:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P
Three tongues for the Dumbass-kings under the fold,
Seven for the Duffus things carved in stone,
:lol:!CUT!:lol:

Then there'd be intermission. After people had gone zippy looney toon enough, I'd tell everyone there is no God, and fade away into non-existence, and let the next season of Star Trek commence.

In my spare time, I'd call myself Satan, call myself the New Jersey Devil, Dildo and bathe in his corner with all kinds of lava pits.

For fun, I'd let a tennis ball be God for a while.

Boy, that tennis ball really knows how to rule.

Of course, the tennis ball would be tyrannical, and outlaw stem cell research, but not before making everyone an immortal God of their own. Since there isn't enough energy in the universe for such an undertaking, the tennis ball would have to ask the No. 2 Pencil for permission to drill Alaskan politicians for blood.

Man, that tennis ball makes me really indifferent sometimes.

So in return I'd replace Christmas with St. Patricks Day and fill the globe with extremely attractive nymphs, one for every person who likes having sex. I'd then force everyone to have sex for fifty days, and 300 nights, all within the same week.

Man, them's the glory days.

Once the earth reached year 6 billion, I'd ask the Quasars to make more teflon, and five people. After the Quasars told me to fuck off, I'd bow my head in shame, and rule that from that day forth, no longer would there be rulings from days forth.

It comes as it should do, would you do, like teflon. :P

prrrrfffffffffftttttttttt @!!!!!!!!!!!!!______ (old modem sounds) V^V^V^V^V^V^V^V^V^V^VVVVVVVV :lol::o:lol::o:lol::o:D:|:):|:rolleyes: chinese dentist............
Or then again:

The entire concept could be so looney that I could just not exist.
But that's just me.

[Rhinoqulous]

I like the way you think, There Is.

[miata]

I would ask Christians to eat each other. This would do away with hunger and fundies.

[ClemDango]

What kind of God am I supposed to be? Omnimax? There would be no world to rule. A truly perfect being has no insentive for creation, or any other actions. It is, by definition, perfectly self sufficient.

[Snappy McPoisonTounge]

if you like kevin smith movies( silent bob for those who don't know) watch "Vulgar".

As far as the thread question, Easy I would just live with rules established by normal sane people.
"..the world would be a better place, for you, for me that's the way it should be.."

[theguy]

My church is sitting in the driveway, awaiting a thorough underside cleaning and the repair of a minor oil leak. Afterwords, we will commune with the twisties and test the improvements to its cooling system. :)
I didn't know you were a car worshiper? ;)
More of a generic speed worshipper. I have a 320hp miata and a Ninja race bike. In the old days, I raced RX-7s. I also fly, but you don't get that speed sensation, except during takeoff.
I prefer the old Chevies. My dad has a '55 Chevy with a blown big block.

[Tenspace]

I didn't know you were a car worshiper? ;)
More of a generic speed worshipper. I have a 320hp miata and a Ninja race bike. In the old days, I raced RX-7s. I also fly, but you don't get that speed sensation, except during takeoff.
I prefer the old Chevies. My dad has a '55 Chevy with a blown big block.
Einstein was definitely on to something with that accelerated motion thing. :)

I wonder what evolutionary advantage my love for accelerated motion is selected for?

[Rocketman]

I would make life fair.

Everything should have a happy ending don't you think?

[beerbelly]

if i was god i would tell everyone why we exist

[TheManDownTheStreet]

I would torture people and throw lightning at them and then i would light their houses on fire and burn their livestock so i could laugh in their faces :P i am joking!!!




i would really give everyone a LOT of money and rid the world of disease and war. Of course, i am not god, and i dont think there is a god, so these aren't gonna happen.

[TheManDownTheStreet]

if i was god i would tell everyone why we exist
if you were god, would you KNOW why everyone existed?

[Ickybod]

If I was god, I would make everyone worship me and sacrifice animals to me. All would have to praise my name even though I'd never give anyone evidence of my existence and if anyone ever doubted me, they would go to hell. hmm... maybe I am god!

[theguy]

More of a generic speed worshipper. I have a 320hp miata and a Ninja race bike. In the old days, I raced RX-7s. I also fly, but you don't get that speed sensation, except during takeoff.
I prefer the old Chevies. My dad has a '55 Chevy with a blown big block.
Einstein was definitely on to something with that accelerated motion thing. :)

I wonder what evolutionary advantage my love for accelerated motion is selected for?
The desire for adrenaline may be linked to the fact that it increases strength.

[TheManDownTheStreet]

is it wrong to ask you, theguy, why you linked acceleration with adrenaline?

[There Is]

I like the way you think, There Is.
Awe shucks. ;)

You're just saying that, because the tennis ball made you do it.

[Rat Bastard]

I didn't know you were a car worshiper? ;)
More of a generic speed worshipper. I have a 320hp miata and a Ninja race bike. In the old days, I raced RX-7s. I also fly, but you don't get that speed sensation, except during takeoff.
I prefer the old Chevies. My dad has a '55 Chevy with a blown big block.
I have a '68 Buick Skylark Gran Sport back home. It runs out OK. Know what you mean about the need for speed! Although it is the neck-snapping acceleration that is most fun...

[beerbelly]

if i was god i would tell everyone why we exist
if you were god, would you KNOW why everyone existed?
god spoke to me last night and told me to give you this message

he told me how he has sent his message to other monkeys "oops" i mean humans before and how they eventualy twisted and rewrote his messages. he said the last guy has been cast to hell for his lies "muha something" but anyway nevermind.

he said all the souls are trapped amongst us (ghosts, supernatural things we see) and are unable to go to heaven unless like all alien lifeforms have done.we EVOLVE.

he says you must all work together and until the day comes when you can sustain your own planet, live in peace and guarantee your future generations for millions of years to come. only then he will show us the force what will give us the power we need to fly from this rock and meet our alien brothers light years away before our bright light in the sky flickers out.

he told me he shook the planet recently and how he blew on it to back up his message.

pay heed this is his final warning.

[Baphomet]

If I were god, I wouldn't kill myself in order to forgive my own mistake and appease myself... that's just dumb.

[Lurker]

If I were god, I'd forgive those who wanted me to forgive them, and not forgive those who didn't think they needed me to forgive them.

[Lurker]

How, exactly, would something a mortal does effect God the supreme creator in a way that He would be so offended that He would need us to ask Him to forgive us after He kill Himself so we could stop burning and killing animals so that He could smell that wonderful grill smell and forgive us?
I guess the same way a judge is offended by a convicted murderer so much that he sentences him to death. What did the convict do to the judge that would make him so angry? Why not just let the convict go free?

[Lurker]

You can not apply this analogy to A god. As a god you would create evil and good, not just make rules like a man does. And anyway does a judge get offended "personally" with the murderer?
Not sure what the first part means or how it applies here. Personally offended or not, it doesn't matter. The judge carries out the sentence either way. The prosecuting attorney is also after the convict and he did nothing to them either.

[Lurker]

People are money motivated, you completely ignored as a god you create evil and good?
I didn't ignore anything, I didn't understand what you were saying.

So people are convicted because people are money motivated? Nobody is guilty? As god I don't create evil.

[Lurker]

....you would have created evil, because a god makes Everything.
Including a rock so heavy he couldn't lift, right? ;)

It even says in the bible that your god created evil.
This refers to adversity/calamity.

Sure people are guilty, but your analogy to a judge was flawed because how many judges do you know that work for free just because they are offended?
This is a silly pushback. I guess if a judge sentences someone on his day off, thus working for free, or is rich enough to work for free, then my argument is valid?

[Mog]

....you would have created evil, because a god makes Everything.
Including a rock so heavy he couldn't lift, right? ;)
I don't think what reconciled says belongs in paradox territory. The point is that God could have created flawless people, including those without the "flaw" of disobedience to god. If you happen to be god, and you created either intentionally or unintentionally, a person with the trait of disobedience towards a higher power, then you, being the higher power is responsible for his disobedience, thus punishing such a being should in turn mean you should punish yourself for creating such a being.

[Lurker]

The point is that God could have created flawless people, including those without the "flaw" of disobedience to god.
Could have created - yes.
Did create - no.

If you happen to be god, and you created either intentionally or unintentionally, a person with the trait of disobedience towards a higher power, then you, being the higher power is responsible for his disobedience, thus punishing such a being should in turn mean you should punish yourself for creating such a being.
By analogy, you know full well your child will die yet you decided to create the child anyway. Are you responsible for your child's death?

If you created the child with the purpose of killing it then I'd say you're guilty. If you created it with the purpose of having it live, even though you knew it would die, then I'd say you're not guilty.

[Mog]

The point is that God could have created flawless people, including those without the "flaw" of disobedience to god.
Could have created - yes.
Did create - no.
Which means he has no reason to complain if someone demonstrates one of those flaws. And if someone does something wrong because of those flaws, he shouldn't be punished...at least not permanently.


If you happen to be god, and you created either intentionally or unintentionally, a person with the trait of disobedience towards a higher power, then you, being the higher power is responsible for his disobedience, thus punishing such a being should in turn mean you should punish yourself for creating such a being.
By analogy, you know full well your child will die yet you decided to create the child anyway. Are you responsible for your child's death?

If you created the child with the purpose of killing it then I'd say you're guilty. If you created it with the purpose of having it live, even though you knew it would die, then I'd say you're not guilty.
Except this is a different question entirely. I'm not merely talking about existence, but a personality trait. I might not feel responsible for the child's death, but I would feel responsible at least in part, if a kid I raised falied to live up to my expectations, however, there may be things in the environment beyond my control. If you are god, that there are things in the environment beyond your control is an impossibility.

Now you can say that disobedience is a sign of free will, but punishing or even the mere threat of punishment for disobedience is in a sense imposing your own will. So hell and heaven, in a sense, is an indirect violation of free will.

[calpurnpiso]

If I was god I would have not created anything, since the mere act of creating would redefine my existence as a non god....a god has no needs.:)

[beerbelly]

hear ye hear ye!

you dont know of our existance but this book does .....it explains it all right here!

just read it and attend our elaborate building every sunday.......now get back to work!

[HeWhoAsks]

The point is that God could have created flawless people, including those without the "flaw" of disobedience to god.
Could have created - yes.
Did create - no.

If you happen to be god, and you created either intentionally or unintentionally, a person with the trait of disobedience towards a higher power, then you, being the higher power is responsible for his disobedience, thus punishing such a being should in turn mean you should punish yourself for creating such a being.
By analogy, you know full well your child will die yet you decided to create the child anyway. Are you responsible for your child's death?
Parents do not *choose* to create children that will eventually die. That characteristic is out of their hands. This is not analogous to god's position, though; the characteristic of being flawed was completely within his decision and power he decided to make people with free will, and so must be responsible (along with them) when some of them choose wrongly. Not only his action, but his intent, must result in disobedience.

[Iconoclastic1]

If I were god, I'd forgive those who wanted me to forgive them, and not forgive those who didn't think they needed me to forgive them.
But then you'd hide from them the fact that they've done anything to bug ya, and forget to tell them they need forgiveness in the first place. So in your alternate reality here would people need forgiveness merely for having been born? Would you put the tresspasses of one individual on the head of another individual? Would you make the punishment in the afterlife fit the crime, or would every punishment for limited and finite crimes be instead infinite and eternal? Would you hide your existance and then punish those who did not believe that you existed?

[Rat Bastard]

HeWhoAsks wrote:

Parents do not *choose* to create children that will eventually die. That characteristic is out of their hands. This is not analogous to god's position, though; the characteristic of being flawed was completely within his decision and power he decided to make people with free will, and so must be responsible (along with them) when some of them choose wrongly. Not only his action, but his intent, must result in disobedience.

Loggy sez: Parents do so choose to create children that will eventually die....every one of them, eventually.:rolleyes: