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Old 02-05-2012, 12:30 PM   #137
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Ah, so you can make threats of grotesque physical violence, but you can’t even take the heat of being diss’d. I’d be appalled except I see physical cowards all the time. In the U.S. we’d call you a bitch. It’s why U.S. servicemen are always able to steal your women—even if only for a night when they’re TDY.

Ugh. You and these horrible fonts. Do you do this to make it difficult to quote you?

I should let Sol speak for himself, but I'm fairly certain that he is not threatened by your, frankly, lame attempts at insulting him, just like I wasn't threatened when you attempted to make fun of me for being black. And before you deny it, there was no other reason for you to raise the issue of the photograph I chose for my avatar and whether or not I thought the young man in it represented some kind of nobility.

Anyway, we're in a virtual environment where we are, for the most part, anonymous, and, in actuality, physically scattered throughout the globe. So any threats of actual physical violence are superfluous. In other words, they're empty threats. But Sol's was clever (if a bit graphic) and yours were not. The epithets and ridiculously over-the-top, violent imagery that Sol espoused was personally directed at you. You, on the other hand, defamed an entire country by attacking him for being Scottish.

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But as an atheist you should respect this, right? The better seed is essential for the evolution of the species. After all, we wouldn’t want your kind of cowardice to be passed on, now would we? Who would stand up to the lions and the bears and all that other natural selection stuff? You train dogs, right? Surely you know what I’m talking about.
No, I don't think anybody here does know what you're talking about 95 percent of them time. How is Sol a coward? Is he running from you?

Check it out: You have presented arguments here that you cannot defend, as it pertains to religion. Now that doesn't mean you're not entitled to hold steadfast to your beliefs, but if you were an honest man, you would concede that you don't actually know what a god is or how it allegedly created anything. There is no crime in that admission, but once you concede that, the conversation is done.

Instead, you remain here, goading us to insult you and then you bitch about it. Seriously, what do you want from us, if you are not a position to tell us what a god is and how it allegedly created a planet or even a grain of sand?

Again, you're entitled to your beliefs, but you are not entitled to attempt to force them on anyone when you cannot adequately explain why others should embrace them. It does not engender goodwill.

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So, just remember, if I’m ever in Scotland on a speaking gig or something, I like breakfast in bed: coffee in the morning (not tea) and one of those jelly-belly doughnuts. Oh, and uh, whatever she likes.
Why would Sol even be bothered to look you up? Newsflash: You're just another poster on the Internet. None of this is really personal on a nonvirtual level.

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You know, I’ve done this before. There was an atheist who e-mailed with me and we had a serious intellectual debate with mutual respect about the existence of God. As we were going along, he just ducked out of the conversation and came back in here and started up with the same ol’ disrespect-shtick. It was a complete waste of my time.
What kind of serious, intellectual debate can you have with anyone when you can't even define in concrete, coherent language what it is you're promoting? Yes, Egor, it is a complete waste of time "debating" religion, as it is entirely based on faith. Entirely. There is no evidence that can be had for the allegedly supernatural aspects of what you're espousing. If you're fine with that, perhaps you believe. If you're not, you're going to remain a skeptic. End of story.

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But what the hell, this is what I’m here for. So here it goes:
Why would you waste your time trading insults with us? Aren't you supposed to be on a more important mission, collecting believers to your cause? Don't you realize by now that your prospects here are slim to none?

What do you think you're going to accomplish here trading empty threats with us? That seems, to me, to be a rather strange and unproductive pursuit for a committed evangelical.

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Given the existence of the universe as we find it, the best explanation is to infer that a Supreme Being created it and sustains its existence.
It isn't. And asserting it over and over and over again here is not going to make yours a truthful statement. The fact is, none of us knows enough about the universe to say why it exists. You don't have to believe that, but if you're going to keep asserting the lie that you have a plausible explanation to that mystery, you are going to encounter resistance here.

Pack it up and move on, if you want to do yourself some good. You're not accomplishing anything productive here.

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Once we accept this, I believe we can speculate logically as to the character of this Being and derive the purpose of our lives and thus the best way to live our lives.
We don't accept what you're saying and we've told you why. You won't listen. Why don't you just live out your creed someplace where you are not going to be challenged and mocked for it? Wouldn't that make a lot more sense?
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I define the Supreme Being as follows: God is the monistic entity of fundamental consciousness.
This is gibberish. It doesn't explain what a god is supposed to be or how it allegedly created anything.

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Religiously, I’m a Veridican. A Veridican is a type of Christian who believes that God is monistic in His nature and that the human purpose is to become Christ; Christ being God conscious of Himself from within His creation.
Why do you think atheists care anything about your unfounded beliefs? Believe what makes you happy, but why do it in an environment where it's not going to get a good reception for the sundry reasons that have already been offered to you?

Why not seek out a guillible audience that will embrace you and your message instead of going against the tide of reason here?
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I am willing to start a mature dialogue or debate on any of those topics.
You can't have that here, because no one respects you as a person capable of engaging in a mature dialog or debate. You have been given ample opportunity and you've rejected every offer towards that endeavor.

It's really time for you to pack it in, Egor. Right now, you're in a hell of your own making. If this is your preference, then don't complain.

"So many gods, so many creeds! So many paths that wind and wind, when just the art of being kind is all this sad world needs."
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