08-17-2010, 12:12 PM
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Sternwallow wrote
Starting at the 13.7 Billion year point, we have enough data to reliably extrapolate the heat death of the universe and enough to reasonably anticipate the growth of the Sun that will consume the Earth in about 5 Billion years.
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I say the Sun will be zotzed by the Milky Way's collision with Andromeda before it has time to completely consume the Earth. If I'm wrong, I owe you a coke.
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08-17-2010, 12:13 PM
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#152
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Janus VI wrote
Humans only (and other extraterrestrial conscious beings)
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No (I don't think they do), unconscious life.
At the point of humans.
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Do unconscious humans have souls?
At what point in evolution did animals become human beings?
If you answer "when they became conscious" (a circular argument) then how do you measure consciousness?
That is, if I present you with a specimen of a creature that is on the hereditary line after our common ancestor with the chimpanzee ( Pan troglodytes, who, I presume you would say does not have a soul), how would you determine if it was conscious as opposed to just aware as other soulless animals are?
Remember that virtually all behavioral traits of humans also occur in some other animals. For instance, apes can recognize themselves in a mirror, pigeons can develop superstitions (just like ball game fans), chimpanzees can lie and cheat, entire populations of ants make war on each other, ants keep domesticated animals the way human farmers keep cows, several animals make and use innovative tools and, of course most "higher" animals show the full range of emotions from lust to loyalty, from jealousy to empathy.
Humans do not have a monopoly on flatulence; they just expanded it to include mental flatulence.
"Those who most loudly proclaim their honesty are least likely to possess it."
"Atheism: rejecting all absurdity." S.H.
"Reality, the God alternative"
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08-17-2010, 12:18 PM
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#153
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A poor leader should realize that all the people following him have weapons pointed his way.
"He ate only when we ate; he slept only when we slept and when he woke up, nobody slept for 48 hours." said of a true leader. [v-cookie for reference]
"Those who most loudly proclaim their honesty are least likely to possess it."
"Atheism: rejecting all absurdity." S.H.
"Reality, the God alternative"
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08-17-2010, 12:19 PM
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#154
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I am sure that you are not presuming to lecture US about leadership; that would be insulting and could provoke highly negative responses.
"Those who most loudly proclaim their honesty are least likely to possess it."
"Atheism: rejecting all absurdity." S.H.
"Reality, the God alternative"
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08-17-2010, 12:21 PM
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#155
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True valor!
"Those who most loudly proclaim their honesty are least likely to possess it."
"Atheism: rejecting all absurdity." S.H.
"Reality, the God alternative"
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08-17-2010, 12:35 PM
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#156
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Philboid Studge wrote
I say the Sun will be zotzed by the Milky Way's collision with Andromeda before it has time to completely consume the Earth. If I'm wrong, I owe you a coke.
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I'll take that coke when the time comes 'cause, either way, it's gonna get pretty hot around these here parts. However, the train schedule I read said that Andromeda will be arriving somewhat after the Sun goes glutton on us.
You also know, I'm sure, that the stars are so sparse that when two galaxies "collide" there are almost no collisions of individual bodies, they hust get flung around and scattered even more before settling down in a combined galaxy.
It is not certain that another star would even come close enough to disrupt our solar system, while it sails off at some crazy angle.
Why worry? We'll probably be hit by a huge asteroid or Yellowstone will blow up or some other thing, unwelcome, unfortunate and very much under-appreciated, long before that other stuff.
"Those who most loudly proclaim their honesty are least likely to possess it."
"Atheism: rejecting all absurdity." S.H.
"Reality, the God alternative"
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08-17-2010, 06:17 PM
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#157
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ghoulslime wrote
Do clams have souls? If not, what is the “essence” of clams? What animates them?
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No (but they got soul baby!), protein, and beer.
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Janus VI wrote
No (I don't think they do), unconscious life.
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WTF?!
"Ignorance is not bliss; it is terrifying like walking blindfolded down a dark hallway full of set bear traps." ~ Sternwallow
Death will be like 1964 all over again.
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08-17-2010, 06:45 PM
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#158
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Janus VI wrote
Humans only (and other extraterrestrial conscious beings)
Yes
No (I don't think they do), unconscious life.
At the point of humans.
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This is great news! I feel that we are making progress in this educational journey.
So I am to understand that Homo sapiens have souls. When you say that early humans had souls, I presume you are including Homo erectus soloensis and Homo floresiensis. Did Homo sapiens heidelbergensis have souls?
How about Neanderthals? Do they have souls? If not, then do the Homo sapiens who crossbred with Neanderthals only have partial souls?
At what point did humans evolve souls? Could you enlighten me on the natural selection process that resulted in modern humans having immortal souls?
Please elucidate on this marvelous evolutionary trait! Were souls formed by a random DNA sequence mutation?
The Leprechauns do not forbid the drawing of Their images, as long as we color within the lines. ~ Ghoulslime H Christ, Prophet, Seer, Revelator, and Masturbator
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08-17-2010, 06:49 PM
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clambake wrote
No (but they got soul baby!), protein, and beer.
WTF?!
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They are the devil's handmaiden for certain!
However, clams have feelings too. And I think we should all be more sensitive to that.
The Leprechauns do not forbid the drawing of Their images, as long as we color within the lines. ~ Ghoulslime H Christ, Prophet, Seer, Revelator, and Masturbator
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08-17-2010, 06:51 PM
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Sternwallow wrote
I'll take that coke when the time comes 'cause, either way, it's gonna get pretty hot around these here parts. However, the train schedule I read said that Andromeda will be arriving somewhat after the Sun goes glutton on us.
You also know, I'm sure, that the stars are so sparse that when two galaxies "collide" there are almost no collisions of individual bodies, they hust get flung around and scattered even more before settling down in a combined galaxy.
It is not certain that another star would even come close enough to disrupt our solar system, while it sails off at some crazy angle.
Why worry? We'll probably be hit by a huge asteroid or Yellowstone will blow up or some other thing, unwelcome, unfortunate and very much under-appreciated, long before that other stuff.
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Sweet leprechauns of mercy! I'll be laying awake all night worrying about this!
I hope heart disease or stroke catches up to me before I have to face this galactic horror!
The Leprechauns do not forbid the drawing of Their images, as long as we color within the lines. ~ Ghoulslime H Christ, Prophet, Seer, Revelator, and Masturbator
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08-17-2010, 06:58 PM
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#161
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Sternwallow wrote
Given only Hydrogen and Oxygen, could you deduce wetness?
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Given Janus VI, a diaper, and three cans of baked beans, could you accurately predict gurgling noises and hysterical giggling coming out of his bedroom at night?
The Leprechauns do not forbid the drawing of Their images, as long as we color within the lines. ~ Ghoulslime H Christ, Prophet, Seer, Revelator, and Masturbator
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08-17-2010, 08:21 PM
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#162
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ghoulslime wrote
Given Janus VI, a diaper, and three cans of baked beans, could you accurately predict gurgling noises and hysterical giggling coming out of his bedroom at night?
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Well, yes, but we have prehistoric records (coprolites) for that biological reaction so it can be expected in the case of this particular mental/physical fart fact.
"Those who most loudly proclaim their honesty are least likely to possess it."
"Atheism: rejecting all absurdity." S.H.
"Reality, the God alternative"
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08-18-2010, 12:51 AM
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#163
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Sternwallow wrote
You also know, I'm sure, that the stars are so sparse that when two galaxies "collide" there are almost no collisions of individual bodies, they hust get flung around and scattered even more before settling down in a combined galaxy.
It is not certain that another star would even come close enough to disrupt our solar system, while it sails off at some crazy angle.
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I think that's true, chances are no single star would hit another. I'd love to be around to look up at the night sky a few million years before they meet, that'd be some sight
"I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day" - Douglas Adams
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08-18-2010, 03:13 AM
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The main problem would be the gravitational sling shotting of stars and soalr systems. Our sun could well end up being flung from the new galaxy. I think we have a 2 billion year wait though. I reckon the Milky Way will win by technical knockout.
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08-18-2010, 05:51 PM
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I am happy that you guys want to learn more about concepts of souls, but in conclucion The type IV being have the last word of Who have a soul and who do not. He say:"For I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham" Luke 3:8.
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Sternwallow
Starting at the 13.7 Billion year point, we have enough data to reliably extrapolate the heat death of the universe and enough to reasonably anticipate the growth of the Sun that will consume the Earth in about 5 Billion years. This is not guesswork nor imagination (like Type IV civilizations for which there is no data); it is the predictive product of well-verified theories.
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If you remove life from the ecuation to find the future of the universe you are right. However, Life have something different on mind.
Letme give you a easy example that maybe you can understand.
If a 1 Ton rock is rolling down a hill and you are in the path of the rock, what will happen next?
A) You will die.
B) You will move to your left or right to avoid the rock.
Sternwallow you write you answer in the next line: _________ (A or B)
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Sternwallow
I am sure that you are not presuming to lecture US about leadership; that would be insulting and could provoke highly negative responses.
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I learn here that atheist premise is: “Only sheep need a shepherd” it is clear that you guys give a damn about leadership.
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ghoulslime
This is great news! I feel that we are making progress in this educational journey.
So I am to understand that Homo sapiens have souls. When you say that early humans had souls, I presume you are including Homo erectus soloensis and Homo floresiensis. Did Homo sapiens heidelbergensis have souls? Etc etc.
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Soul is something gived to anything (animals, humans, rock etc) in the end of times by the type IV being.
Why aren't my words clear to you? Because you can't really hear what I say.
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