Of Course God Exists
 

You may have issues with the Chuch. So, do I. You may have a rational mind, but there's more to things than what you THINK is rational. You may hope to cease to exist when you die--maybe you will if you want to, but don't be a moron. Don't murder your intellect by claiming there is no God.
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Hey, when you compiled your highly hilarious reviews of atheist forums (or is it fora? - fuck knows) you had us bottom of the pile, way adrift by a long way - yet after your raft of recent (probably ongoing) personal failures, here you are, back with us again (for the third time! :wave:).
Ganesha is most underwhelmed with your choice! :lol:

They wouldn't let me back in at Thinking Atheist. So, I came here and saw that my account was still active. I used to be really offended by the way my avatar was changed against my will. But now I kind of like it.

And I kind of like the edge. This is the worst atheist forum for any believer to be in, and I like the fact that I'm in it and can handle it.

You have a lot of active members. I mean, all forums are lesser now, but they still are very important. This one comes up #1 on a search of atheist forums.

AND...I don't think you've ever banned me. Which tells me YOU can take it, too. So, I am your theist. Probably the only one. I am here to infect you. Soon, you will be the only atheist--everyone else will be a Veridican and you will have to ban everyone as they eventually turn on you in righteous anger.

But that's down the road. Don't lose sleep over it now. Lose sleep over the fact that you will roast in hell, but don't worry about little ol' me. http://veridican.com/smilies/giggle2.gif

Welcome

JJ and I are your fellow Theists in house

I look forward to what you have to say.

Cheers

Andrew66

Doing comedy now Egor. I have to admit that wasn't bad, it had me chuckling.
But you should really pick one thing and stick to it for a while.

Oh, fuck me, this exchange is going to be priceless:thumbsup:

I just can't wait.

Great! :rock:

Okay...since no one disagrees with my OP, then I win the debate.
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Yes, the first thing you've won in years!
You can now fuck off and tell all your followers how great you are.

Ready, fire, AIM!!

Oh fuck, just shot my intellect in the foot:rolleyes:

I refuse to laugh at atheist jokes during a debate lest anyone think I couldn't care less about the outcome. Instead, I will only use smilies. Of which I have a ton more than this weak ass place has.
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Yes, fine, but then, where's my fuckin' smilie?

Ohh, that's just not on - adding a fuckin' smilie after I posted.

That just ain't croquet, y'know.

It'll be like watching a trio of retards trying to hump a door knob .... :rolleyes:

Yes, android, you weirdo, Egor will tell it like it is and you two pair of twats will fail to understand it.:bird:

Then, you'll congratulate one another (aka kiss each other's ass) on a job well done.:D

You may have issues with the Chuch. So, do I. You may have a rational mind, but there's more to things than what you THINK is rational. You may hope to live forever as a spirit after you die--maybe you will if you want to, but don't be a moron. Don't murder your intellect by claiming there is a God

Well put.

Even Matt Dillahunty, (Atheist who debates theists) says it is "improper" for Atheists to state definitively "there is no God". Matt prefers Atheists say "I am not convinced there is a God".

That moves the needle a bit in favor of the possibility of a God.

Where there is a possibility, then there is hope!

I've argued in another thread that hope is a bare minimal level of belief (this was also endorsed by the Judge - one of the more reasonable and intellectual Atheists on this site).

There is no debate here, your statement is simpley correct Egor!

Wow the Atheists here really seem to respect you to. I bow to your greatness!

See? There's only a tiny bit of difference between. Just a word. Ha!

As usual Davin you are wrong.

You are attacking a Straw man position.

Egor did not state "there is a God" he stated "Don't murder your intellect by claiming there is no God"

Surely you see the difference.

I know you are a very smart dude, so respectfully your up to your old tricks of lies and deceit.

Egor 1 Davin 0

So Andy, when can we expect you to be joining the Veridican Church choir?

Indeed. Even I bow to my own greatness at times. http://veridican.com/smilies/flex.gif

That said, I'd rather atheists didn't believe in just God. God, as the Substance, or even as the Divine Mind, is philosophically logical, but is not what saves us. We can't even understand that God in any way that would facilitate a relationship. I honestly believe that God must be seen through the WORD. And by that, I don't mean the bible, per se, but rather the life and teachings of Jesus Christ.

I've met Christians who are worse off than atheists. They think their darkness is light. They attend church, they do the sacraments, they follow the rules, and they have no inkling in their mind at all of what Jesus really means, or what the voice of the Holy Spirit sounds like. They are dead without hope because they mistakenly think they're alive.

Atheists think they are philosophical zombies. All you have to do is convince them that they're not and they immediately convert. Usually with great fervor. http://veridican.com/smilies/yes2.gif

When are we going to get some true christians here instead of a bunch of heretics?

He can't. There is no provision for one to be a Veridican while I am still alive. It won't work. It's my own kingdom right now. I am not a preacher, I am not a leader, I am not a shepherd. I am a Gospel writer, that's it. Besides, there's not really any difference now between a Veridican and a regular Protestant Christian, save for what is considered the canon of scripture.

Debating (and defeating) atheists is sport. Like throwing beer cans at a retard during a drunken party to make him to dance. http://veridican.com/smilies/hobo.gif

You are not very good at sport are you?

He dresses to thrill
He dances to impress
He invents conundrums
He drinks to excess.

Well said.

I have wondered, even though is opposition to the position of the Church, whether it matters more (with regards to salvation) that a follower believes in the "teachings of Jesus" - more so than the status of Jesus (or God).

An atheist can certainly believe in the Teachings of Jesus.

Davin and Smelly in particular, while seeming a bit unfriendly in their posts at time, have argued sentimentally for the brotherhood of man - a Christian position.

No it's called humanism, definitely not a christian position.

More bollocks from the illiterate and weird android.

I knew this exchange was going to be fun.

Yep, these three make the Donald look like a super, super, super genius.

+1

What I'm watching right now...

DEBATE: Atheists vs Christians (Krauss + Shermer vs D'Souza + Hutchinson)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7vEB6FXtbs

I'll take Krauss and give you 3 pts.

Fuck off, this is nothing to do with your jesus based wank. As Kinich pointed out, this is Humanism - look it up.
The only christian position of slight interest is missionary - and even that's boring after a couple of shags!

Who cares? http://veridican.com/smilies/coffeedrinker.gif

Shoot to thrill. :rock:

Krauss is crude idiot with stupid ideas like "nothing" has a weight.

And why do atheists always dress like shit? The other side is in nice suits, look dignified, and are smart. The atheists are all casual--like dirt people. Just wondering. http://veridican.com/smilies/pickteeth.gif

Okay, it's just Krauss, but my point is still half-valid.

You don't get it. The proof you're talking about is "proof that would convince YOU." And I fully admit, there may be no such proof available. You may be doomed. I suppose only you can figure that one out. :hand:

Proof is a slippery slope.

What level is satisfactory?.

Descartes got it right after all, the only thing anyone can truly know, know absolutely for sure is...


I THINK THEREFORE I AM!

There are good reasons to suspect there may be a God.! Place your hope in one - !!

Good point. I hadn't thought of it that way. I think you're right.

Exactly. I don't even think they're real atheists. A real atheist would be a self-centered hedonist, essentially an animal. I mean, even my dogs don't treat each other badly. Even my dogs have a basic "survival morality" if you will. And a real atheist would not rise above that.

Just saying you don't believe in God means nothing. Look at all the Christians that say they believe in Jesus. :hand:

andoid, you don't think therefore you are not.

Now fuck off.

Oh, and cut out the weird shit.:bird:

Crude? maybe.

Idiot? Nooooooo.

OK, I'll take half of Krauss and give you 1.5 pts.

This way, I'll be valid half the time.

Oh, surely you've heard: The atheists have done away with Descartes axiom. You see, they think consciousness and brain activity are the same thing. I think they call it "identity theory."

What they say is that anything you think IS the biochemical/electrical activity of your brain. Hence it's an illusion, but with no one there to be illuded. It's a fancy way of saying the "you" you think you are does not exist--the feeling that you do exist IS the workings of the gelatinous neuro-mold within your skull.

It's actually a form of intellectual cowardice, and it would be the inane ramblings of a shopping-cart pushing schizophrenic, but it's the academic elite who are claiming it, the self-appointed creators of truth.

It's the same thing as saying: just because something obviously exists doesn't mean it does exist. Just because you think it is there doesn't mean there is a you to begin with. It's Winston being tortured into saying 4 fingers is really 5 (see 1984).

And it's airtight. There is no way to argue against it. It's un-falsifiable. It's their version of "God did it."

With that belief firmly in place, they could, without conscience (because they don't believe in conscience anyway), solve over-population by putting live people through massive meat grinders and feeding the ground beef to other people. Why wouldn't they? Who knows? Don't ask them--they claim they don't exist. http://veridican.com/smilies/dontknow2.gif

android, the weird twat, still thinks we have a king on the throne.:rolleyes:

I suppose some would call this brain activity, whether Egor is all here though I'm not so sure.

It's the same old Ebore.
Arrogant, hate-filled, angry, stupidly wrong, lazy, shit-stirring assclown with delusions of relevance.
He's too far gone to understand why his attitude gets him banned, rejected & laughed at - and why his 'ventures' all seem to go tits up.
Hell be bored and moving on pretty soon. Inshallah. :\

Bookrah.

Maalish.

Shukran.

Habibi.

:vomit:

And the Loch Ness monster and Bigfoot exist too! Why am I wasting my life on these mental midgets who can only spout godiarhea?

Midget? - methinks you overrate the clown!
Egor's been in and out of here for quite a few years. He likes the smell of his own bullshit, which if anal-ised is the regulation convoluted nonsense which he thinks sounds oh so profound. Neither him nor his crony cohorts are capable of anything but godiarhea (good word - permission to steal?) so any attempt at honest interaction is doomed to the turd-pan, he's beyond help.

Interesting

I suppose even the "intellectually elite" would have to admit though

I think, therefore the activity giving rise to this belief exists, and the activity is owned and operated by "I".

Its substantially the same.

Do not think that a little obsequious brown-nosing allows you to misrepresent me; I characterised your notion of hope as proto-belief, NOT faith or belief. I do not endorse your view that hope equals belief.

Proto-belief? Are you walking back your position?

Here is Your post Judge. You commented on my comment.

Andrew66 wrote
"Hope - as I've explained, arguably, could be interpreted as a bare minimal belief..."

Judge wrote
"No argument here. Perhaps you thought there was. There isn't. It is WHAT you hope for that counts surely, yet you seem to be fixated on merely hoping that there is something rather than nothing."

So Don't misrepresent my correct presentation.

If you've changed your mind that's fine. I guess your embarrassed that you agreed with a Theist? - shame.

Afwan.

hal tafeal alsharj

Picnic, BIG picnic and popcorn all round I think.

Don't you find the code-language kind of childish? I mean, seriously? As for "banned." I don't get banned for being rude. When have I ever talked to you the way you talk to me (or others for that matter)? I get banned because I get massive amounts of attention online--when I'm online that is.

I grew a FB group to 93,000 members. I gave it away to another admin/friend.

I get banned because I'm controversial, and freakin smart. And it lures people away from the old guard. I mean, look at yourself, OSG (SOG, SGandO, whatever), you're the same old act. You've got disrespect down to an art, but like all diseased atheist brains, you have reached the bottom of the pot and that's where you reside. Tell me, will you leave any legacy at all? Anything? http://veridican.com/smilies/dropdead.gif



The battle ground is not really whether God exists. I can tell you for certain, that the reality of God in his fullest is not comprehensible to human beings. What we know of God is a modality of an attribute of God (I call that attribute the Divine Attribute of Mind--just my own term), the modality is consciousness. And consciousness has lots of modalities itself--Each and every animal mind anywhere in the universe is a modality of C.

We don't need to prove God's existence. The Divine Attribute of Mind (GODdam if you prefer), cannot be held in our lesser minds. It's inaccessible to us. We can't even argue about it. But Consciousness, now that's different. The question therefore is not whether God exists, but whether you are real, and whether above you is a consciousness that includes all consciousness.

And before you scoff and act like consciousness is not scientific and rational--don't forget the role of consciousness in collapsing the quantum wave field. I know, right now I'm blowing your mind.


Oh, I know precisely why. I know atheists better than atheists know themselves. You're searching for an answer to the question.

"Let me tell you why you're here. You're here because you know something. What you know, you can't explain. But you feel it. You've felt it your entire life. That there's something wrong with the world. You don't know what it is, but it's there...like a splinter in you're mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me."


Beyond help? Help to what, Old Purifying Git? Rational thought? By that you mean the nihilistic religious belief of atheism. The hope in extinction. It's the logical result of failing to thrive in a spiritual sense. If I were a thalidomide flipper-baby, spiritually speaking, I would probably hope for non-existence as well. But that's not going to happen, Mr. Git. And that's what drives you.


You raise a good point. Even if consciousness is "just" brain states. It is no more explainable than it has ever been. The hard problem of consciousness is still there, and it's still just as mysterious. It's the equivalent of being pissed off that one can't understand why the sky is blue, so one just decides blue is green, but then they can't explain green any better.

I agree. http://veridican.com/smilies/popcorn.gif

]Here's some more intellectual stuff for ya



Turkish Scientist: Noah Called His Son on a Cell Phone Before Boarding the Ark
He added that Noah's Ark used nuclear energy. Obviously.
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:lol:

Disprove this, genius!

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Ego-bore, the cult leader minus the charisma..........and followers.

As usual, dumbshit, you are wrong. I attacked nothing.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahaha!
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Yes,moderately which if you'd kept up you'd have noticed.

The last post you quoted was from 31/12/17, my refined position was stated 6 days later after more consideration in 06/01/18.

Not embarrassed at all. I am comfortable changing my mind to either refine a position or in response to good quality evidence. It's unusual that a devout theist would do the same.

That's actually how you can tell whether a mind is a healthy mind or not. You'll not see any of these mentally deficient theists admit to correcting things that can change their viewpoint.

Oh they'll change their minds and they'll flip flop all over the place, but they won't admit to being wrong in any sense (except maybe in some snarky comment). Because weak minds like theirs think that an adaptable mind is weak in spite of that being the definition of intelligence.

Which is also why they look crazy and stupid to healthy minded people.

I thought it was very kind of Ebore to confirm much of what I wrote in his single post.
I must admit to forgetting 'Extreme Vanity' in my original assessment, and I'd now award him a new record in the 'Head up own Arse' stakes. I'm sure he's a closet Chopra fan to add to his armoury of bullshit!

You can't seriously be talking about me and Veridicanism. Good God, I've corrected so many of my errant beliefs over the years it's ridiculous. It's nearly impossible to even write a history of Veridicanism without starting now.

I go one further. I improve the atheist arguments, because all you atheists are too stupid to really argue your point (including you're ridiculous academic heroes) and THEN I defeat them.

Don't even talk to me about mental deficiency. You atheists are the masters of it. http://veridican.com/smilies/carryon.gif


Atheism is not rational thought. It's defensive thought. Clear vision of the world around us leads a personal rationally to the idea of a Creator. Atheism is only one of three things: the desire to be counter-cultural, the desire to be immoral, the desire to not exist beyond the material world. That's it. I won't get into satanic influence or any of that, because even if that's the case, the atheist so affected would have no control over that. No, it's one of the three reasons, and they are all emotional-based reasons:

• The desire to be counter-cultural
• The desire to be immoral
• The desire to not exist beyond the material world

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Wrong. I detest Depak Chopra. He's a marketer of religion the same as any televangelist. I also detest the Dali Lama for the same reason. They might as well be the Pope or Kenneth Copeland for all I care.

I am a Veridican. I have been since 1993. I follow only the teachings of Jesus Christ (admittedly not too well, but I want to). Everything I have in terms of Veridicanism, I give away for free. I don't follow anyone's philosophy but that which is communicated to me by the Holy Spirit. As a result, I am hated by atheists and the majority of Christians alike. ...which means I'm probably on the right track.

Wrong.
.... not hated - just pitied for being such a deluded fool and ridiculed for being such a demonstrably arrogant jerk. :\

Right track - wrong train.

I don't get this.

Egor is a Theist, isn't he?

So how can Hertz (obviously an Atheist) say "Egor will tell it like it is"?

By the way as a Theist I look forward to being shown I'm wrong =- whatever argument I bring forth. I crave it as I want to refine my position to strengthen it (or abandon) when needed.

I would be curious to know when Judge or Davin have ever, ?even once, conceded to any view which wasn't there's to start with. :rolleyes:

It's not the only thing you don't get you weirdo dip shit.:bird:

Weirdo android is now answering his own posts.:rolleyes:

What a twat:bird:

That comes as standard every time you open your mouth you weirdo ass-wipe:bird:

The problem is that you are so dumb, you don't realise.

All you need do is look to the responses to your posts, tit heat.:thumbsup:

Spotted on a church board: Rejoice in the hope of the glory of god! Not very confident, are they?

Should we rejoice every week in the hope of a lottery jackpot? It's a proven fact that there's at least a tiny chance of that one materialising.

As cristain numbers decline, it seems its the most stupid ones that get left behind.

As long as the hierarchy and their supportive politicians can see there's wonga to be made, the stupid ones will always be encouraged to cough up.
I've often wondered what will fill the 'stupid vacuum' when there's no more moolah to give or be taken.

It's THEIRS not THERE's, you weirdo illiterate twat.:rolleyes:

Just how dumb are you?

Indeed I have. I used to believe, now I don't. The reasons are complex and we get into them if you wish but essentially I conceded to atheism.

Can you truthfully answer your own question posed back to you?

No I wasn't. Sorry, who are you?

Just looked up "veridicanism." I love that it's so fringe it doesn't even have its own Wikipedia page and the second Google return after the eponymous webpage states it's a neoligism.

If veridicanism is a "thing" then I'm a Realitarian. Who's with me?! LOL

I am. That makes one more follower than EgoBore has.

No we haven't, it is more like the folk-psychology of Cartersian Dualism has been challenged over recent decades by various cognitive and brain imaging studies and have shown things that have augmented our still imperfect understanding of consciousness.

Not really if you'd read widely enough around the subject.
And besides it is arguably better to have a discoverer of objective and verifiable truths being accepted on the merits of their academic work than a self-appointed creator of religious "truth."

LOL this is so oversimplied it almost smacks of willful ignornace.

And the offensive strawman bullshit can now flow forth freely :rolleyes:

Veridicanism
 

It is what it is. It's my religion. It's my Christianity. And "Veridicanism" is a made up word. Veridical means true (hopefully you already knew that), -an is a suffix that means a follower, and -ism is a suffix that means a doctrine. So...

Veridicanism means the doctrine of those who follow that which is true.

The truth is in its two axioms:

1. Deus est substantia

God is monistic in his nature. That means God is the only substance. God is the only thing that is fully real, and God is the substance of all things. All other things that appear to exist are in fact modalities of his substance.

2. Esse Sicut Christus

To be like Christ. The human purpose for every individual is to become like Christ, to become in spirit like Christ was in spirit, forever moving toward our example of perfection, the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Clearly, it is a Christian religion, but the view of God is different, though most Christians wouldn't recognize that. And the canon is different:

The Veridican Canon

• New Testament Gospel of Matthew
• New Testament Gospel of Mark
• New Testament Gospel of Luke
• New Testament Gospel of John
• The Gospel of Thomas
• The Veridican Gospel of Jesus Christ

What makes Veridicanism truly different from other forms of Christianity, ironically, is that Veridicans follow only the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. They don't venerate the apostles or Mary. They may read the rest of the Holy Bible for background and advice, but the scriptures are only the life and teachings of Jesus Christ.

I say Veridicans, but there are only two: myself and my wife, and my wife pretty much just follows my lead on this. I am totally in the way of Veridicanism. So, it can never spread while I am alive; I know this, but I'm 53 and have every risk factor for an MI, so who knows how long this mortal coil will last.

In the mean time, now that the philosophy is stable, I will publish what I can, where I can, and that will be my contribution. There is the website, there is the Veridican Gospel of Jesus Christ, I am working on a commentary of the VGJC, and I want to publish both on as many online platforms as I can.

If you want to know more, just go to the website. It's in my profile, or it's right here. Veridican.com

I have many times, you dumbshit. It requires a good logical argument that is backed up by reliable evidence. Things that you constantly fail to provide.

Oh yes, I know you've "corrected" many of your idiotic ideas, If you read what I wrote I already addressed that. I don't even really have to respond to this since it was already addressed in the post you partially quoted. Learning how to read, that would be a good step forward for you.

Do you really think I care what you write? http://veridican.com/smilies/Disappointed_anim.gif

I don't think you have the ability understand what I write, let alone care. I was just trying to be nice by helping you to not look like a complete idiot. But I'm not against you practicing your freedom to look mentally deficient.

Ah the penny drops; Edward Gordon ---> Egor.
I hace some questions...
From the eponymous website:
"It began as the Veridical Christian Society, a protestant non-denominational bible study with only a few members that formed in reaction to the Government's handling of the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas earlier that year. It disbanded after only a few months."

Are you at liberty to say more on this Egor either here or via PM? Just interested in what exactly / how the Waco incident prompted the formation of the group and why it only lasted a few months.
Have there been any followers since or are there any other followers at all now?

Follerwers judge? you have to be kidding.

Prove it, show me some quotes where you've said something like, "Hmmm, yes maybe you're right, I have to rethink my position". or "Yes, I will amend my thought on that topic, good point".

You don't, because you are partisan in view of Atheism, and you don't enter this site as an intellectual interested in learning, but rather Defending, like a debator defends a position (without yield, never giving an inch - because of distrust of the other side).

I have seen you in action for years, your patern is transparent. That is why I don't bother to listen to you views anymore - they cannot be trusted as intellectually honest or earnest.

Egor, purchase a portable automated defibrillator. If you get sudden chest arm or jaw pain (possible MI) call 911 and have your wife hook up the defibrillator on you until EHS arrives (just in-case you succumb to fatal arrhythmia prior to arrival of the paramedics).

:lol: It's only ever been Crazy Eddie and his wife. Four or Five years ago he set up a forum to push his 'religion' - it got nigh on zero attention, with the pair of them running sock puppet accounts to double the membership. No surprise he shut it down in embarrassment. This 2018 incarnation is his latest effort to spam the shit sandwich, and we are his chosen forum to deliver! :rolleyes:

Learning. Learning. LEARNING?

Learning what?

That a ghost can rape and impregnate a woman who then gives birth and yet remains a virgin?

That someone that never existed can be crucified, die and be resurrected?

Learn what for fuck sake?

About STUPIDITY?

Because that's all that you stupid twats are.

You piss pots pass on your stupidity to the next generation of idiots-in-waiting.

That's why I don't give an inch to you dumb shits.

I remember watching the Big Question on TV one Sunday morning.

Kate Smurthwaite was on.

She said, and I quote, 'I don't believe in god because I'm not an idiot'. Well said Kate.

christardology precludes learning. It is illogical. christards and christardology are idiotic.

Only a christard to say something as stupid as what you have said.

Yeah...always been interested in the fringe stuff :)

Wow...that's kinda sad :/

This is good advice if you want to try and save a life but this sort of thinking of a religious person has always interested me; wouldn't you all be quite eager to get to "heaven?"

Makes me laugh how the regulation suicide bomber seems oh so keen to get to his 53 virgins - then promptly turns himself into flying mince!

I don't know how old you are, but the Waco incident was a really big deal for people who believe in things like the 2nd Amendment and the 1st Amendment. It was a horrible thing that didn't have to happen. Even worse is the way it exposed the truth that if you tell a lie long enough, and if it comes from what are considered credible sources, and if the news pumps it, the people will eventually believe it. The say David Koresh could have been arrested at any time when he was out at Walmart, or jogging. But of course, he hadn't broken any laws. So...

Anyway, that was a long time ago, and the Oklahoma City bombing happened two years after that. And the government has changed the way it deals with things in that regard, and the Branch Davidians still exist.

We used to meet wearing sidearms. We really thought this was going to be the end, but we woke up. Time went by, and after a few months we just, I don't know, lost interest. My friend and his girl got married. I got married shortly after that, so the girls that would come to the meetings (which made it fun) lost interest, and we lost interest, so there it is.

We, me and three others, actually tried to go join a regular church. But we really couldn't stomach it. They were very false and hypocritical. And that's it. We just stopped with the religion.

But it was during that time that I got the notion of a "Christ Only" form of Christianity. My friend's fiance was Catholic, and I was talking with her mother, and we were having a discussion/debate and she believed that the teachings of Paul were just as important as the teachings of Jesus Christ. I couldn't accept that. So, that's when the idea of Veridicanism was born from the Veridical Christian Society.

Kind of boring really. But we used to like to go out shooting. And it was fun. There were only like 6 of us.



Thanks, Andrew. Important safety tip there. http://veridican.com/smilies/parano.gif

That's not true. I'm on a Christian forum as well, and I talk about it there, but frankly, I prefer here. And the truth is, I'm not trying to push it at all. I actually want to debate the existence of God, but I'm not sure there's anyone left in here for that.

And I've done a lot more with Veridicanism than you even know, Smellyold. It's gone off in various new age directions. But now it's back to, really, it's final form. How do I know that? Because I have grown too tired to change it anymore. It's that simple.

My wife has never really been involved, and certainly never online. Any sock puppets back in one of the forums I started that you are talking about were all me. I started a Facebook church, and people would come to it for the psychic readings I offered. I thought I could do those as kind of the miracles aspect of it, the way Jesus did his miracles. But that quickly ended. That was an appalling failure. So, ironically, the greatest failure of Veridicanism has not been not having any members, it was when it did have members that things really got ugly.

So, I am totally done with Facebook, except for literally friends and family. I am in forums like this because it is my only social activity online.

I'm not ashamed that Veridicanism is just me (and I suppose, my wife). You have more of a problem with that than I do. There are two ways to have a religion with no members. 1. You are such a liar and fraud that people desert you. 2. You tell a truth people can't accept. I think I'm the latter.

I am not a preacher or a minister, as I have found out. There is something horrible about people following you--when they should be following Jesus Christ. The truth is, most people are going to hell. Most churches are full of the people going to hell. The ones who are going on to the Kingdom of God, well, they're different, and I don't think they fit very well in church either in front of the pulpit or behind it. Just look at St. Francis of Assisi.

So, you atheists claim this guy as one of yours? I ain't no ignant idgit so I dont belief in know ignant ignanininty like you ignant idiots! http://veridican.com/smilies/zombie.gif

That's what modern atheism has come to? Don't you people even go to college anymore? Hell, finish high school for that matter? Good Lord. http://veridican.com/smilies/rubeyes.gif

Go to college?

Hell yes so that we know bull shit when we see and hear it.
christardology is complete and utter bull shit.

christardology is so obviously bull shit, it's insulting.

chistardology is little more than a way to relieve mankind of goods, money and dignity so that a few fat cats in the christard hierarchy can enjoy the good life at the expense of the foolish masses who contribute. The richest entity in the world is the kat licker crutch. To effect this, it trades on Man's insecurities eg. fear of dying.

Man, one day, will look back on his belief in christardology and will hang his head in shame for believing such complete and utter bollocks.