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Godlovesyou 08-03-2015 09:42 PM

Cell Membranes, origins through natural mechanisms, or design ?
 
http://reasonandscience.heavenforum....structure#3798

According to this website : The Interdependency of Lipid Membranes and Membrane Proteins
The cell membrane contains various types of proteins, including ion channel proteins, proton pumps, G proteins, and enzymes. These membrane proteins function cooperatively to allow ions to penetrate the lipid bilayer. The interdependency of lipid membranes and membrane proteins suggests that lipid bilayers and membrane proteins co-evolved together with membrane bioenergetics.

The nonsense of this assertion is evident. How could the membrane proteins co-evolve, if they had to be manufactured in the machinery , protected by the cell membrane ?

The cell membrane contains various types of proteins, including ion channel proteins, proton pumps, G proteins, and enzymes. These membrane proteins function cooperatively to allow ions to penetrate the lipid bilayer.

The ER and Golgi apparatus together constitute the endomembrane compartment in the cytoplasm of eukaryotic cells. The endomembrane compartment is a major site of lipid synthesis, and the ER is where not only lipids are synthesized, but membrane-bound proteins and secretory proteins are also made.

So in order to make cell membranes, the Endoplasmic Recticulum is required. But also the Golgi Apparatus, the peroxysome, and the mitochondria. But these only function, if protected and encapsulated in the cell membrane. What came first, the cell membrane, or the endoplasmic recticulum ? This is one of many other catch22 situations in the cell, which indicate that the cell could not emerge in a stepwise gradual manner, as proponents of natural mechanisms want to make us believe.

Not only is the cell membrane intricate and complex (and certainly not random), but it has tuning parameters such as the degree to which the phospholipid tails are saturated. It is another example of a sophisticated biological design about which evolutionists can only speculate. Random mutations must have luckily assembled molecular mechanisms which sense environmental challenges and respond to them by altering the phospholipid population in the membrane in just the right way. Such designs are tremendously helpful so of course they would have been preserved by natural selection. It is yet another example of how silly evolutionary theory is in light of scientific facts.

Smellyoldgit 08-04-2015 04:11 AM

"evidence of God, a rational belief"
"Heaven Forum"

Gosh, this could be oh so enlightening - I'm so looking forward to finally learning exactly how 'Goddidit' :rolleyes:

Fucking wanker.

Hobotronic2037 08-04-2015 05:00 AM

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Godlovesyou wrote (Post 684494)
http://reasonandscience.heavenforum....structure#3798

According to this website : The Interdependency of Lipid Membranes and Membrane Proteins
The cell membrane contains various types of proteins, including ion channel proteins, proton pumps, G proteins, and enzymes. These membrane proteins function cooperatively to allow ions to penetrate the lipid bilayer. The interdependency of lipid membranes and membrane proteins suggests that lipid bilayers and membrane proteins co-evolved together with membrane bioenergetics.

The nonsense of this assertion is evident. How could the membrane proteins co-evolve, if they had to be manufactured in the machinery , protected by the cell membrane ?

The cell membrane contains various types of proteins, including ion channel proteins, proton pumps, G proteins, and enzymes. These membrane proteins function cooperatively to allow ions to penetrate the lipid bilayer.

The ER and Golgi apparatus together constitute the endomembrane compartment in the cytoplasm of eukaryotic cells. The endomembrane compartment is a major site of lipid synthesis, and the ER is where not only lipids are synthesized, but membrane-bound proteins and secretory proteins are also made.

So in order to make cell membranes, the Endoplasmic Recticulum is required. But also the Golgi Apparatus, the peroxysome, and the mitochondria. But these only function, if protected and encapsulated in the cell membrane. What came first, the cell membrane, or the endoplasmic recticulum ? This is one of many other catch22 situations in the cell, which indicate that the cell could not emerge in a stepwise gradual manner, as proponents of natural mechanisms want to make us believe.

Not only is the cell membrane intricate and complex (and certainly not random), but it has tuning parameters such as the degree to which the phospholipid tails are saturated. It is another example of a sophisticated biological design about which evolutionists can only speculate. Random mutations must have luckily assembled molecular mechanisms which sense environmental challenges and respond to them by altering the phospholipid population in the membrane in just the right way. Such designs are tremendously helpful so of course they would have been preserved by natural selection. It is yet another example of how silly evolutionary theory is in light of scientific facts.

Ok. Good to know.

I'm curious. Do you have any useful scientific theories about why the endomembrane compartment in the cytoplasm of eukaryotic cells exists?

Davin 08-04-2015 06:38 AM

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Godlovesyou wrote (Post 684494)
It is yet another example of how silly evolutionary theory is in light of scientific facts.

:lol:

And I have many examples of how silly belief in god is in light of believing in god! :lol:

Smellyoldgit 08-04-2015 06:59 AM

Two years ago this visiting fool enticed me to write this

Quote:

Yet here you are again, another in a tedious line of godidiots trying to hammer a square peg of nonsense into your shitstained butt-hole for our amusement. Notice how once again you completely avoid explaining your leaps of logic to get from "amazing universe" to "my goddidit"
I look forward to you calling us naughty boys again, spouting more horseshit, avoiding the question and finally fucking off.
He's still tedious, still exposing his shitstained goatse butt hole and still avoiding explaining just how his goddidit.

The folks at The Thinking Atheist are having fun with the twat as well.

Godlovesyou 08-04-2015 08:46 AM

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Smellyoldgit wrote (Post 684498)
Two years ago this visiting fool enticed me to write this



He's still tedious, still exposing his shitstained goatse butt hole and still avoiding explaining just how his goddidit.

The folks at The Thinking Atheist are having fun with the twat as well.

wow over 12 thousand posts, and you still believe in foolish nonsense ??

Well, to change this and cure your irrationality, a good start would be for you to try to explain how the cell membrane emerged naturally.

Kinich Ahau 08-04-2015 08:56 AM

Fuck you! We are dealing with eggs and chickens at the moment.

Wait your turn.

Smellyoldgit 08-04-2015 08:58 AM

Oh no - this is another chance for you to finally entertain us with your goddidit explanation - or do we wait two more years for some more copy-pasta pseudo-sciency apologetics crap?

Michael 08-04-2015 03:17 PM

Wow more unimpressive "irreducible complexity" arguments that are asserted but not shown to be correct...

Boring.

Hobotronic2037 08-04-2015 03:32 PM

The OP appears to be insane in the semi-permeable membrane.

Smellyoldgit 08-04-2015 05:33 PM

wonder if the knob on the end of his dick was supernaturally designed to prevent his hand from slipping off?

AtomJack 08-04-2015 07:34 PM

OK, "Godlovesyou", I'll give you a break. Do you have any understanding of how big the earth and its oceans are? I want an answer to this question, only, for a start. It would be nice if you could come back with how many cubic miles of water are contained therein. That's your homework, upon which many more questions will be asked, and I will respond with more questions. Maybe you are educable, since you seem to be interested in answers. We'll see. BTW, shit answers move you to my dungeon, and I will subsequently ignore you.

Kinich Ahau 08-05-2015 02:15 AM

That web site, heaven forums, is super wacky, I went straight from one page saying that it is logical that God cannot be observed to a page with a whole list of "photographic evidence of God" showing fucking orbs, light artefacts, lens flares and dust. Real scientificalish stuff.

Hobotronic2037 08-05-2015 05:03 AM

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Smellyoldgit wrote (Post 684504)
wonder if the knob on the end of his dick was supernaturally designed to prevent his hand from slipping off?

This seems more like one who has repeatedly whacked himself in the fore head.

Godlovesyou 08-05-2015 07:23 AM

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AtomJack wrote (Post 684505)
OK, "Godlovesyou", I'll give you a break. Do you have any understanding of how big the earth and its oceans are?

what do your questions have to do with my op ?


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