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Old 03-06-2019, 11:35 AM   #1
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Rational argument for Higher Power

Hi I'm an atheist, however I did find this interesting argument which supports the reasoned possibility of existence of a higher power.

I found it on a theist website, just for fun - can you guess which premise the theists rejected!

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God herein defined as an intelligent, maximally perfected being.

A.
Something has always existed. a.
Potential for Change has always existed. b.
There is no evidence or reason to suggest that Change is not and has not been, substantially continuous. c.
Therefore one can deduce
There are (and has been) an infinite number of Change events.

B.
Evolution exists as a consequence of Change events. d.
A rare portion of Evolution is progressive (i.e. gives rise to higher, more intelligent life forms, with greater survivorship potential)
There is no reason to suggest that evolution is necessarily restricted to the history of Earth. e
Therefore one can deduce
Given an infinite number of Change events a maximized realization of progressive Evolution has occurred.

An intelligent, maximized progressively evolved being has therefore existed, and may (especially in view of enhanced survivor-ship) still exist.

An intelligent, maximally perfected being is God

Support:

a. Philosophically, the sum total of all existence could never have at any time been Nothing, as Nothing has no potential to produce anything or change into anything. Since we exist now, Something must have always existed. This statement also follows in physics from the Law of Conservation of Energy.

b. Philosophically, the sum total of all existence must have always had potential for change or else Existence would have (without potential for change) been forever "stuck" in one state. This is not the case now, hence potential for change has always existed.

c. By observation our present existence that matter and energy is in a continuous state of change. There is no evidence that this is ever not the case. There is no proposed mechanism where an all encompassing frozen state of all Existence could even be possible.

d. See Darwin. The theory of Evolution has almost universal acceptance as a governing Law of science.

e. Principle of modesty. It would be remarkable that our species (having undergone evolution) are unique amidst the cosmos.
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Old 03-06-2019, 01:47 PM   #2
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Oh Dear. I didn't realise Andrew66 had got round to publishing his memoirs.

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Old 03-07-2019, 03:39 AM   #3
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Old 03-07-2019, 08:18 AM   #4
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Oh Dear. I didn't realise Andrew66 had got round to publishing his memoirs.
From what I recall of that fuckin' perv, android66, he was far too much of a moron to have written anything rational, let alone the (rational???!!!) argument for a higher power.

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Old 03-12-2019, 10:30 AM   #5
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Hey guys, can anyone guess which premise the Christians rejected??
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Old 03-13-2019, 01:18 AM   #6
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Given that not one sect of christianity agrees with another, probably all of them.

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Go on then, I'll fall for it and say Darwin's Theory of Evolution.

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Hey guys, can anyone guess which premise the Christians rejected??
LOL
You could link to where you found this - then we could laugh at the original ....

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Old 03-13-2019, 07:00 PM   #9
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Go on then, I'll fall for it and say Darwin's Theory of Evolution.
Yes Yes!!! Well done!!

The winner is Hertzvanrental!!
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Old 03-13-2019, 07:09 PM   #10
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The Christians point to far fetched mathematical probabilistic concepts that given the age of our universe, and amount of matter, etc. etc. - that there just wasn't enough time to theorize that spontaneity of dna formation to cells to higher order life could have plausibly occurred.

They are like Sarah Palin - they belief without real evidence that life simply could not have formed naturally and needs a creator.

I've never seen these "mathematical probabilistic" studies - probably published by some deluded hack - perhaps ?Hugh Ross.
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You could link to where you found this - then we could laugh at the original ....
Sure - http://theologyonline.com/showthread...tence-of-a-God

Can't argue with a Christian who doesn't even accept that Evolution even exists. I'd laugh, but it sort of makes me sick
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Haaa - just as we thought!
Our old pervert chum Andrew, churning out his hopeful happy horseshit to shove his flavour of 'god' into his fucked-up reality.
You'll find this shit in numerous splatterings on this forum - if you care to search, or have no gag reflex and can swallow his shit!

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Fuck-a-doodle-doo. I really must register for a Theology On Line account to see how long it takes the christards to ban me.

I'll join later today when I have more time. Meanwhile, popcorn anyone?

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Haaa - just as we thought!
Our old pervert chum Andrew, churning out his hopeful happy horseshit to shove his flavour of 'god' into his fucked-up reality.
You'll find this shit in numerous splatterings on this forum - if you care to search, or have no gag reflex and can swallow his shit!
It must be off-season for watermelons in Alabama. It gives him lots of time for forums and gloryholes.

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Fuck-a-doodle-doo. I really must register for a Theology On Line account to see how long it takes the christards to ban me.

I'll join later today when I have more time. Meanwhile, popcorn anyone?
Well, I've just registered and written my first post asking saint android (AKA andrew666, AKA android666, just how dumb he is (on a scale of 1 - 10).

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