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JerryJohn wrote

No, God made people with free will to

the free will defense is complete bullshit by the Christian's own standards, because the Bible is full of stories about Yahweh violating free will all the time.

Kicking Adam and Eve out of Eden? Sentencing them to death, suffering and painful childbirth? Against their will.


Killing all the people on the planet (except 8) in Noah’s flood violated their free will. I’m quite certain none of them wanted to drown.


Lot’s wife turned into a block of salt, for looking over her shoulder at Sodom and Gomorrah? Probably wasn’t on her bucket list.


The death of the firstborn of Egypt? Against their will. Don’t forget also that the Bible says Yahweh hardened Pharaoh’s heart to make him not want to let the Israelites go, so that Yahweh would have a chance to show off and hurl some punishments on the Egyptians.


The victims of Joshua’s god-directed genocide campaign against the inhabitants of the ‘Promised Land’? I’m pretty sure that getting murdered was a violation of their free will.


Let’s go New Testament for a minute. Ananias and Sapphira – reportedly struck dead for lying about how much money they gave at church? Free will violation. Funny how he doesn’t ever strike down fraudulent televangelists for stealing money in his name…


Herod, struck down by an angel and eaten by worms? God’s choice, not his.

All the people who Christians think will be roasted by their God in his eternal barbecue? They wouldn’t choose that any more than Jews would have chosen a death-vacation at Dachau.


Since Christians insist on using the Bible, we will use it to point out that their god interferes with free will whenever he feels like it. Usually it’s when he wants to kill people and/or make himself look impressive. Sadly, he doesn’t seem to want to use his powers for good – to intervene and stop evildoers, but we are talking real world rather than in stories, and that would put a lot of pressure on him. Performance anxiety perhaps?

Free will is nothing more than a defense argument for a negligent god. When the free will excuse is challenged, the backup argument goes like this:

“God’s ways are mysterious. He knows the big picture and we can never fathom his plans. I have faith that he has a good reason why he didn’t intervene. Who are you to question God anyway?”

Yeah, right. Or maybe your god is imaginary. That would fit the facts a lot better.

http://www.debunking-christianity.co...ll-excuse.html