Something cannot come from nothing…

[VladTheImpaler]

Hello,

Oh yes, something cannot come from nothing theists repeatedly claim. Such a claim is often made in the context of the creation of the universe to demonstrate that there had to be a creator. Although personally I’m not even certain what nothing means nor do I see any logical limitation that would prevent me to believe that something can come from nothing. Admittedly the idea that something cannot come from nothing sits well with my intuition, however, though that’s beside the point.

Now let’s present an argument in relation to my favourite bash-worthy God, the Christian asshole of the Bible. His properties are of course omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent as believed by the majority of Christians.

I’ve always been amazed at Christian’s claim that something cannot come from nothing and that God is the ultimate being, the creator,the biggest cunt in the universe, the alpha and the omega, the first cause; yet God is not evil.

Now my question goes back to my Christian friends…

How can something[evil] come from nothing?

Now, I’ve often heard Christians explain that evil is but absence of God. However, this does not make any fucking sense. How can I possibly separate my self from an omnipresent God? If you picture a circle and then attribute this circle as God, although God does not have any borders this should serve well enough as an illustration. If you have this circle in your mind and imagine this as God, then everything in it, the universe and all of observable creation and otherwise is apart of the circle. Now then, if I’m apart of the circle which again is a part of God, then where does evil come from? Is there a parallel circle in another dimension that leaks evil into the God circle?

If I’m doing evil and I’m a part of the circle, which is God, how can I at the same time be absent of God’s presence? My argument is I cannot, the Christian God of the Bible is the ultimate source of all evil.

Signed,
VladTheAsshole

[nastassja]

I thought it was "evil is the absence of good" or something along those lines. But "evil" and "good" are such relative terms and I still don't understand Christian "good."

This is an interesting find. read it sometime. http://www.nasamike.com/main/book/5a.htm

[nastassja]

Wait, now--evil is sin is anything that is self-destructive?

So, if I donate too much blood does that mean I've done evil?

[Kate]

[Choobus]

VladTheImpaler wrote

Hello,

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Now my question goes back to my Christian friends…

How can something[evil] come from nothing?

Now, I’ve often heard Christians explain that evil is but absence of God. However, this does not make any fucking sense. How can I possibly separate my self from an omnipresent God? If you picture a circle and then attribute this circle as God, although God does not have any borders this should serve well enough as an illustration. If you have this circle in your mind and imagine this as God, then everything in it, the universe and all of observable creation and otherwise is apart of the circle. Now then, if I’m apart of the circle which again is a part of God, then where does evil come from? Is there a parallel circle in another dimension that leaks evil into the God circle?

If I’m doing evil and I’m a part of the circle, which is God, how can I at the same time be absent of God’s presence? My argument is I cannot, the Christian God of the Bible is the ultimate source of all evil.

Signed,
VladTheAsshole

If I could answer the first question then I would be God, I'm not, so to make something out of nothing demands the ability of be the maker of that which is not. We are restrticted by the "Laws of Physics", God is not.

Evil is not the absence of God it is the opposition to God. For example God has said that He would provide for humanity, man produces evil when he decides that he can do without God or better yet displace God. An example of this in politics would be Socialism. There are many churches that teach that all you need to do get to heaven is live a good life, give to the church etc. etc. This would be evil.

Being an athiest does not make you evil, it only tells people that you are a "sinner" just like everyone else. To cross the road over to evil you would have to start promoting a system that would take the place of that which God has revealed to be His Plan. Of course there are a lot of different ideas as to what that might be.

[Kamikaze189]

happywarrior wrote

Evil is not the absence of God it is the opposition to God. For example God has said that He would provide for humanity, man produces evil when he decides that he can do without God or better yet displace God. An example of this in politics would be Socialism. There are many churches that teach that all you need to do get to heaven is live a good life, give to the church etc. etc. This would be evil.

This answer doesn't address natural disasters (called "Acts of God" by insurance companies, for some reason), so how do you explain those? Too many gays in N'orleans?

Kamikaze189 wrote

This answer doesn't address natural disasters (called "Acts of God" by insurance companies, for some reason), so how do you explain those? Too many gays in N'orleans?

Of course not, that wasn't the question. Natural disasters etc. has to do with the existance of another creature that is often dismissed as nonexistant. I'm still wrestiling with why God created creatures that would turn against Him. There must be an overwhelming possitive to the observable negative. It is indeed a very difficult area to get absolute answers to. frankly if I were god I wouldn't put up with so much crap, I think I'd just wipe the whole mess out of existance.

[Choobus]

Kamikaze189 wrote

This answer doesn't address natural disasters (called "Acts of God" by insurance companies, for some reason), so how do you explain those? Too many gays in N'orleans?

I heard it was becauseof teh gays. If we both heard that it's got to be true. Makes you wonder what will happen when San francisco gets "the big one"

[Mog]

happywarrior wrote

Of course not, that wasn't the question. Natural disasters etc. has to do with the existance of another creature that is often dismissed as nonexistant. I'm still wrestiling with why God created creatures that would turn against Him. There must be an overwhelming possitive to the observable negative. It is indeed a very difficult area to get absolute answers to. frankly if I were god I wouldn't put up with so much crap, I think I'd just wipe the whole mess out of existance.

God is playing Xanatos Roulette with the human race? Anyway, I think I'm glad you're not God. Wiping the whole mess out of existence?

The existence of another non-existent creature? Mother Nature? Gaea? Satan? Thats one of the problems with the JudeoChristian religion. When you define a supernatural entity in certain ways, you can't use him to explain everything, so you add more supernatural entities. Eventually, you'll have not monotheism, but an odd form of polytheism.

Copy That Mog

[Mog]

happywarrior wrote

Copy That Mog

Well, I added the last paragraph while you typed that reply so I presume you only mean the first paragraph.

Kamikaze189 wrote

This answer doesn't address natural disasters (called "Acts of God" by insurance companies, for some reason), so how do you explain those? Too many gays in N'orleans?

You have only witnessed the beginning of natural disasters. We are in the beginning of sorrows.

[Choobus]

do you find that eating shit all the time means that your only real source of nutrition comes from the odd bit of ass corn? Is that why you are in the beginning of sorrows, because you have rickets because you don't get enough asscorn?