Jobee's Junk
 

Psychosis and Money

What is it then that makes them pray,
that makes them creep and crawl all day,
that makes them read some silly script,
their pride,confidence slyly stripped ?

What is it then that transfers their minds,
to heavens, angels and spiritual kinds,
to attend Cathedrals in little groups,
then dress in robes as elitist troops ?

What is it then that makes them build,
on fertile land where food was tilled,
huge Mosques; Cathedrals too,
just to sing and confess anew?

Does it help in anyway,
to wile away the hours of day,
dressed in besT, on their knees,
praying to anything, making pleas?

Is it selfishness that makes them think,
we all need them to cower and shrink,
on our behalf at their request,
so that our souls be sublimely blessed?

The whiff of selfishness stirs the air,
I think it’s just themselves they care,
the work is easy and less to think,
from competition they wilt, shrink.

This God they advocate with fuss,
when ask for proof, they won’t discuss,
O proof, O proof; what for you need ?
the devils home you’ll go with speed.

My lucid mind begins to stir,
I’m in the hands of a blackmailer,
I only ask; for what your sales?
they came back as hard as nails.

So business then shall prevail,
In Woolworth’s by an honest sale,
the Church an inquisition I think,
proof of God surely brinks.
jobee -05

jobee, we have an Introduce Yourself thread....maybe you can go there and tell us about you....

i'm trying to unite atheist forums
 

get us out on the streets-placards et cerera
we are not getting anywhere with isolated forums

here are a few ive been working on


http://www.atheist.ie/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=5


http://forums.liverpoolecho.co.uk/vi...1d618701568c14

http://com4.runboard.com/bcoventryalternativeforums.f6

Would like to unite atheist forums
 

all this waffle is getting us nowhere-lets get out on the streets-placards et cetera.

here are a few ive been posting on-

http://www.atheist.ie/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=5


http://forums.liverpoolecho.co.uk/vi...1d618701568c14


http://com4.runboard.com/bcoventryalternativeforums.f6

Show your face-coward
 

What the hell
does this pain and fear mean?
You claim there’s a plan,
yet refuse to be seen.

Are you really so gutless,
and afraid to explain,
whilst your spokesmen sit by,
counting the riches they gain.

If you are truly the father,
Is this what you call love?
To sit idly by,
in your castle above.

Whilst down here on earth,
your children are crying.
Hells hounds are here,
and your flock is a dying.

What kind of father,
sits back in such silence,
Whilst his angry young offspring,
show naught but defiance.

As a father I try,
to raise my son right.
To love all your creatures,
and never to fight.

As a son I must wonder,
is any of this real.
What kind of messed up father,
allows this pain that we feel?

Young children are dying,
and some think they should.
How long before you show them,
that this world can be good?

You don’t seem to hear us,
you don’t show you care.
Whilst millions lay dying,
you ignore their despair.

Still your clergy sit by,
and argue who’s just,
all the while they keep guiltlessly,
caving to lust.

What kind of god,
could claim to have cried,
when killing his son,
saying for us that he died?

Your preachers would have us,
believe bull**** stories.
Yet all the time scheming,
whilst praising your glories.

Encouraging violence,
in defence of your name,
yet all these religions,
seem to be teaching the same.

They all claim to be righteous,
they claim to be real,
yet from our existence,
it’s our hope that they steal.

So show yourself coward,
If you truly exist,
come set this all right,
Tell us the truth that we missed.

Damn...bad day?

Your waffle was so well received on the forums you're posting on :rolleyes:

:lol::lol:

and stop posting poetry apart from in the poetry thread? just so I know which thread to avoid

oh dear- another thread to avoid

post not poster
 

address the post not the poster

you haven't missed a period have you

miss
 

you haven't missed a period have you

a lot of of preachers are like that-dont you dare take their goddy boy off them:vomit:

Hmmm-a great religious leader
 

From Guillaume, op cit, page 369:

"The apostle said, "Kill any Jew who falls into your power." Thereupon Muhayyisa b. Masud leapt upon Ibn Sunayna, a Jewish merchant with whom they had social and business relations, and killed him. Huwayyisa was not a Muslim at the time though he was the elder brother. When Muhayyisa killed him Huwayyisa began to beat him, saying, 'You enemy of God, did you kill him when much of the fat on your belly comes from his wealth?' Muhayyisa answered, 'Had the one who ordered me to kill him ordered me to kill you I would have cut your head off.'"


Mo on a roll
A highlight in Mo's career

MO was in his fifties when he did this=

Aisha stayed in her parents' home for several years until she joined Muhammad and the marriage was consummated.[1][3][4][5][6][7] Most of the sources indicate that she was nine years old at the time, with the single exception of al-Tabari, who records that she was ten.[3] The marriage was delayed until after the Hijra, or migration to Medina, in 622; Aisha and her older sister Asma bint Abi Bakr only moved to Medina after Muhammad had already migrated there. After this, the wedding was celebrated very simply. The sources do not offer much more information about Aisha's childhood years, but mention that after the wedding, she continued to play with her toys, and that Muhammad entered into the spirit of these games.[8]

jobee
[SAVE OUR CHILDREN FROM SEX ABUSE]

Jobee, may I offer some advice? Please chill with the rapid creation of new threads. Give us a chance to know you first. You know what I mean?

Are you from a muslim background?

I dislike jizzlam as much as the next pudpounder, but to be fair, I have to say (following Sam Harris) that Islam is no worse in theory than Christianity. That is to say that if we were following it by the letterr (old testament), we'd be living in a very bloody world.

The catch, though, is that Islam is actually much worse in practice. It hasn't had the centuries of enlightenment moderation bearing down on it. But, you know, Christianity in Africa isn't so much better, so it probably boils down to the culture infected by the religion.

Marrying 9-year-olds was common practice at the time, wasn't it? How can we hold someone accountable for living in a culture?

And since I live in a primarily Christian culture, and I hate to see them smug. So let me just say Christians are just as bad as mohameddans in terms of violence; just put Pat Robertson down in Somalia for twenty years and we'll eventually see planes crashing into abortion clinics.

You are learning, padawan.

Crap organisations
 

But these ancient organisations get tax relief including VAT off our governments.
[UK]. Also 26 prelates get automatic promotion to the House of Lords after
spending their whole life's with their heads in the sand. Surely change is needed.
How do these cretins qualify for top jobs in British politics.

They do in the United States, too (where I'm from), and it is total bullshit, I agree.

You're still technically a monarchy, though, with the Queen as head of the church. So maybe address that first.

I dont think so-not with that age difference.

Christianity is as phony as any other religion. Thousands of Christians are in the armed forces volunteering to kill. What happened to 'thou shall not kill'

i thought the US had separation of church and state written into
the constitution.

It's not <i>exactly</i> written into the constitution. The constitutional verbiage is, "congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion," and there's another clause in there about there being no religious test for office. "Separation of church and state" was a concept developed in a letter by Thomas Jefferson shortly therafter and which became a fundamental principle for interpreting the constitution. That's probably way more than a brit ever needs to know.

But the tax exemption came about from a few different angles, and I might be making some of them up. One of which is they are non-profit <cough!> organizations, so technically they would pay no/lower taxes. Second, churches argued that if government got involved in taxing religion, it woudl represent an undue interference in religion. So basically the thing has been twisted so that religion actually gets special treatment.

It's what happens when you have laws written and interpreted by men, and some of those men believe that churches are the source of all good and the rest of the men don't want to disagree with them. It's part and parcel of the religious disease. It would be considered unpolite to propose that churches pay taxes.

And then there are actual constitutents. You try getting elected after taxing on churches. I'd grant that it's an impossibility.

The only interesting modern wrinkle is whether churches are allowed to support candidates. They all do it, of course, from the Catholics to the Baptists, to the Unitarian Universalists. But technically they're not supposed to or risk losing their tax exemption. I wonder if this Supreme Court -- run by a mob of Opus Dei throwbacks -- would be willing to get rid of even this limitation.

and the poetry- don't forget the poetry :(

ofcol- poetry now adolescent humour- we are doing well

Well, I just have to say that I am personally offended by your use of the term bull****. What the fuck's wrong with you, jobee? There's absolutely no need to use that kind of language on this forum. You disgust me. I am disgusted.

jobee, no more thread starting.
and there's a poetry thread already.

thanks in advance.

Preference to none-thats what it says
 

Some of the first colonists of the nation for which the Constitution was written had been seeking to escape religious persecution. The constitutions of several of the states prohibited public support of religion (though some did explicitly support or demand adherence to Christianity). Above all, the many varying sects of Christianity in America required that to be fair to all, there could be preference to none. It would have been disgraceful for anyone to wish to leave the United States because of religious persecution. So the authors decided it best to keep the government out of religion. This is not to say that the United States was not or is not a religious nation. Religion plays a big role in the everyday life of Americans, then and now. But what the authors were striving for is tolerance... something I fear contemporary Americans are lacking.

http://www.usconstitution.net/constnotes.html#Am1

Franklin on religion
 

Benjamin Franklin

"I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies."

"Lighthouses are more helpful then churches."

-Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor

No-i disagree-we got rid of monarchy once- it regained power with Charles 11.

I think we should go for the removal of unelected power from the house of lords.

Monarchy is still quite popular-those 26 prelates are not so popular.

eleven Charleses :D??

fuck off jobee...and in this case I am addressing both the post AND the poster

Just to clarify, the appropriate expression would have been 'motherfucking bullshit' or 'fucking bullshit' or 'goddamn bullshit' or even just plane old 'bullshit', but never, ever say bull****. It demeans both the one who uses it and the ones who have to read it. And it's just rude.

P.S. I got no beef with your poem, even though I'm no fan of poetry. Joke 'em if they can't take a fuck. :|

But no ideas on how to get rid of organised religion.

strange forum-no one wants rid of organised religion-just talking silly-even childish

Duh-charles the second-your a messer matie-dont fuck with me-get of this thread

Obviously not your style, so fuck off.

You're not from Luton are you Jobby?

The United States was never a utopia of religious tolerance. Dominant religious groups still exclude other groups from office entirely (atheists most obviously, muslims as close runners up) and enacting laws that reflect their viewpoint (anti-abortion, homophobia, etc.).

And i have know idea what you fUcKers are talking about.

what kate wrote.

Europe, particularly England, seems to be getting rid of religion by simply ignoring it. Of course over here in the much younger (and stooopider) USA, we atheists ignore religion at our own peril. So I'm going with education. We get rid of organized religion/superstition by educating our kids, by giving kids a good solid education in the hard sciences. Ignorance and superstition/religion are joined at the hip.

Im a member of the get rid of religion foundation and so is my wife!

Hey calm down dear. Humans use humour to break ice and form beautiful relationships that last a lifetime, bringing joy to those who relish in its abundant fortitude.

Why would that be of consequence bum paper?

Serious
 

you can see what im about on the locations ive posted-i want the destruction of 'organised religion' in the uk-what people do in the privacy of their homes is their business- within reason--all we ever had to do was behave ourselves-which the vast majority of people are doing anyway- the church/mosque boys are saying we must believe in god/allah to behave ourselves-this is nonsense-ancient nonsense-organised religion is a business just like any other business-they sell ancient science and fairy tales- i want it stopped-

ps i prefer lower case typing-another informative forum

http://www.scotland.com/forums/religion-philosophy/

c of e bans creationism

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2007/nov/07110105.html

trolling
 

troller-another silly profession

dont talk to me like that

Fuck. Off. Cunt.

What's your next revelation Jobby? Bush wins second term?
You don't happen to know ilj do you?

charlie
 

charles 11-roman numerals-surely you knew that-

equally stupid-where is luton

How is being repeatedly told to fuck off here destroying organized religion?

Wouldn't it be better if it were religious forums telling you to fuck off?

Just curious.

in that case-is denial a river in egypt;)

lets disgus more then-how do we get rid of those 26 cunts in the

house of lords-pimping a living-dressed in frocks-making out they know something we dont know-

Try a capital i just once, is your shift key broken?

Do you play on-line poker?

Ballot box? Car bombs? Jack Bauer?

richard
 

o i see-you want to see the size of my dick

golly
 

i haven't got one- cunt that is-but i am interested in black holes-educate me

i bet that it is indeed. incase you were wondering i know you are joking.

i only know god-and mirrors

Is there a reason you hyperlinked to another forum where your inability to get along well with other posters is on flagrant display? Are you trying to tell us that you value being antisocial?

And how do you propose to "stop" religion?

if that is what you see, then you're a retard.

stop religion-why-what people do in the privacy of their homes is their business-within reason- but 'organised' religion is futile-what do we need mosques and cathedrals for-please explain

Why don't you explain how you propose to stop religion? What, are you going to just walk into the various churches, mosques, synagogues and temples and yell: STOP?

What is your practical solution to ridding the world of religion?

probably just going to read poetry at them

:rolleyes:

fail

Cal- teach this ignoramus about Roman Numerals and how not to write them :D ta :)

seconded :)

how about becoming a politician and actually fighting against them? (tho good luck winning anything) joining the NSS or the Humanists who also lobby against them- there are any number of groups out there you could join Jobee who are active against these religidiots.

we keep trying the ballot box- car bombs- been there felt that- Jack Bauer- keep him till he learns to act please :D

stop religion-i never said that=

stop religion-why-what people do in the privacy of their homes is their business-within reason- but 'organised' religion is futile-what do we need mosques and cathedrals for-please explain

You have the writing skills of a retarded plankton.
Let's try again shall we.
What is your practical solution to ridding the world of "organised religion"?

I don't need a mosque or a cathedral, but many, many people in the world think they do. Not only that but, in the U.S.A. they have a Constitutional right to them.

What do you propose we should do about that beyond fighting to keep the line between church and state as distinct as possible?

I'm not a grammar nazi, jobee, but I think you should reconsider the number of hyphens you put in your posts. It'd make your posts easier on the eyes.

I also understand your frustration about religion. I share that, so I'm not surprised you want to take action. Religion's very bothersome and sometimes dangerous. Unifying atheist forums will have little effect on that situation. You seem to suggest that you'd like to get rid of the religious buildings. I don't know if you're suggesting violence or destruction, implicitly, but getting rid of the buildings before you get rid of the religion would only increase the divisiveness between the groups. Nonviolence is key. Even if you had the mind of Machiavelli, you recognize the religious have the numbers, even in the UK. Secularists tend to be rational and therefore less willing to die for invented causes.

If you want to fight religion, you fight it in people's minds. Although it seems you can never influence a religious person, I'm positive you can. You don't get to see people convert before your eyes. You don't get the benefit of hearing them express their doubts. Try to be patient. Religion will go out through a continuous effort to educate -- not legalize -- about religion and alternatives to religion, like science.

big Jobby go flush now?

all of the above?

do you think i'd make mp on a 'ban organised religion' ticket

You could make a start by writing your manifesto on this very forum!

christian bigotry
 

[quote=inkadu;600404]The United States was never a utopia of religious tolerance. Dominant religious groups still exclude other groups from office entirely (atheists most obviously, muslims as close runners up) and enacting laws that reflect their viewpoint (anti-abortion, homophobia, etc.).
/QUOTE]jobee

christian bigotry

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you are a nit picking pretentious cunt-guard this promotion carefully

even you recognise the beginning of a sentence -without proof-

i bet you need a question mark to follow an obvious question-who wipes your

arse for you

I never realised 'cunt-guard' was hyphenated.
We learn wonderful things every day I suppose.

Proof you weren't referring to Charles XI would be a start.

How do you think your 1st week is going here?

Cunt-guard: Courtesy of Smellyoldgit: http://www.grammarmudge.cityslide.co...26348/2805.htm

cryptics puzzle you-think of suicide seriously-i want to watch

every stupid bastard in the uk knows who was king at restoration-but-
you always get one-you are that one-goodbye cunt

Wouldn't your twerpish time be better spent writing your manifesto for ridding the world of organised religion?

yes it would oldgit- i would like to make contact and unite all the atheist forums in the uk and ireland[i am working on the irish one] i want organised discussion-exchange of ideas-the best way forward-

my personal aim is to ban organised religion-but that is a bridge to far at this stage 'in my opinion'- thus-lets put organised religion in its place-it is 'unelected' power- and- has no business in the house of lords-we are a democracy and 'political power'- must go to the country and be elected-that is my mind at this moment-i am wide open to serious ideas from serious people-john

This is an international forum Jobby, why would you seek to confuse us concerning your parochial monarchy?

The needs are special in this one.

Look, if you have to type with a stick in your mouth just say so, we will make allowances.

I am disabled and unable to type, yet I manage capitalization, punctuation, Roman numerals, symbols and many other exciting effects without using a stick in the mouth. I am more than willing to help you, Jobby.

trembling
 

most of them seem like devoted christians-thick-ignorent-in a fucking dream world-is her rmajesty a member

ok supercunt-can you spell dad backwards

You're pushing your luck - you stupid fucking twat.

all women have black holes-gold mines

i didn't start it- pushing it where

jobby, you started it by being born a shit-sucking dad wanker.

control yourself.
and this is a warning.

May we consider the shitstain contained, oh awesome mod?

Smelly is the containment mod.

I'll give him the orders ASAP, straight from the Far South Command Center.