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Forum: Atheist/Theist Morality 08-09-2012, 09:48 AM
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Posted By thomastwo
Now come on. I was just following your rules....

Now come on. I was just following your rules.

You gutted my argument and only chose the pieces to which you wanted to respond. That's no way to proceed. I'm still waiting for you to respond to my...
Forum: Atheist/Theist Morality 08-09-2012, 09:42 AM
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Views: 41,700
Posted By thomastwo
duplicate post

duplicate post
Forum: Atheist/Theist Morality 08-09-2012, 09:41 AM
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Views: 41,700
Posted By thomastwo
Thanks.

Thanks.
Forum: Atheist/Theist Morality 08-09-2012, 09:30 AM
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Posted By thomastwo
duplicate post.

duplicate post.
Forum: Atheist/Theist Morality 08-09-2012, 09:29 AM
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Views: 41,700
Posted By thomastwo
You misunderstand the point. The point is not...

You misunderstand the point. The point is not that the scientific method is unreliable. It's clearly reliable. There is no reason that a theist would need to argue that point. It's not like science...
Forum: Atheist/Theist Morality 08-09-2012, 09:19 AM
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Views: 41,700
Posted By thomastwo
I already answered this point for you previously....

I already answered this point for you previously. But you chose to concentrate on misquoting me rather than attempting to engage with my response.
Forum: Atheist/Theist Morality 08-09-2012, 09:12 AM
Replies: 207
Views: 41,700
Posted By thomastwo
I have not sought to divorce logic and...

I have not sought to divorce logic and mathematics from the process of scientific inquiry and discovery. At any point.



Here's one. We only know about the big bang because of theoretical physics...
Forum: Atheist/Theist Morality 08-08-2012, 05:04 PM
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Views: 41,700
Posted By thomastwo
The point is it was a misquote. I can't be...

The point is it was a misquote. I can't be bothered to deal with people who twist words that way.
Forum: Atheist/Theist Morality 08-08-2012, 04:55 PM
Replies: 207
Views: 41,700
Posted By thomastwo
Nope, I'm not limiting the scientific method to...

Nope, I'm not limiting the scientific method to observation. With that red herring that you invented out of the way, perhaps you'll have a go at just answering the original question.




No, I'm not...
Forum: Atheist/Theist Morality 08-08-2012, 03:23 PM
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Views: 41,700
Posted By thomastwo
Right, but think about it the other way. Without...

Right, but think about it the other way. Without the empirical observation it isn't the naturalistic scientific method.



I'm not clear. Do you think you can you get knowledge from math and logic...
Forum: Atheist/Theist Morality 08-08-2012, 03:09 PM
Replies: 207
Views: 41,700
Posted By thomastwo
So he paraphrased me correctly apart from the bit...

So he paraphrased me correctly apart from the bit where he didn't?

It's a bullshit misquote. It's presented as what I said. And it isn't what I said
Forum: Atheist/Theist Morality 08-08-2012, 02:52 PM
Replies: 207
Views: 41,700
Posted By thomastwo
It simply was a misquote. No amount of...

It simply was a misquote. No amount of misdirection on your part can change that. You attributed words to me (you wrote thomastwo:) that I did not use. Misquote.
Forum: Atheist/Theist Morality 08-08-2012, 02:02 PM
Replies: 207
Views: 41,700
Posted By thomastwo
thomastwo: Ah, but pointing out that I was wrong...

thomastwo: Ah, but pointing out that I was wrong is a circular argument and pointing out that I made a factually incorrect statement means that you don't understand your own argument.

This is a...
Forum: Atheist/Theist Morality 08-08-2012, 01:36 PM
Replies: 207
Views: 41,700
Posted By thomastwo
I still don't think that misquoting is a useful...

I still don't think that misquoting is a useful way to have a conversation.
Forum: Atheist/Theist Morality 08-08-2012, 01:35 PM
Replies: 207
Views: 41,700
Posted By thomastwo
The natural sciences and natural science are not...

The natural sciences and natural science are not the same thing. Be careful.

The scientific method depends on logic and may use mathematics as rational tools to move from hypothesis to observation...
Forum: Atheist/Theist Morality 08-08-2012, 01:11 PM
Replies: 207
Views: 41,700
Posted By thomastwo
Well natural science is based on empiricism. Read...

Well natural science is based on empiricism. Read Popper or any text book on the philosophy of science. An unnatural science would be based on rationalism. Like math and logic.



Davin found a...
Forum: Atheist/Theist Morality 08-08-2012, 01:07 PM
Replies: 207
Views: 41,700
Posted By thomastwo
Then we agree that it is possible to have blind...

Then we agree that it is possible to have blind faith in science in the instance where there is a trusted authority. While you are right that in that case the person has faith in the authority, it...
Forum: Atheist/Theist Morality 08-08-2012, 12:55 PM
Replies: 207
Views: 41,700
Posted By thomastwo
I don't think misquoting is a useful way to have...

I don't think misquoting is a useful way to have a conversation.
Forum: Atheist/Theist Morality 08-08-2012, 10:17 AM
Replies: 207
Views: 41,700
Posted By thomastwo
Are you sure you stand corrected? Let me know if...

Are you sure you stand corrected? Let me know if you mean "a field of knowledge" when you say science or if you mean natural science.

And frankly you weren't called on an assertion. What happened is...
Forum: Atheist/Theist Morality 08-08-2012, 10:14 AM
Replies: 207
Views: 41,700
Posted By thomastwo
This is a kind of circular argument. If you are...

This is a kind of circular argument. If you are defining science as "a field of knowledge"then any field of knowledge is science by definition. But that doesn't really get us very far because it is...
Forum: Atheist/Theist Morality 08-08-2012, 10:04 AM
Replies: 207
Views: 41,700
Posted By thomastwo
You are either unwilling or unable to read and...

You are either unwilling or unable to read and comprehend. I said that somebody could have blind faith in science. Not that everybody places blind faith in science.



No disagreement here.



But...
Forum: Atheist/Theist Morality 08-07-2012, 04:45 PM
Replies: 207
Views: 41,700
Posted By thomastwo
I agree that faith is not required to acknowledge...

I agree that faith is not required to acknowledge the reliability of the scientific method. This was not my point at any time. I only have one simple point. It is possible to have blind faith in...
Forum: Atheist/Theist Morality 08-07-2012, 02:54 PM
Replies: 207
Views: 41,700
Posted By thomastwo
This demonstrates your inability to follow the...

This demonstrates your inability to follow the argument. All I have ever claimed is that it is possible to have blind faith in science. That's it. Nothing else. Any other claim is a figment of your...
Forum: Atheist/Theist Morality 08-07-2012, 01:09 PM
Replies: 207
Views: 41,700
Posted By thomastwo
You're just full of bluster and crap Irr. First,...

You're just full of bluster and crap Irr.

First, you want to question my use of the word science when there is absolutely no reason to think it is anything other than the dictionary...
Forum: Atheist/Theist Morality 08-07-2012, 12:25 PM
Replies: 207
Views: 41,700
Posted By thomastwo
I think the word science is pretty...

I think the word science is pretty self-explanatory. Or look in a dictionary if you don't know. Do you know what I mean by "dictionary"?

There's no need to squirm just to try and back up your buddy....
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