Evidence thread

In the "Should Science Speak To Faith?" thread, it seems that an impasse has been reached as to what constitutes valid evidence. There will be a new thread to discuss this question further, but I would like to know what Lily does consider evidence. I don't intend to debate whether or not it is valid - I'll leave that to ADT et. al.- I just want to see a brief case for Lily's faith, which she insists is neither blind nor illogical.

So how about it Lily? Care to give us a quick summary of the evidence so that we can a get a rough idea of the evidentiary foundation your faith rests upon?

Edit: grammar

Could omni-god make something so self-evident that even it couldn't not know it?

[Sternwallow]

Even a non-omni god couldn't not recognize the self evidence of anything that it made. :D

[Professor Chaos]

ocmpoma wrote

Could omni-god make something so self-evident that even it couldn't not know it?

:lol:

I was soon going to reference you in the "what ever happened to..." thread.

[Xans]

ocmpoma wrote

Could omni-god make something so self-evident that even it couldn't not know it?

Omni-god can't even exist.

[calpurnpiso]

Xans wrote

Omni-god can't even exist.

yes they do, just ask the Jesus tooth fairy and he'll reveal the mystery of the omni-god.! Where is your faith?..obvioulsy in your arse..:lol:

[Philboid Studge]

Chaos, get yer ass in here!

[Irreligious]

Xans wrote

Omni-god can't even exist.

:o:o:o
I am stunned by this admission from you! Explain to me your god then. Um, please. :blush:

[Professor Chaos]

Philboid Studge wrote

Chaos, get yer ass in here!

Yeah, my bad. I wasn't paying attention to what thread I was in at first.

[Professor Chaos]

What are the odds on Lily saying something in that thread that she's never said before?

[Philboid Studge]

Googol-plex to one, against. But that doesn't make her a bad person!

[Philboid Studge]

I confess I haven't been hanging on every word, but am I wrong to detect some goalpost shiftage?

Lily wrote

Rational, intelligent people can believe in God (and let me be honest, I mean God-- as described by Christianity) because the evidence is such that one can weigh it and find it acceptable, believable, whateverable.

With parameters now soaring into the whateverable, I'm inclined to agree with Lily. Rational intelligent people can believe in a God described by Christianity (whatever that is), so long as their intelligence and rationality are out taking a whiz.

Philboid Studge wrote

I confess I haven't been hanging on every word, but am I wrong to detect some goalpost shiftage?

With parameters now soaring into the whateverable, I'm inclined to agree with Lily. Rational intelligent people can believe in a God described by Christianity (whatever that is), so long as their intelligence and rationality are out taking a whiz.

Well, you couldn't recognize sarcasm when it hit you over the head (remember: Tuscaloosa mouth breather?) and that wasn't the least bit subtle. So I wouldn't be surprised if you missed the point of the discussion I was trying to have over in the science thread. Of course, the fact that it was hijacked early on could well have led to you missing some of the point(s).

Evidence, schmevidence.

You're forgetting the true purpose of religion: to believe in whatever crazy bullshit you want, no questions asked.

And that's why I'm a Viking.

[Philboid Studge]

Lily wrote

Well, you couldn't recognize sarcasm when it hit you over the head (remember: Tuscaloosa mouth breather?)

That was sarcasm? Really? I had no idea!