06-29-2007, 10:21 AM
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In the "Should Science Speak To Faith?" thread, it seems that an impasse has been reached as to what constitutes valid evidence. There will be a new thread to discuss this question further, but I would like to know what Lily does consider evidence. I don't intend to debate whether or not it is valid - I'll leave that to ADT et. al.- I just want to see a brief case for Lily's faith, which she insists is neither blind nor illogical.
So how about it Lily? Care to give us a quick summary of the evidence so that we can a get a rough idea of the evidentiary foundation your faith rests upon?
Edit: grammar
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06-29-2007, 03:08 PM
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Could omni-god make something so self-evident that even it couldn't not know it?
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06-29-2007, 06:34 PM
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Even a non-omni god couldn't not recognize the self evidence of anything that it made. :D
"Those who most loudly proclaim their honesty are least likely to possess it."
"Atheism: rejecting all absurdity." S.H.
"Reality, the God alternative"
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06-29-2007, 07:22 PM
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ocmpoma wrote
Could omni-god make something so self-evident that even it couldn't not know it?
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:lol:
I was soon going to reference you in the "what ever happened to..." thread.
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06-29-2007, 10:49 PM
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Quote:
ocmpoma wrote
Could omni-god make something so self-evident that even it couldn't not know it?
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Omni-god can't even exist.
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06-30-2007, 12:06 AM
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ocmpoma wrote
Could omni-god make something so self-evident that even it couldn't not know it?
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Omni-god can't even exist.
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yes they do, just ask the Jesus tooth fairy and he'll reveal the mystery of the omni-god.! Where is your faith?..obvioulsy in your arse..:lol:
Christians and other folks infected with delusional beliefs think and reason like schizophrenics or temporal lobe epileptics. Their morality is dictated by an invisible friend called Jesus.
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06-30-2007, 10:55 AM
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Chaos, get yer ass in here!
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06-30-2007, 11:00 AM
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Omni-god can't even exist.
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:o:o:o
I am stunned by this admission from you! Explain to me your god then. Um, please. :blush:
"So many gods, so many creeds! So many paths that wind and wind, when just the art of being kind is all this sad world needs."
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06-30-2007, 11:02 AM
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Chaos, get yer ass in here!
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Yeah, my bad. I wasn't paying attention to what thread I was in at first.
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06-30-2007, 11:03 AM
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What are the odds on Lily saying something in that thread that she's never said before?
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06-30-2007, 11:08 AM
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Googol-plex to one, against. But that doesn't make her a bad person!
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07-02-2007, 11:58 AM
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I confess I haven't been hanging on every word, but am I wrong to detect some goalpost shiftage?
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Lily wrote
Rational, intelligent people can believe in God (and let me be honest, I mean God-- as described by Christianity) because the evidence is such that one can weigh it and find it acceptable, believable, whateverable.
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With parameters now soaring into the whateverable, I'm inclined to agree with Lily. Rational intelligent people can believe in a God described by Christianity (whatever that is), so long as their intelligence and rationality are out taking a whiz.
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07-02-2007, 12:05 PM
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Quote:
Philboid Studge wrote
I confess I haven't been hanging on every word, but am I wrong to detect some goalpost shiftage?
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Lily wrote
Rational, intelligent people can believe in God (and let me be honest, I mean God-- as described by Christianity) because the evidence is such that one can weigh it and find it acceptable, believable, whateverable.
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With parameters now soaring into the whateverable, I'm inclined to agree with Lily. Rational intelligent people can believe in a God described by Christianity (whatever that is), so long as their intelligence and rationality are out taking a whiz.
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Well, you couldn't recognize sarcasm when it hit you over the head (remember: Tuscaloosa mouth breather?) and that wasn't the least bit subtle. So I wouldn't be surprised if you missed the point of the discussion I was trying to have over in the science thread. Of course, the fact that it was hijacked early on could well have led to you missing some of the point(s).
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07-02-2007, 12:07 PM
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Evidence, schmevidence.
You're forgetting the true purpose of religion: to believe in whatever crazy bullshit you want, no questions asked.
And that's why I'm a Viking.
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07-02-2007, 12:18 PM
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Well, you couldn't recognize sarcasm when it hit you over the head (remember: Tuscaloosa mouth breather?)
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That was sarcasm? Really? I had no idea!
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