I would like to prove God...somehow!

[Facehammer]

There is a "thing" approaching, and it's called climate change.

The solution to this problem will not come from any religion of any sort. It will not directly come from atheism, either - it will come from science, policy and new technology, if it will come from anywhere.

[calpurnpiso]

Sevens wrote

calpurnpiso

There are so many things scewed up with evolutionary religion thats why I think a huge correction is about to befall it. They are in for great reckoning from what I read.

All the BS contained in relgion is about to ripped out. They dont escape this approaching thing.

Sevens

evolutionary religion? Religious beliefs are always an stagnation of thinking, they never evolve since the imaginary friend at their center is ALWAYS a delusion.

[Sevens]

Lets delete the thread if you dont like it.

I got no problem with that and I wouldn't feel offended in anyway and neither would you.

Unless deep down you are curious?

By the way my name middle name is Richard/Dick, you are right I am a dick.

Sevens

[Sevens]

Cal

I think your'e right evolutionary religion is stuck in the mud and totally stagnant and completely blind unto there own book in many ways and many of there interpretations are way off and they are far to judgmental on everyone not in their exclusive club. Even the Atheists see this. The witness they produce is completely uncompatible with the Atheist in all their divisional words. I believe in the future this will be completely highlighted, demonstrated and corrected with severity.

Sevens

[Mog]

We rarely ever delete threads. There's no point to doing that.

(And I was referring to god being a dick if your hypothesis happened to hold true, not yourself.)

[Sevens]

No worries MOG

I just thought this was thread was creating an effect that I didnt desire and I dont want to piss everyone off.

Eva was right actually this thread is in the wrong place, its true.

Sevens

[calpurnpiso]

Sevens wrote

No worries MOG

I just thought this was thread was creating an effect that I didnt desire and I dont want to piss everyone off.

Eva was right actually this thread is in the wrong place, its true.

Sevens

Seven, the only way you could piss us off would be by calling us devoted Christians followers & deeply pious kneeling folks....that would be an unforgivable offense..a least to me.
BTW, do you know that you could actually prove God with Sacred sex? I have.

Lucius Calpurnious Piso Cesoninus.

[Sevens]

Yeah no worries Cal

I wouldnt blame you, to me that form of religion is dead and has nothing to do with outward show or anything like that but has to do with the thing from within and real truth which, if it can substansiated, would be good.

Thats all it is.

Whats the deal, whats the truth, what's the BS and what's not BS and how can that be demonstrated without doubt.

Sevens

[calpurnpiso]

Sevens wrote

Yeah no worries Cal

I wouldnt blame you, to me that form of religion is dead and has nothing to do with outward show or anything like that but has to do with the thing from within and real truth which, if it can substansiated, would be good.

Thats all it is.

Whats the deal, whats the truth, what's the BS and what's not BS and how can that be demonstrated without doubt.

Sevens

Sorry that "form" of religion has simply mutated into what we call today: Judaism, Christianity ( its numerous denominations) & Islam ( and its many denominations).
To BS or not to BS that is your question, but my response is that all of it is created by the brain, without doubt that is the truth, what you make of it, is up to you.

[Sevens]

Cal

That's a fair comment and that's why I want to see if its my brain in a delusional state or whether there is some truth in this focalization that may lead to other things. So far I feel, Im coming up with some interesting results. Im going by from what I see in my mind and what I see as a connection. It appears that many connections are making up a whole living reality that I see about me in the reality foreseen. The key is grouping the connections from all sources into a whole picture in a particular focalization, like the ancient cities. The journey appears to have a duality in what was seen documented in all relevant books and the current living reality to the places.

In saying this, it has to be tested as we move forward in the foreseen reality.

Sevens

[calpurnpiso]

Sevens wrote

Cal

That's a fair comment and that's why I want to see if its my brain in a delusional state or whether there is some truth in this focalization that may lead to other things. So far I feel, Im coming up with some interesting results. Im going by from what I see in my mind and what I see as a connection. It appears that many connections are making up a whole living reality that I see about me in the reality foreseen. The key is grouping the connections from all sources into a whole picture in a particular focalization, like the ancient cities. The journey appears to have a duality in what was seen documented in all relevant books and the current living reality to the places.

In saying this, it has to be tested as we move forward in the foreseen reality.

Sevens

Any brain can be place in a delusional state merely by ingesting entheogens, or having a six pack of Grolsch beer & a join. It is nothing wrong with delusions as long as we now what they are and how to control them,,,,they can make us into poets, painters, sculptors, film makers, meditating experts etc.. Let the force of religious psychosis flow giving you great dreams!..you'll be OK as long as you know the brain is the one creating them.It s best when one CONTROLS the brain making it do what one want. I do!, then I can have the dream of my choice, resting amazingly great...then morning comes and this LXVI body fully rested as resurrected once more joining the wold of the living. I suggest you have lots of sex, either alone or with helpers. These act of libido appeasement to the gods are conducive to great mental health, body balance, peace and ataraxia. Here is a video I just uploaded about this extraordinary pleasure force which keep us resurrecting. This is my 4th video explaining sacred sex and its ramifications in today's religious-psychosis called Abrahamic religions. Enjoy:



http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ItVJ5dKTK6I

[Sevens]

Ok here is my Bombshell, here is the big Bomb and a great hurdle for the Atheist and all Religion to over come in the evidence.

This is it! The great drop of truth and verified.

Ready!

Here goes

Here is some information that proves my point in all of this, Evidence that points to the time and place. These are scientists involved

Lahn collaborated on the studies with Patrick D. Evans, Nitzan Mekel-Bobrov, Eric J. Vallender and Richard R. Hudson, all of the University of Chicago.

http://www.ubthenews.com:80/topics/A_n_E.htm
By no means do these findings constitute definitive proof that a Neanderthal was the source of the original copy of the D allele. However, our evidence shows that it is one of the best candidates.
Bruce T. Lahn

The scientists said they have developed the most robust genetic evidence to date that suggests humans and Neanderthals interbred when they existed together thousands of years ago. The interbreeding hypothesis contrasts with at least one prominent theory that posits that no interbreeding occurred when the two species encountered one another.
Lahn collaborated on the studies with Patrick D. Evans, Nitzan Mekel-Bobrov, Eric J. Vallender and Richard R. Hudson, all of the University of Chicago.

In their studies, Lahn and his colleagues performed a detailed statistical analysis of the DNA sequence structure of the gene microcephalin, which is known to play a role in regulating brain size in humans. Mutations in the human gene cause development of a much smaller brain, a condition called microcephaly.

Earlier studies by Lahn's group yielded evidence that the microcephalin gene has two distinct classes of alleles. One class, called the D alleles, is comprised of a group of alleles with rather similar DNA sequences. The other class is called the non-D alleles. Lahn and colleagues previously showed that all modern copies of the D alleles arose from a single progenitor copy about 37,000 years ago, which then increased in frequency rapidly and are now present in about 70 percent of the world's population. This rapid rise in frequency indicates that the D alleles underwent positive selection in the recent history of humans. This means that these alleles conferred a fitness advantage on those who possessed one of them such that these people had slightly higher reproductive success than people who didn't possess the alleles, said Lahn.
The estimate that all modern copies of the D alleles descended from a single progenitor copy about 37,000 years ago is based on the measurement of sequence difference between different copies of the D alleles.

As a copy of a gene is passed from one generation to the next, mutations are introduced at a steady rate, such that a certain number of generations later, the descendent copies of the gene would on average vary from one another in DNA sequence by a certain amount. The greater the number of the generations, the more DNA sequence difference there would be between two descendent copies, said Lahn. The amount of sequence difference between different copies of a gene can therefore be used to estimate the amount of evolutionary time that has elapsed since the two copies descended from their common progenitor.

In the new studies reported in PNAS, the researchers performed detailed sequence comparisons between the D alleles and the non-D alleles of microcephalin. The scientists determined that these two classes of alleles have likely evolved in two separate lineages for about 1.1 million years with the non-D alleles having evolved in the Homo sapiens lineage and the D alleles having evolved in an archaic, and now extinct, Homo lineage. Then, about 37,000 years ago, a copy of the D allele crossed from the archaic Homo lineage into humans, possibly by interbreeding between members of the two populations. This copy subsequently spread in humans from a single copy when it first crossed into humans to an allele that is now present in an estimated 70 percent of the population worldwide today.

The estimate of 1.1 million years that separates the two lineages is based on the amount of sequence difference between the D and the non-D alleles. Although the identity of this archaic Homo lineage is yet to be determined, the researchers argue that a likely candidate is the Neanderthals. The 1.1 million year separation between humans and this archaic Homo species is roughly consistent with previous estimates of the amount of evolutionary time separating the Homo sapiens lineage and the Neanderthal lineage, said Lahn. Furthermore, the time of introgression of the D allele into humans about 37,000 years ago is when humans and Neanderthals coexisted in many parts of the world.

Lahn said the group's data suggest that the interbreeding was unlikely to be a thorough genetic mixing, but rather a rare - and perhaps even a single event that introduced the ancestral D allele previously present in this other Homo species into the human line.

By no means do these findings constitute definitive proof that a Neanderthal was the source of the original copy of the D allele, said Lahn. However, our evidence shows that it is one of the best candidates. The timeline - including the introgression of the allele into humans 37,000 years ago and its origin in a lineage that separated with the human line 1.1 million years ago agrees with the contact between, and the evolutionary history of, Neanderthals and humans.

And a third line of evidence, albeit weaker, is that the D alleles are much more prevalent in Eurasia and lower in sub-Saharan Africa, which is consistent with an origin in the former area. And we know that Neanderthals evolved outside of Africa, said Lahn.

Lahn also said that although the disruption of the microcephalin gene in humans leads to smaller brains, the role of the D alleles in brain evolution remains unknown. The D alleles may not even change brain size; they may only make the brain a bit more efficient if it indeed affects brain function, he said. For example, someone inheriting the D allele may have only a slightly more efficient brain on average. While that enhancement might confer only a subtle evolutionary advantage on that person, when that effect is propagated over a thousand generations of natural selection, the result will be to drive the D alleles to a very high prevalence.

Lahn and his colleagues believe that other genes might well show similar telltale signs of an origin in archaic Homo lineages such as Neanderthals. They are currently using their analytical tool to search for evidence of that origin for other genes in the human genome.

Such findings may have broader implications for understanding human evolution than just revealing the possibility of human-Neanderthal interbreeding, he said. In addition to being perhaps the most robust genetic evidence for introgression of genes from archaic Homo species into humans, I think this finding demonstrates that the evolution of our species has been profoundly impacted by gene flow from our relative species, said Lahn.

Finding evidence of mixing is not all that surprising. But our study demonstrates the possibility that interbreeding contributed advantageous variants into the human gene pool that subsequently spread. This implies that the evolution of human biology has been affected by the contribution of advantageous genetic variants from archaic relatives that we have replaced or even killed off, he said.

Until now, said Lahn, the scientific debate over genetic exchange between humans and other Homo species has led to two prominent competing theories. One holds that anatomically modern humans replaced archaic species, with no interbreeding. And the other states that extensive interbreeding did take place and that modern humans evolved from that interbreeding in many regions of the world.

Genetic and fossil evidence for the latter multiregional theory has been inconclusive, said Lahn, so that theory has been largely discredited. However, he said, the newer evidence of gene exchange as well as other genetic evidence that might follow could give rise to a more moderate version holding that some genetic exchange did take place. Furthermore, it will become increasingly appreciated that such genetic exchange might have made our species much more fit.

http://www.ubthenews.com/summaries/garden_of_eden.htm

Subduction of the 1st Garden of Eden



and the first human sentient family 1,000,000 years ago through genetic mutation.

http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper63.html

The Atheist has now a real uphill battle now to disprove this and the existence of God as the evidence is mounting.

I just found this piece research yesterday and I see this work proven as the key is in our blood and it goes back to a time and place as written in the Urantia Book.

Sevens

[calpurnpiso]

Sevens wrote

Ok here is my Bombshell, here is the big Bomb and a great hurdle for the Atheist and all Religion to over come in the evidence.

This is it! The great drop of truth and verified.

Ready!

Here goes

Here is some information that proves my point in all of this, Evidence that points to the time and place. These are scientists involved

Lahn collaborated on the studies with Patrick D. Evans, Nitzan Mekel-Bobrov, Eric J. Vallender and Richard R. Hudson, all of the University of Chicago.





http://www.ubthenews.com/summaries/garden_of_eden.htm

Subduction of the 1st Garden of Eden



and the first human sentient family 1,000,000 years ago through genetic mutation.

http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper63.html

The Atheist has now a real uphill battle now to disprove this and the existence of God as the evidence is mounting.

I just found this piece research yesterday and I see this work proven as the key is in our blood and it goes back to a time and place as written in the Urantia Book.

Sevens

Here is my exposition of a disturbing fact. You are schizotypal suffering from a delusions inducing anomaly. You perception of science is DISTORTED, IOW, you see 2+2 as equal to 6. Don't forget a brain is an awful thing to waste, see a neurologist.

[nkb]

Yup, sevens, that's some rock solid proof! How did we not see this before?

What the fuck does the one story have to do with the other? Has there ever been a bigger non-sequitur on this site?

[Eva]

nkb, first explain what a non sequitur is to sevens.