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Old 08-08-2008, 05:54 AM   #1441
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If so, please submit yourself to the nearest fMRI for further study, and you may be able to "prove" the existence of free will.
I'm afraid the ruler of free will does not permit this. And hello stranger!

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Old 08-08-2008, 06:31 AM   #1442
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1. God has a morally sufficient reason for allowing evil (Christian premise).
2. (1) entails that something greater is achieved by allowing evil to be actualised than what exists in a reality from which evil is procluded.
3. God is the greatest possible being (Christian premise).
4. God is incapable of evil (even if by choice (Christian premise)).
5. From (4): The emergence of evil is procluded in a reality with only God in it.
6. From (3) and (5): A reality with only God in it is a reality in which evil can never occur and the greatest possible reality (is perfect).
7. A perfect state cannot be improved upon by definition.
8. From (6) and (7): Anything achieved by creating and actualising evil could not be greater than a reality with only God in it and in which evil is impossible.
9. From (6): It is impossible for God to achieve (2) because he cannot produce something greater than himself.
10. (1) is therefore false.
I like that very much. I wonder what the Christian refutation of it is?

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Old 08-08-2008, 07:22 AM   #1443
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Old 08-08-2008, 09:05 AM   #1444
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Response to comment: "Why should I believe in God?"
Any man can see the greatness of God in creation (e.g. external testimony) and each man has a conscience (e.g. internal testimony). We choose to accept or reject God, then we die.
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Old 08-08-2008, 09:29 AM   #1445
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We choose to accept or reject God, then we die.
Ooh, ooh! I remember that line


So "The Great Eye" is God then! It's certainly more beleivable than "God is Love."

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Old 08-08-2008, 09:37 AM   #1446
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PC, where is serpentdove's post? Why did you delete it?

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Old 08-08-2008, 10:23 AM   #1447
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Old 08-08-2008, 10:31 AM   #1448
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He was responding to things people had said as intellegently as any theist here. Shirley you aren't complaining about the self promotion that was in his sig file?!?

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Old 08-08-2008, 10:34 AM   #1449
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Next time you think it's "spam" why not leave it? Why cleanse the evidence?

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Old 08-08-2008, 10:41 AM   #1450
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Next time you think it's "spam" why not leave it? Why cleanse the evidence?
He/she/it has posted 4 or 5 links to his/her/its shitty website.
It's blatant spam - it gets deleted - as does serpent-twat.

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Old 08-08-2008, 10:43 AM   #1451
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Just out of curiousity PC, how often do you ban a new theist and scrub all traces from them from the forum when you think no one is looking...when you think it's just the two of you?

Un. Fucking. Beleivable.

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Old 08-08-2008, 10:44 AM   #1452
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He/she/it has posted 4 or 5 links to his/her/its shitty website.
It's blatant spam - it gets deleted - as does serpent-twat.
That is fucking bullshit Smelly. That person was responding to quotes by posters. Are you suggesting that their promotion of their "shitty little website" is a problem here? What constitutes a shitty little website?

That was not a bot. That was a person. Don't you DARE cover for shithead. He fucked up. I SAW it.

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Old 08-08-2008, 10:55 AM   #1453
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That is fucking bullshit Smelly. That person was responding to quotes by posters. Are you suggesting that their promotion of their "shitty little website" is a problem here? What constitutes a shitty little website?

That was not a bot. That was a person. Don't you DARE cover for shithead. He fucked up. I SAW it.
Bollox.
So you'd be perfectly happy to have us leave on display dozens of posts with 'promotional' links to the poster's own webshites?
You probably don't see half of the crap we have to get rid of.
Squeal all you like - we judge as best we can - and we may fuck up from time to time, but not much.
If you don't like it - I can post you a picture of a door.

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Old 08-08-2008, 10:57 AM   #1454
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I didn't see what caused the banning and cleanup, and I generally don't agree with it either, especially if the person is actually engaging people, instead of purely spamming.

But, why are you making this a personal thing? Voice your concerns, but don't make it a pissing contest.

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Old 08-08-2008, 11:02 AM   #1455
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I didn't see what caused the banning and cleanup, and I generally don't agree with it either, especially if the person is actually engaging people, instead of purely spamming.

But, why are you making this a personal thing? Voice your concerns, but don't make it a pissing contest.
It's personal because Smelly is either lieing or being sold a sack of shit.

The poster was responding to things said here with the usual bible quotes and religious assertions. Serpentdove did have a website linked at the foot of his posts, but so do many here.

He was not quoting camera prices or products as is being suggested. The fact that the posts were quickly deleted rather than left for your own examination should tell you all you need to know.

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