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pita 08-12-2017 01:22 PM

Does this debunk scientific explanations for Near Death Experiences?
 
Many scientists claim NDEs occur due to lack of oxygen in the brain, and hypoxia. However, this article has sources which challenge this.

http://skeptiko.com/critique-of-skeptics-guide-249/

I have also seen studies where patients who had NDEs had just as much oxygen as others who did not have life threatening problems. It seems to suggest that oxygen cannot be the answer. Oxygen deprivation seems to create weird hallucinations sometimes which are scary and painful.

Also, most of the time, people who have a lack of oxygen barely have any oxygen loss and they still report these same experiences. People don't even have to be near death to have them. Does this article prove NDEs are true?

http://skeptiko.com/critique-of-skeptics-guide-249/

Smellyoldgit 08-12-2017 03:39 PM

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pita wrote (Post 687651)
People don't even have to be near death to have them.
Does this article prove NDEs are true?

Do you realise how retardedly stupid this sounds? :rolleyes:

Davin 08-14-2017 06:48 AM

I know this user is just JAQing off by posing stupid questions and then leaving, but why don't people who almost get shot get NDEs? If a bullet missed their head by 2", I would think that is pretty close to death.

Sinfidel 08-14-2017 01:37 PM

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Davin wrote (Post 687656)
I know this user is just JAQing off by posing stupid questions and then leaving, but why don't people who almost get shot get NDEs? If a bullet missed their head by 2", I would think that is pretty close to death.


I had an NDE experience. As a foolish adolescent, tried to impress by holding my breath and doing a record underwater swim. Had the usual dark tunnel with the bright white light in the distance.
Obviously an oxygen starved brain. Luckily, a friend noticed my cessation of swimming, and pulled me out from a near drowning.
Needless to say, I am since sceptical of NDE's as evidence of an afterlife.

:lol:

The Judge 10-05-2017 02:41 PM

It's been a while but as a doctor I simply couldn't let this one slide:

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pita wrote (Post 687651)
Many scientists claim NDEs occur due to lack of oxygen in the brain, and hypoxia.

Lack of oxygen IS hypoxia numbnuts, there is no "lack of oxygen and hypoxia."


Quote:

pita wrote (Post 687651)
I have also seen studies where patients who had NDEs had just as much oxygen as others who did not have life threatening problems.

"Had" as is were administered or "had" as in had in their system when it was measured because these are two very different things.

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pita wrote (Post 687651)
Also, most of the time, people who have a lack of oxygen barely have any oxygen loss...

I'm sorry, what now?! The physiology of oxygen delivery, uptake, transport and end-organ delivery all disagree with you.

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pita wrote (Post 687651)
People don't even have to be near death to have them. Does this article prove NDEs are true?

I think what you're trying to get at is you don't need to be "nearly about to die" in order to have weird, difficult to explain experiences. That is about the only sensible thing I can surmise from your post.

There are many medications and street drugs that produce unusual hallucinatory / dissociative experiences. This however only makes them as real as it is for the person experiencing them.

Amongst the above mishmash of contradictory statements and half-baked conclusions I smell a more interesting question at the heart of all of this; is any experience really "true?" That is to say to what extent does our experience of the world reflect how the world really is and how do we know this to be so?

Kate 10-05-2017 03:27 PM

Greetings to The Judge! :wave:

Smellyoldgit 10-05-2017 05:02 PM

All rise!

The Judge 10-06-2017 06:27 AM

Please be seated my esteemed American colleagues and smelly pseudo American friends! (lol)
Good to be back. It's been far too long :)

Davin 10-06-2017 07:36 AM

Welcome back!

The Judge 10-07-2017 09:31 AM

Thanks :) Just checked, I can't believe it's been 5 years since my last post!
Good to be back. It's kind of like a "calling" you know :P


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