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Andrew66 11-06-2017 10:42 AM

Explanation of the Universe requires non conventional thinking.
 
Even Matt Dillahunty (Atheist extraordinaire) has been quoted as saying that the Existence of the Universe (or more broadly "Physical Existence") demands an Explanation!

The Explanation is an illusive one.

It seems that either:

1) Physical Existence is eternal and has always been dynamic, or "in motion" (this requires an infinite regress - Theistic Position, vast capacity for progressive evolution suggest Existence of a Higher Power. Naturalistic Position; cannot rule out the possibiity, but no compelling empirical evidence yet for existence of a Higher Power)

2) Physical Existence is eternal, and was at first frozen and then became dynamic (this requires an "atemporal" first cause - Theistic position, suggests God as a "prime mover". Naturalistic Position - none)

3) Physical Existence is finite and came into being from a non-physical cause (Theistic position, suggests existence of a non physical "spirit" world. Naturalistic Position - none).

4) Physical Existence is finite and came into being without a cause. (Theistic Position, none. Naturalistic position, *none).

Note: Physical "Laws" are considered part of Physical Existence.

* See book by Lawrence Krause entitled A universe from nothing. "Nothing" as described by Krause actually comprises a quantum vacuum which contains energy, hence is not really "nothing".

No matter how you slice it, the "Explanation" for Physical Existence is pretty damn mysterious, as the human mind cannot fathom an; infinite regress, an atemporal first cause, a non-physical cause, nor coming into being without any kind of cause at all.

From the above it can be asserted that the "Explanation" does not follow conventional norms of how the world typically operates.

Atheists always seem to claim that Theism does not follow conventional norms, and Theism does offer explanations for some of the seemingly impossible possibilities.... hmmmmmm ...

Just saying... Room for Faith??

Sinfidel 11-06-2017 01:03 PM

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Andrew66 wrote (Post 688718)

* See book by Lawrence Krause entitled A universe from nothing. "Nothing" as described by Krause actually comprises a quantum vacuum which contains energy, hence is not really "nothing".

The scientific world will probably stick with the rational definition -

vac·u·um
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noun
noun: vacuum; plural noun: vacua; plural noun: vacuums
  1. 1.
    a space entirely devoid of matter.
    synonyms:emptiness, void, nothingness, vacancy, absence, black hole "people longing to fill the spiritual vacuum in their lives"











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rather than your bullshit.

BTW, how's that sperm donating going? are you still delivering via Star Trek Transporter beam?

:bird:

Sinfidel 11-06-2017 01:11 PM

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Andrew66 wrote (Post 688718)

The Explanation is an illusive one.

:lol:

Indeed. It seems many things elude you.

Sinfidel 11-06-2017 01:23 PM

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Andrew66 wrote (Post 688718)
Even Matt Dillahunty (Atheist extraordinaire) has been quoted as saying that the Existence of the Universe (or more broadly "Physical Existence") demands an Explanation!

Evidence? :lol:

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Just saying... Room for Faith??
Speaking of Matt Dillahunty quotes -

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Is there anything that one couldn't believe based on faith?
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So basically what you're saying is you believe this to be true despite the fact that you have no evidence to support that [statement]
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Buzzwords of ignorance
:thumbsup::lol:

Sinfidel 11-06-2017 01:27 PM

Are you a graduate of Trump U? :rock:

Andrew66 11-06-2017 01:35 PM

Sinny your rambling like an idiot.

Don't you find it interesting that it seems that all explanations of how the Cosmos exist appear to be beyond human comprehension?

The power of God surpasses all understanding.

Get it?

And yes, belief in God is primarily based in faith. Do you have a problem with that?

Smellyoldgit 11-06-2017 04:32 PM

I think I'm losing the will to shit. :rolleyes:

Sinfidel 11-06-2017 10:21 PM

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Andrew66 wrote (Post 688725)
Sinny your rambling like an idiot.

Don't you find it interesting that it seems that all explanations of how the Cosmos exist appear to be beyond human comprehension?

The power of God surpasses all understanding.

Get it?

And yes, belief in God is primarily based in faith. Do you have a problem with that?

https://scontent.fybz1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...71&oe=5AAA84EF

:cool:

Sinfidel 11-06-2017 10:38 PM

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Andrew66 wrote (Post 688718)
Even Matt Dillahunty (Atheist extraordinaire) has been quoted as saying that the Existence of the Universe (or more broadly "Physical Existence") demands an Explanation!

The Explanation is an illusive one.

It seems that either:

1) Physical Existence is eternal and has always been dynamic, or "in motion" (this requires an infinite regress - Theistic Position, vast capacity for progressive evolution suggest Existence of a Higher Power. Naturalistic Position; cannot rule out the possibiity, but no compelling empirical evidence yet for existence of a Higher Power)

2) Physical Existence is eternal, and was at first frozen and then became dynamic (this requires an "atemporal" first cause - Theistic position, suggests God as a "prime mover". Naturalistic Position - none)

3) Physical Existence is finite and came into being from a non-physical cause (Theistic position, suggests existence of a non physical "spirit" world. Naturalistic Position - none).

4) Physical Existence is finite and came into being without a cause. (Theistic Position, none. Naturalistic position, *none).

Note: Physical "Laws" are considered part of Physical Existence.

* See book by Lawrence Krause entitled A universe from nothing. "Nothing" as described by Krause actually comprises a quantum vacuum which contains energy, hence is not really "nothing".

No matter how you slice it, the "Explanation" for Physical Existence is pretty damn mysterious, as the human mind cannot fathom an; infinite regress, an atemporal first cause, a non-physical cause, nor coming into being without any kind of cause at all.

From the above it can be asserted that the "Explanation" does not follow conventional norms of how the world typically operates.

Atheists always seem to claim that Theism does not follow conventional norms, and Theism does offer explanations for some of the seemingly impossible possibilities.... hmmmmmm ...

Just saying... Room for Faith??

Quote:

Scientists find a link between low intelligence and acceptance of 'pseudo-profound bulls***'


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/sc...-a6757731.html

Sinfidel 11-06-2017 10:50 PM

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Smellyoldgit wrote (Post 688726)
I think I'm losing the will to shit. :rolleyes:


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Davin 11-07-2017 07:44 AM

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Andrew66 wrote (Post 688718)
Just saying... Room for Faith??

Faith is a useless thing in itself, but it is also a thing that can be taken advantage of. If you want to avoid being taken advantage of, then don't rely on faith. You won't be missing out on anything.

Kinich Ahau 11-07-2017 09:18 PM

Faith = wishful thinking

Very scientific Andy.

Andrew66 11-08-2017 10:42 AM

Hi Everyone

What shitty Atheists you are, not one of you has proclaimed my statements represent a God of the Gaps Argument.

Maybe I wrote it to sciency so it bored you all and you didn't even read it? Clearly from your comments none of you are critical thinkers or scientists!!!!!:rolleyes:

One things I'll say, just because in the past scientists have suggested that a God must exist in explanation of a difficult observation or problem (in this case the Explanation of the Universe) and were later proven wrong, that doesn't mean that future Gap or Gaps yet unsolved must follow the same result.

As long as their are Gaps in science where God can reside, there can and will be faith.

By the way, for those of you who read the first post, another possibility I suppose is the Physical Existence doesn't really exist!!

Maybe all there is an un-embodied consciousness world (aka spirit world) and we are living in a dream like state. I suppose this would support Theism more so than naturalism. Gee, most of the possibilities support Theism over Naturalism! :thumbsup:

Smellyoldgit 11-08-2017 10:57 AM

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Andrew66 wrote (Post 688736)
......Clearly from your comments none of you are critical thinkers or scientists!!!!!:rolleyes:

False dichotomy. You forgot the option that everybody here thinks you're a cunt and couldn't be bothered with your continued spewing of retarded wank.
Also, you may have noticed nobody paid attention to your earlier fallacious Argumentum ad Populum, and endless Arguments from Incredulity.
Come up with something original & worthwhile and you may get serious responses - till then, fuck off.

Andrew66 11-08-2017 11:42 AM

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Smellyoldgit wrote (Post 688737)
False dichotomy. You forgot the option that everybody here thinks you're a cunt and couldn't be bothered with your continued spewing of retarded wank.
Also, you may have noticed nobody paid attention to your earlier fallacious Argumentum ad Populum, and endless Arguments from Incredulity.
Come up with something original & worthwhile and you may get serious responses - till then, fuck off.

HaHa I gave a lot more than two options, and you think its a "dichotomy". What a fucking retard you are!!

Argumentum ad populum - eeeewwww latin, your so smart:rolleyes:

R u talking about the Evidence for Jesus's resurrection argument, because the historic pieces leading to the conclusion are is based on acceptence from a majority of Historical Scholarship?

You are so fucking stoopid its hard to believe.

In science (have you heard of that?) - where the science leads to policy statements which become adopted, scientists get together and make what are called consensus statements. There will always be a stoopid outliers who object, so it is majority rule. The public who adopts and benefits from scientific consensus statements (often in medicine) don't cry "argumenum ad populum" and go with the outlier's views - often in fact it becomes illegal to do so.

Go wank yourself off, that is all your good for - your mind and comments are shit.:lol::lol::lol:


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