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Old 01-13-2018, 05:30 PM   #2877
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The Judge wrote View Post
To paraphrase your friend; christian churches (run by deeply disturbed perverts in part) are a leading source of abuse of children and young adults worldwide. At least that was referenced by innumerable news stories, judicial inquiries and public apologies over many decades. I trust many of these sources.

There is only so much harm that can be meaningfully countered by your claims of charity and I would suggest that little to none of it counts against this level of abhorrent depravity and frank evil.

It is a complete and utter over exaggeration that Christian church are run by deeply disturbed perverts and abusing children higher rate than the regular population at large. Look at the recent scandals with the Olympic gymnast physician that sexually abused children, teachers, football coaches etc.

Most of what I've read has stated that most all children abused are sexually molested by dear old Dad or a single mom living with a live-in non biological Dad but boyfriend. The stats I've read reveal in a supposed confidential survey 50% of these mothers knew and did nothing either because they were sexually abused themselves or felt they couldn't leave due to various reasons including financial, fear and some even blamed their daughters for
seducing their husband, live in boyfriend etc.

You also have to look at the history of thought on curing sexual abuse. In the 80's the medical community at large thought pedophilia could be treated by desensitizing mostly men of course to kiddie porn. They would actually put electrodes on a man's penis show them kiddie porn and if their penis didn't get erect they would considered "cured." That's when my wife went to nursing school.

It didn't matter who it was, dear ole dad who is rarely reported, Clergy, teachers, coaches etc deemed "cured" and "ready to go back to society at large." Pedophiles find jobs where children are accessible. This is all pedophiles especially pastors/and priests. What the hell there is a high level of trust that is given to these persons in higher positions such as teachers, clergy, coaches etc.

It was after the recidivism rate was noted among these supposedly cured pedophiles that it was deemed nearly incurable. I haven't read the latest DSM for psychiatry to read what they think about this issue but I might look it up at some point when I have more time.

Thus it's not just a clergy issues, but clergy are held to a higher standard and the Bible is clear about this issue.

Matthew 18: 6 NIV:

New International Version

  • "If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in me--to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

Clergy will be held to a higher standard that non clergy due to their position. Woe to them.

This is where atheism falls short. If there is no God what final justice is there for these very sick individual who molest children? They just die period.
No way Judge.

I understand your loss of faith seems to be based on all the suffering you've seen, but where sin abound grace abounds all the more.

I am interested in a few other comments you've posted and hope to respond to them when I am not quite so busy.

"Only a fool believes there is no God" compliments of the Bible which you disparage sadly.

Where sin abounds grace abounds all the more, Judge. Romans.

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