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02-22-2008, 06:32 PM
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He who walks among the theists
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So, I'm sensing that you're not a big fan of Libertarians, Phil.
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one."
George Bernard Shaw
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02-22-2008, 10:16 PM
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PhilOchsLives wrote
I find that Libertarians are almost wholly right wing fuckwads who wish only to enable corporations, screw the environment, deny civil rights (to everyone but themselves and their white buddies), have sex with their guns, and engage in the most self-centered politics imaginable. That ranks them with old-style brownshirts. If fact, most Libertarians I've met would have fit right in with 30s-era right wing extremists.
As for "positive change", only a fucking dumbass Libertarian would think for one fucking second that anything proposed by a witless Libertarian would be "positive".
Libertarians are pretty much a religion unto themselves. Fuck religion and fuck Libertarianism.
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That's what I thought. You're the ignorant one, and your hatred is misguided. You hate people just because they hold a different opinion than you. You've created a negative stereotype for people you don't understand. What's next? Are you going to declare a jihad against libertarians?
I'm still laughing at your comment about libertarians denying people their civil rights. Educate yourself, and stop spewing your ignorant, misdirected hatred.
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02-23-2008, 12:06 AM
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PhilOchsLives wrote
I find that Libertarians are almost wholly right wing fuckwads who wish only to enable corporations, screw the environment, deny civil rights (to everyone but themselves and their white buddies), have sex with their guns, and engage in the most self-centered politics imaginable. That ranks them with old-style brownshirts. If fact, most Libertarians I've met would have fit right in with 30s-era right wing extremists.
As for "positive change", only a fucking dumbass Libertarian would think for one fucking second that anything proposed by a witless Libertarian would be "positive".
Libertarians are pretty much a religion unto themselves. Fuck religion and fuck Libertarianism.
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It's Socialism that is the religion, libertarians are for freedom, socialists are for tyranny.
I don't agree with Libertarians on several issues, but I respect where they are coming from.
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02-23-2008, 06:18 AM
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He who walks among the theists
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It's Socialism that is the religion, libertarians are for freedom, socialists are for tyranny.
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I love when people buy into stereotypes, hook, line and sinker. Good job, Phil and gop atheist.
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one."
George Bernard Shaw
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02-23-2008, 09:04 AM
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In Libertarianism, Man exploits man. In Socialism, it's the other way around.
Wait just a minute-You expect me to believe-That all this misbehaving-Grew from one enchanted tree? And helpless to fight it-We should all be satisfied-With this magical explanation-For why the living die-And why it's hard to be a decent human being - David Bazan
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02-23-2008, 09:38 AM
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gop atheist wrote
It's Socialism that is the religion, libertarians are for freedom, socialists are for tyranny.
I don't agree with Libertarians on several issues, but I respect where they are coming from.
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Amazing
Where on earth do you get your ideas about socialism from? I realise it's an alien concept in USA but religion tyranny gimmie a break.
Is the Libertarian party not the last refuge of the weirdest nutters from each & every other extreme?
That's not an opinion BTW.
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02-23-2008, 10:32 AM
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Pardon my ignorance, but aren't labels like conservative, liberal and libertarian entirely subjective to the point of being meaningless?
"So many gods, so many creeds! So many paths that wind and wind, when just the art of being kind is all this sad world needs."
--Ella Wheeler Wilcox
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02-23-2008, 11:06 AM
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Pardon my ignorance, but aren't labels like conservative, liberal and libertarian entirely subjective to the point of being meaningless?
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They are generalisations, but without labels we might eat dog food.
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02-23-2008, 01:06 PM
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StillSurviving wrote
I'm still laughing at your comment about libertarians denying people their civil rights. Educate yourself, and stop spewing your ignorant, misdirected hatred.
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Buh... buh... but RON PAUL!!?!?!?!
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/...l.newsletters/
Even if he didn't write that stuff his nutty libertarian supporters did.
"Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence." -Richard Dawkins
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02-23-2008, 02:33 PM
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dogpet wrote
Amazing
Where on earth do you get your ideas about socialism from? I realise it's an alien concept in USA but religion tyranny gimmie a break.
Is the Libertarian party not the last refuge of the weirdest nutters from each & every other extreme?
That's not an opinion BTW.
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So socialism is against the government nationalizing parts of the private sector?
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02-23-2008, 02:38 PM
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So socialism is against the government nationalizing parts of the private sector?
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You say that as though there is something wrong with public ownership.
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02-23-2008, 03:39 PM
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You say that as though there is something wrong with public ownership.
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Yes, when socialist public ownership excludes the public from ownership. An example result is committee decreed, "one shape fits all" uniform gray underwear.
"Those who most loudly proclaim their honesty are least likely to possess it."
"Atheism: rejecting all absurdity." S.H.
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02-24-2008, 04:47 AM
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Yes, when socialist public ownership excludes the public from ownership. An example result is committee decreed, "one shape fits all" uniform gray underwear.
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That's an old fashioned viewpoint.
To get back on topic. If I were voting in USA I don't think I would feel good about voting for anyone who pledges allegiance to a higher authority while pimping themselves for the job of emperor. With the choice of two retards do you vote for the least retarded, or encourage the biggest one to get even more ridiculous in the hope that more see it for what it is.
I think I'd vote democrat in the absence of any sensible alternative & pester them to stop pretending to be cristards.
Oh! & it's grey
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02-24-2008, 05:07 AM
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dogpet wrote
That's an old fashioned viewpoint.
To get back on topic. If I were voting in USA I don't think I would feel good about voting for anyone who pledges allegiance to a higher authority while pimping themselves for the job of emperor. With the choice of two retards do you vote for the least retarded, or encourage the biggest one to get even more ridiculous in the hope that more see it for what it is.
I think I'd vote democrat in the absence of any sensible alternative & pester them to stop pretending to be cristards.
Oh! & it's grey
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Sad, ain't it? But then, judging who is most retarded is challenging enough for a lot of people. I'd like to think that the candidates are as cynical as any xtian "leader". They are politicians, after all, and must know that the real reason for religion is to keep the common folks in line. Getting them to admit non-belief in public, though, would cause outrage among those same unwashed. Pols know they'd never get back into a public office with that admission.
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02-24-2008, 05:22 AM
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Rat Bastard wrote
I'd like to think that the candidates are as cynical as any xtian "leader". They are politicians, after all, and must know that the real reason for religion is to keep the common folks in line.
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Is this seriously a political consideration in 21st century USA?
What do they think would happen without it?
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