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Andrew66 05-17-2018 08:52 AM

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Noodle wrote (Post 693386)
Whoa now. I don't think you and I are on the same side in this. I know lots of Muslims, Saudis in fact, and I certainly don't think they're evil.

In fact, as I've written here before, I think it's the world's Muslims that are being terrorized. Middle Eastern governments are oppressive toward their people. ISIS kills and enslaves Muslims and one of their goals is to make the West hate Muslims. There's harassment in non-Muslim majority countries, not to mention the Rohingya genocide in Myanmar.

We can get into the discussion.

but then by your logic, clearly Christianity also isn't evil, because I'm sure you know lots of Christians who you don't think are evil?

One way of defining the character of a relgion is to look and analyse the text. The next way is to look at how most people who identify to the religion behave, and to assess what their values are.

In the West, both Christians and Muslims tend to be relatively secularized because of integration in our society. So one gets a mishmash.

In the middle east, the attitudes of mainstream Muslims are 1) anti gay - death penalty, 2) anti woman's rights -= raped women are killed if they didn't scream loud enough to be heard 3) kill those who leave religion etc. the list goes on.

But if you are resistant to attacking Islam, well, join the vast majority of others on this site. Its tough to bash a minority group, oppressed by Trump no less.

Smellyoldgit 05-17-2018 09:10 AM

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Andrew66 wrote (Post 693388)
But if you are resistant to attacking Islam, well, join the vast majority of others on this site.

Like the dense, stupid, shit-stirring parrot you are - you keep saying this. I'll wager you didn't read even one of the many links I posted, demonstrating that Jizzlam 'visitors' get just as much stick as you demented christ-stains. You are a fucking knob.

Andrew66 05-17-2018 09:20 AM

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Smellyoldgit wrote (Post 693389)
that Jizzlam 'visitors' get just as much stick as you demented christ-stains. .


That you don't see how this comment defends Islam is part of the problem.

Only a select minority of Atheists on this site have the balls to really attack Islam - and most of the posts are shy to. Usually attacks against Islam are deflected back to attack Christianity.

As KA said, better to attack the "white" man's religion.

Muslims don't come on this site to bother the Atheists, so all if forgiven of course..

Smellyoldgit 05-17-2018 10:51 AM

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Andrew66 wrote (Post 693390)
Muslims don't come on this site to bother the Atheists, ........

They rarely come here ...... but when they do, their fucked-up religion is treated with the disrespect it deserves.

Kinich Ahau 05-17-2018 11:09 AM

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Andrew66 wrote (Post 693390)

As KA said, better to attack the "white" man's religion.

Don't misquote me you lying tosser. I didn't say "better to attack"

You can't even make the simplest of arguments without lying. Lying hillbilly.

Andrew66 05-17-2018 11:18 AM

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Kinich Ahau wrote (Post 693395)
Don't misquote me you lying tosser. I didn't say "better to attack"

You can't even make the simplest of arguments without lying. Lying hillbilly.

Hooray - Smelly must have spoken to you - its great that you want to make clear that you don't want to "attack" anyone.

Well done Smelly - keep the site peaceful. ;)

Andrew66 05-17-2018 11:19 AM

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Smellyoldgit wrote (Post 693394)
They rarely come here ...... but when they do, their fucked-up religion is treated with the disrespect it deserves.

In your opinion which religion is worst (which one causes more damage to society)

Christianity or Islam?

hertz vanrental 05-17-2018 11:24 AM

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Andrew66 wrote (Post 693398)
In your opinion which religion is worst (which one causes more damage to society)

Christianity or Islam?

Easy, christards have murdered FAR, Far, Far more Atheists and raped far more children than Muslims have.

Kinich Ahau 05-17-2018 11:24 AM

AndyIQ00.666 tell us why you think Allah exists and we will be happy to rebut or debunk anything you say.

The three main abrahamic religions are all very similar and anything said to debunk the claims of one can usually apply equally to the others.

Get it yet, you lying christard?

Kinich Ahau 05-17-2018 11:29 AM

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Andrew66 wrote (Post 693397)
Hooray - Smelly must have spoken to you - its great that you want to make clear that you don't want to "attack" anyone.

Well done Smelly - keep the site peaceful. ;)

I'd be happy to twat you if you came anywhere near my vicinity.

Noodle 05-17-2018 11:49 AM

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Andrew66 wrote (Post 693388)

but then by your logic, clearly Christianity also isn't evil, because I'm sure you know lots of Christians who you don't think are evil?

Correct. I certainly don't think religions are generally forces for good, but their adherents aren't evil. In fact, most of the Christians I know believe in the nice stuff and reject what doesn't sit well with them. My mom calls herself Catholic, but is pro-choice and supports gay marriage.

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One way of defining the character of a relgion is to look and analyse the text. The next way is to look at how most people who identify to the religion behave, and to assess what their values are.

In the West, both Christians and Muslims tend to be relatively secularized because of integration in our society. So one gets a mishmash.
Right. They can do the same mental gymnastics Christians do so that they can reject or explain away the icky bits and keep the parts they like. Many of them do that.

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In the middle east, the attitudes of mainstream Muslims are 1) anti gay - death penalty, 2) anti woman's rights -= raped women are killed if they didn't scream loud enough to be heard 3) kill those who leave religion etc. the list goes on.
But less than a third of the world's Muslims live in the Middle East. Do Muslims in Indonesia have the same views and practices? Also keep in mind that in Saudi at least, the people have no say in how things are done and can disappear if they voice dissent.

How do you explain African Christians who practice FGM and torture children who they suspect are witches? Is it the Christianity that makes them do it? I would say it's faulty thinking that leads to both religiosity of any flavor and other dumb, harmful beliefs.

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But if you are resistant to attacking Islam, well, join the vast majority of others on this site. Its tough to bash a minority group, oppressed by Trump no less.
The beliefs of Islam are just as dumb as any other religion, maybe even more so. But the fact remains that I am as likely to criticize their beliefs as I am to criticize Christian's beliefs.

But you're right in that the difference is that Muslims are being threatened and harassed right now in the US, and I don't think they deserve it. So I guess I am defending Muslims because they're so hated.

Kinich Ahau 05-17-2018 11:51 AM

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Andrew66 wrote (Post 693398)
In your opinion which religion is worst (which one causes more damage to society)

Christianity or Islam?

They are both equally detrimental to society, culture, civilisation and the well-being of our species. All religion is based on superstition and mind-control and extortion rackets.

Christians don't get a pass just because there are less christian terrorists running around than there used to be, they are still spreading their terror, bigotry and small-mindedness from the pulpit.

dogpet 05-17-2018 12:40 PM

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Andrew66 wrote (Post 693398)
In your opinion which religion is worst (which one causes more damage to society)

Christianity or Islam?

Deffo cristinanity & its pervasive influence on republicunt policy.

Smellyoldgit 05-17-2018 04:47 PM

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Andrew66 wrote (Post 693398)
In your opinion which religion is worst (which one causes more damage to society)

Christianity or Islam?

Here you are again with a false dichotomy - why just these two?
Throughout recorded history, ALL religions have been a source of deception, fraud, criminal embezzlement, social retardation, proliferation of outright lies and more recently, strangling of honest scientific advancement.
I'd put Judaism up there amongst the worst of the retards, currently enjoying the fanatical funding of christ-stain 'murikkka to press their murderous land claims - but we don't get too many Yids passing this way either.

Andrew66 05-17-2018 05:31 PM

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Smellyoldgit wrote (Post 693415)
Here you are again with a false dichotomy - why just these two?
Throughout recorded history, ALL religions have been a source of deception, fraud, criminal embezzlement, social retardation, proliferation of outright lies and more recently, strangling of honest scientific advancement.
I'd put Judaism up there amongst the worst of the retards, currently enjoying the fanatical funding of christ-stain 'murikkka to press their murderous land claims - but we don't get too many Yids passing this way either.

Technically I don't present a false dichotomy... you are respectfully over analyzing - not everything is a logical argument debate.

I'm simply asking you a question - which of two choices that I present is worse..??, but I see you feel you have to duck the question.

I know you Smelley, you are not a coward, and you have alot of integrity (maybe that's why you've got the supervisor position on this site?), so I don't think you will lie.

If you answered honestly you might have picked Islam.. but you don't want to say it.. why??? Is it because you don't want to give me ever even an ounce of satisfaction? Since you don't like lying either your stuck.. therefore duck the question. Or, there is something else blocking you from admitting that Islam is a rougher, more violent producing religion than Christianity?

In terms of most violent provoking scripture of the great monotheistic faiths- I would say the order of Religious violence would be

1) Jewish (Old testiment)
2) Islam
3) Christianity (New testiment)

And by the way, when gaging how violent a religion is - bare in mind.

If 99% of people belong to religion A, and 1 % to religion B, but lets say 40% of violence attributed to religion is caused by religion B, guess what - its religion B that is more inherently violent.

Christianity from the inquisition always comes up as proof that Christianity as a religion is evil. ONe must consider this carefully, what were the motives of teh inquisition - did they stem from religious teaching or where the wars more political.. Also it takes two parties to war, if Christians fought Muslims and beat them - why does that make the Christians worst??

The Muslim empire captured half of Europe and the entire middle East plus northern Aftrica by the way. They were very war inclined.


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