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anthonyjfuchs 05-15-2006 09:06 PM


scathach wrote
Oh and if you think you can claim damages for me calling you bipolar, then go ahead and sue me. And while you're at it, you can sue me for calling you a dumbass, too. Dumbass.

Since the insult has to cause damage to the individual's reputation, calling anon a dumbass doesn't constitute libel/slander. It actually elevates anon's status from Douchebag, and thus constitutes a minor compliment.

Actually, I was just looking for a reason to back-up something you had to say, Scat. Been a while; keep up the good work, Madame Chief-of-Staff ;)

Tenspace 05-15-2006 09:22 PM

Guess you're off the hook, Scat.

Anon, I do not know if you are aware that there are several peer-reviewed papers and researched articles from the medical community which deal with religion as a psychosis. I don't have much time to research for you, but here's a start:

"Spiritual Experience or Religious Psychosis", P. Chadwick, Birkbeck College Faculty, University of London (26 Apr 2000)
"Educating Sufferers of Religous Psychosis", B. Bamber, Mental Health Nursing (Nov 2003)
"Frequency and severity of religious delusions in Christian patients with psychosis", Medline (1998)
"Serial Killers: Albert Fish", University of Florida, H. Rawlins (2005)
"Religious experiences in epileptic patients with a focus on ictus-related episodes", Medline(1996)

I'm sure you can find more information on the internet. Like I said, this was a quick search.

Tenspace 05-15-2006 09:45 PM


anon wrote
Tenspace, I do NOT know if you are aware of the statistics of mentally ill patients generally in any place. If you LOOK that up, you will find the number or percentage is not too insignificant. Bear that in mind, and bear also in mind, the psychosis can involve any form of "little green men" or ANYTHING.

Before we go any further, would you please list your credentials?


I have yet to see any poster come out here and say forthrightly that they agree that a person having religious belief is having psychosis. I was informed that MOST posters here on Raging Atheist do NOT agree with ONE poster who always equates believers with being psychotic. That is most posters here do NOT equate believers with being psychotic.
I personally don't always agree with Cal. However, I am not going to silence him because you disagree with his posts. The day Cal starts to claim that he is a medical doctor is the day that I'll have a serious talk with him about it.

But you don't see that, do you? You could just look at it as his rant, and don't take it so personally.

Maybe TheJudge could fill you in on Cal. He went through much the same phase you're experiencing, albeit he went about it in a more professional manner.

Choobus 05-15-2006 09:55 PM


anon wrote
Thus, I will conclude that it is accurate that I was informed, "One poster [t]here always equates believers with being psychotics. That is not what most posters say on Raging Atheists."

Good night.

anon, you are a cunt.
good day.

anthonyjfuchs 05-15-2006 10:25 PM


anon wrote
I have yet to see any poster come out here and say forthrightly that they agree that a person having religious belief is having psychosis. I was informed that MOST posters here on Raging Atheist do NOT agree with ONE poster who always equates believers with being psychotic.

Um, okay. I say here now, forthrightly, that I agree that a person having religious belief is having psychosis. Since the Wikipedia describes psychosis as "a generic psychiatric term for a mental state in which thought and perception are severely impaired," then a person with religious beliefs most certainly fits the term.

Of course, there are varying degrees of religious psychosis, just as there are varying degrees of nonreligious psychosis. There are people who'se only impairment manifests with regards to their religious ideas; that is, they seem perfectly capable of functioning in any other area of life or reality, but they inexplicably suspend their rational faculty on matters of a spiritual nature.

And then there are the seething fundamentalists like Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Fred Phelps, or Carico, who are schizophrenically psychotic in their religious belief; that is, they are unable to distinguish their religious fantasies from the rest of reality, and are therefore incapable of properly functioning with the rest of society.


anon wrote

Choobus wrote
anon, you are a cunt.

Choobus, you are registering your count for the conclusion I drew above. According to Tenspace expectation of a professional way of saying things, it is possible to deduce that would not be a professional way of saying things.

Depends on your profession. Cunt might be a technical term for a gynecologist, but I'm not one, so I don't know.


anon wrote
That is most posters here do NOT equate believers with being psychotic.

I don't know; we'd have to take a poll to find out. But you've currently got two votes in the AYE category.

Victus 05-15-2006 10:25 PM

You're one to talk, you thread hi-jacking fuck up. Get out of my thread.

Edit: talking about anon

anthonyjfuchs 05-15-2006 10:28 PM

nevermind me, correcting my above post...

calpurnpiso 05-15-2006 10:35 PM


anon wrote
Yes Cal, you ALONE. I would like to see ANY poster that says as you DO that, a person having religious belief is having psychosis. I have yet to see any law courts in USA say as you do. I have yet to see any psychiatrist say as you do. I have yet to see any licensed clinical psychologist say as you do, that, a person having religious beliefs is having psychosis.

I gather you KNOW that psychotic attacks can involve ANY imagination, kidnapped by little green men or ANYTHING.

How come, Cal, NO ONE has come outright to say on this thread that he/she/they agree with you, that, having religious beliefs is having psychosis?

Can it mean as I said earlier, MOST posters disagree with you, and you are alone on this erroneous view that holding religious beliefs is having psychosis?

Yes, Cal, it means that. It really means that MOST posters disagree with you that holding religious beliefs is having psychosis.

Well, you either bumped your head, are mentally dysfunctional, ingested some peganum harmala with amanita muscaria or simply are infected with severe Christ-psychosis. Remember, I'm NOT making references to posters. MANY neurologists ( again if you would BOTHER to read my links and get educated on the subject) see religous IRRATIONAL and ABSURD beliefs as a form of M.E.N.T.A.L I.L.L.N.E.S.S.
Hey, Gehirn Gestoert, read the books I suggested. Christians are not called Jesus Freaks, Retards, psychos, Bible thumpers and delusional cretins for nothing....Their Christ-psychosis INDUCED delusions are NO DIFFERENT to those of the schizophrenia or TLE sufferer. This is a FACT ( and not mind alone) ask any NEUROLOGISTS....if you aren't able to understand the medical terminology....Please get educated, so you do not keep confirming your ignorance and mental handicap in this forum. Here retard, LEARN by starting with these:




Here are common symptoms of Christianity and schizophrenia ( NO, I did not write this!!)


Christian suffering a from of illness ( Again, not my work)









calpurnpiso 05-15-2006 10:52 PM

anon. I can see right through you. You were born into a Christianity infected family, having a brain genetically propense to this psychosis, you were not able to dismiss the Christ-psychosis induced fantasies for the delusions they were...so, the fact that someone is exposing Christianity for the schizophrenia type delusional beliefs inducing illness it is, BOTHERS you. Deep inside you know it is true!..this is the reason you are becoming so defensive and are in DENIAL of the TRUTH. It is obvious for if it quacks like a duck, swims like a duck and flies like a duck......you just have to LEARN to accept your neurological handicap. hey, some people are born short, some are born miopic, some with down's syndrome, some with tourettes, some with acromegalia, some with Morfan's syndrome ( " Some patients with the autoimmune-mediated disorder produce antibodies that bind to ion channels on the motor nerve fibers. This condition, when associated with confusion, hallucinations, and insomnia, is known as Morfan's syndrome. ') and many others. Religious BELIEFS induced DELUSIONS of invisible friends, occurrs also in MORFAN.
So, if the shoe fits wear it!!.....but do not tell me I'm the ONLY one that KNOWS religious beliefs are a form of NEUROLOGICAL DISORDER. The cause however, as many others, remains idiopathic.....:cool:

Tenspace 05-15-2006 10:56 PM

At this point, I would expect the resident psychiatrists and psychologists to chime in.

Tenspace 05-15-2006 11:04 PM


anon wrote
Yes Tenspace, it would be swell if resident psychiatrists chime in.

What, neuroscientists and doctorates of other cognitive fields don't count?

calpurnpiso 05-15-2006 11:04 PM


anon wrote
So, anthony agrees with Cal, and that's two. So far, its still MOST posters disagree with Cal. So far it still bears out, that, most posters here do not agree with Cal.

Cal, better you check up your stats on percentage of mentally ill people in any given population and then think to yourself, when these mentally ill people have ??? it can be of anything, 'little green men' included !!! Anything. anything. anything.

And you better look at your brain, get an MRI if possible...and first of all get EDUCATED in the neurological field. What is it to you if a 'poster' disagrees with me? is the poster a NEUROLOGISTS? that's what matters!..just READ the books I suggested and LOOK into the links..and please look at neurological institutes throughout the world, not only in the US.

Alas, even the brain can be STIMULATED and INDUCED to have "feelings of the supernatural" ( god) by simply stimulating its TEMPORAL LOBES...or were you born without them, and instead faith triggers?..:lol:



even DRUGS can make the brain FEEL and SEE GOD....so, don't you think DISEASE can't? WHY?''

Here Learn about neurotheology.


calpurnpiso 05-15-2006 11:12 PM


anon wrote
Ca, why not just make it easier for yourself by having a one on one meeting with a psychiatrist, like a journalist writing a piece of psychiatric treatment of psychosis. Just ask a friend to refer you to a psychiatrist and have a one on one friendly interview on the use of the word 'psychosis' and the diagnosis and treatment of patients with psychosis.

Again why don't you?..you are obviously the ignoramus here!, who has not even LOOK into the posts I refered to, written by ACREDITED NEUROLOGISTS!...Why? are you afraid I'd be correct and you WRONG?

Please get educated for we can see right through you...and you shine for you ignorance. Cut and pasting non sequiturs articles is indicative of BS ignorance. You can not fool us. Remember, we are mentally healthy folks, aka atheists, which KNOW what we are talking about and can, unlike you, BACK up our comments. So far, you have NOT comment on my links, if you had bother to see them you'd realize how wrong you are....:cool:

We, unlike you, can tell the difference betwen Christ-psychosis induced delusions and reality. That's the problem and the reason you do not make sense, you can not!..take some ziprasidone, or tegretol, it may help..:lol:

calpurnpiso 05-15-2006 11:15 PM


anon wrote
Cal, just interview a psychiatrist, with all your notes ready, it would be a sizzling interview ! Then you can come back and tell us all about it.

Did you bump your head? it would be more interesting if YOU get educate and know what the sciences NEUROLOGY or PSYCHIATRY are. Read the books, All of this is NOT about me, but your disabling Christ-psychosis. REad the links!! Gehirn gestoert..

Victus 05-15-2006 11:19 PM


Tenspace wrote
At this point, I would expect the resident psychiatrists and psychologists to chime in.

I've already told anon to shut her pile hole. What else do you want?

Manics who believe in God often experience 'personal communication' with their particular God. Similar traits are seen with schizophrenics (child and adult onset for both disorders). In these cases, the underlying beliefs of the affected are made manifest by their hallucinations. These are often self feeding, and increase with time.

As for 'regular' theism, I don't consider it to be a psychological disorder (likewise, there is now 'theism' criteria on the DSM-IV-TR), but rather a result of the normal socialization process. When everyone around you believes X, you will probably end up believing X as well. With large numbers of people saying one thing, people tend to nod in compliance, even when they believe it's wrong (and even to the point of beleiving it's right). For example, you can convince a person that two lines of unequal (clearly) length (about 75 vs 100) are actually equal. Even when later questioned individually, they will maintain that the lines are the same length.

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