03-06-2012, 05:05 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: As if I'd say.
Posts: 292
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Eternal wrote
When you first started posting here Veridicanism was purely for you and your wife. It has evolved from that to a replacement for the biggest religion in the western world. Can you understand why people on here are worried about either your stability, or your intellectual honesty? Personally I believe you knew all this when you first started posting, but you had an image in your head of how you should present yourself, a big part of this self image was humility. Saying you are going to replace christianity is not humble, so you avoided taking this stance.
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It’s not going to replace it in numbers or churches. It’s replacing it theologically. Maybe not today; maybe not tomorrow, but eventually it will.
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So if the only way to the father is through christ (i'm going to presume christ is real momentarily) what about all those people that live and have lived without any knowledge of christ. There must be millions if not billions burning in hell who never even had an opportunity to follow christ, through no fault of their own. Is this just? Is this the way? It is definitely part of your truth.
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No it’s not part of my truth. Most people are annihilated. The line that partitions off the substance of God that forms them is simply not sustained by God any longer. Hell is for those who know about Christ and reject him. Which is pretty much every atheist in this forum.
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You failed to answer my question on this matter earlier in the thread, as far as I am concerned making you unable to answer the same question Joel Osteen failed to answer. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and repeat the question in case you missed it.
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Imagine a man who spends his whole life sinning, never contributing to society in a positive way. Hurting people unashamedly, with no remorse. Then at the age of seventy, after committing one final rape he gives himself to jesus with all his might, he reads the bible for 8 hours a day and lives by what you define as its guidelines. He dies one month after then goes to the father in heaven.
Man number two. He loves humanity, lives a life of self sacrifice to help others. The majority of his life is spent helping the sick and dying, working towards providing better facilities for the living, mostly at his own expense both emotionally and financially. He doesn't consider religion much, he certainly doesn't adhere to any as he is far too busy helping people, leaving him no time to do something as selfish as worry about his eternal soul.
By your definition man number two would go to hell.
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Well that’s easy; I don’t even have to think about it. Man #1 goes to heaven. Man #2 roasts in hell. You just don’t get it, do you? You just can’t get your head around why God created man in the first place.
If one accepts Jesus Christ, then they are repentant from the state they are in and they are using their free will to give up their free will and take on the will of God, thus eventually, leading to a union with God that glorifies God. That’s why we exist. Sin is ultimately anything that keeps us from Christ.
God can do all the good works Himself if He wants to; He doesn’t need help. He can prevent any bad acts as well; He doesn’t need the police.
You just don’t have a conception of what God is and why you were made.
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The questions. Is this just? Do you not think that any realistic description of a just and loving father must include provisions for such cases?
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Just according to whom? Me? God? You? God is the only one deciding what is and isn’t just. If you think logic, morality, rationality, justice, whatever exists independent of God, you’re don’t understand God. God wouldn’t be God if that were the case.
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So now you believe that veridicanism will be the last one standing in terms of following christ. Your delusions of grandeur grow by the post. (I know, I know, they are not delusions, just what god has told you).
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You say delusion of grandeur; I say hope for the future. Whatever.
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