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hertz vanrental 01-10-2018 10:22 AM

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Sinfidel wrote (Post 689905)

+1

Egor 01-10-2018 10:30 AM

What I'm watching right now...

DEBATE: Atheists vs Christians (Krauss + Shermer vs D'Souza + Hutchinson)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7vEB6FXtbs

hertz vanrental 01-10-2018 10:33 AM

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Egor wrote (Post 689907)
What I'm watching right now...

DEBATE: Atheists vs Christians (Krauss + Shermer vs D'Souza + Hutchinson)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7vEB6FXtbs

I'll take Krauss and give you 3 pts.

Smellyoldgit 01-10-2018 10:38 AM

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Andrew66 wrote (Post 689897)
Davin and Smelly in particular, while seeming a bit unfriendly in their posts at time, have argued sentimentally for the brotherhood of man - a Christian position.

Fuck off, this is nothing to do with your jesus based wank. As Kinich pointed out, this is Humanism - look it up.
The only christian position of slight interest is missionary - and even that's boring after a couple of shags!

Egor 01-10-2018 10:47 AM

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Kinich Ahau wrote (Post 689895)
You are not very good at sport are you?

Who cares? http://veridican.com/smilies/coffeedrinker.gif

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hertz vanrental wrote (Post 689896)
He dresses to thrill
He dances to impress
He invents conundrums
He drinks to excess.

Shoot to thrill. :rock:

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hertz vanrental wrote (Post 689908)
I'll take Krauss and give you 3 pts.

Krauss is crude idiot with stupid ideas like "nothing" has a weight.

And why do atheists always dress like shit? The other side is in nice suits, look dignified, and are smart. The atheists are all casual--like dirt people. Just wondering. http://veridican.com/smilies/pickteeth.gif

Okay, it's just Krauss, but my point is still half-valid.

Egor 01-10-2018 10:52 AM

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Sinfidel wrote (Post 689905)

You don't get it. The proof you're talking about is "proof that would convince YOU." And I fully admit, there may be no such proof available. You may be doomed. I suppose only you can figure that one out. :hand:

Andrew66 01-10-2018 10:56 AM

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Egor wrote (Post 689912)
You don't get it. The proof you're talking about is "proof that would convince YOU." And I fully admit, there may be no such proof available. You may be doomed. I suppose only you can figure that one out. :hand:

Proof is a slippery slope.

What level is satisfactory?.

Descartes got it right after all, the only thing anyone can truly know, know absolutely for sure is...


I THINK THEREFORE I AM!

There are good reasons to suspect there may be a God.! Place your hope in one - !!

Egor 01-10-2018 10:59 AM

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Andrew66 wrote (Post 689897)
Well said.

I have wondered, even though is opposition to the position of the Church, whether it matters more (with regards to salvation) that a follower believes in the "teachings of Jesus" - more so than the status of Jesus (or God).

An atheist can certainly believe in the Teachings of Jesus.

Good point. I hadn't thought of it that way. I think you're right.

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Davin and Smelly in particular, while seeming a bit unfriendly in their posts at time, have argued sentimentally for the brotherhood of man - a Christian position.
Exactly. I don't even think they're real atheists. A real atheist would be a self-centered hedonist, essentially an animal. I mean, even my dogs don't treat each other badly. Even my dogs have a basic "survival morality" if you will. And a real atheist would not rise above that.

Just saying you don't believe in God means nothing. Look at all the Christians that say they believe in Jesus. :hand:

hertz vanrental 01-10-2018 11:06 AM

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Andrew66 wrote (Post 689913)


I THINK THEREFORE I AM!

andoid, you don't think therefore you are not.

Now fuck off.

Oh, and cut out the weird shit.:bird:

hertz vanrental 01-10-2018 11:09 AM

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Egor wrote (Post 689911)
Who cares? http://veridican.com/smilies/coffeedrinker.gif



Shoot to thrill. :rock:



Krauss is crude idiot with stupid ideas like "nothing" has a weight.

And why do atheists always dress like shit? The other side is in nice suits, look dignified, and are smart. The atheists are all casual--like dirt people. Just wondering. http://veridican.com/smilies/pickteeth.gif

Okay, it's just Krauss, but my point is still half-valid.

Crude? maybe.

Idiot? Nooooooo.

OK, I'll take half of Krauss and give you 1.5 pts.

This way, I'll be valid half the time.

Egor 01-10-2018 11:50 AM

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Andrew66 wrote (Post 689913)
Proof is a slippery slope.

What level is satisfactory?.

Descartes got it right after all, the only thing anyone can truly know, know absolutely for sure is...


I THINK THEREFORE I AM!

There are good reasons to suspect there may be a God.! Place your hope in one - !!

Oh, surely you've heard: The atheists have done away with Descartes axiom. You see, they think consciousness and brain activity are the same thing. I think they call it "identity theory."

What they say is that anything you think IS the biochemical/electrical activity of your brain. Hence it's an illusion, but with no one there to be illuded. It's a fancy way of saying the "you" you think you are does not exist--the feeling that you do exist IS the workings of the gelatinous neuro-mold within your skull.

It's actually a form of intellectual cowardice, and it would be the inane ramblings of a shopping-cart pushing schizophrenic, but it's the academic elite who are claiming it, the self-appointed creators of truth.

It's the same thing as saying: just because something obviously exists doesn't mean it does exist. Just because you think it is there doesn't mean there is a you to begin with. It's Winston being tortured into saying 4 fingers is really 5 (see 1984).

And it's airtight. There is no way to argue against it. It's un-falsifiable. It's their version of "God did it."

With that belief firmly in place, they could, without conscience (because they don't believe in conscience anyway), solve over-population by putting live people through massive meat grinders and feeding the ground beef to other people. Why wouldn't they? Who knows? Don't ask them--they claim they don't exist. http://veridican.com/smilies/dontknow2.gif

Smellyoldgit 01-10-2018 12:34 PM

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hertz vanrental 01-10-2018 12:42 PM

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Egor wrote (Post 689918)
Oh, surely you've heard: The atheists have done away with Descartes axiom. http://veridican.com/smilies/dontknow2.gif

android, the weird twat, still thinks we have a king on the throne.:rolleyes:

Kinich Ahau 01-10-2018 01:17 PM

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Egor wrote (Post 689918)
Oh, surely you've heard: The atheists have done away with Descartes axiom. You see, they think consciousness and brain activity are the same thing. I think they call it "identity theory."

What they say is that anything you think IS the biochemical/electrical activity of your brain. Hence it's an illusion, but with no one there to be illuded. It's a fancy way of saying the "you" you think you are does not exist--the feeling that you do exist IS the workings of the gelatinous neuro-mold within your skull.

It's actually a form of intellectual cowardice, and it would be the inane ramblings of a shopping-cart pushing schizophrenic, but it's the academic elite who are claiming it, the self-appointed creators of truth.

It's the same thing as saying: just because something obviously exists doesn't mean it does exist. Just because you think it is there doesn't mean there is a you to begin with. It's Winston being tortured into saying 4 fingers is really 5 (see 1984).

And it's airtight. There is no way to argue against it. It's un-falsifiable. It's their version of "God did it."

With that belief firmly in place, they could, without conscience (because they don't believe in conscience anyway), solve over-population by putting live people through massive meat grinders and feeding the ground beef to other people. Why wouldn't they? Who knows? Don't ask them--they claim they don't exist. http://veridican.com/smilies/dontknow2.gif

I suppose some would call this brain activity, whether Egor is all here though I'm not so sure.

Smellyoldgit 01-10-2018 01:30 PM

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Kinich Ahau wrote (Post 689922)
I suppose some would call this brain activity, whether Egor is all here though I'm not so sure.

It's the same old Ebore.
Arrogant, hate-filled, angry, stupidly wrong, lazy, shit-stirring assclown with delusions of relevance.
He's too far gone to understand why his attitude gets him banned, rejected & laughed at - and why his 'ventures' all seem to go tits up.
Hell be bored and moving on pretty soon. Inshallah. :\


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