10-23-2008, 09:28 AM
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#166
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He who walks among the theists
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thomastwo wrote
I find it hard to put myself in that hypothetical position, but what I do know is that it's wrong to argue that physically disabled people need to be healed in order to be whole.
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Who made that argument? Strawman, anyone?
It's a pretty straightforward question, but let me give you a hypothetical:
You have an accident, and your leg is severed below the knee. The surgeon asks you whether you want it reattached (in this case, let's assume it is medically possible).
Do you accuse the surgeon of being biased against amputees?
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one."
George Bernard Shaw
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10-23-2008, 09:29 AM
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#167
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I Live Here
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Isn't the internet pretty much made of straw?
Never give a zombie girl a piggy back ride.
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10-23-2008, 09:31 AM
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#168
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Obsessed Member
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Quote:
ubs wrote
If God already knows the future, what is the value of asking her for anything?
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Because it aligns us with God's will
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10-23-2008, 09:32 AM
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#169
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You couldn't say "her." Ha ha.
Never give a zombie girl a piggy back ride.
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10-23-2008, 09:35 AM
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#170
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Quote:
ubs wrote
You couldn't say "her." Ha ha.
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There was no need in the sentence construction I used. I rarely call God either male or female.
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10-23-2008, 09:44 AM
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#171
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thomastwo wrote
Even if their limbs are not restored by magic, why would that make any sort of point unless you had some expectation that ought to happen ? It's outrageous.
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I think you're viewing the question posed in this thread out of context, thomastwo. The point is not to make fun of amputees. Atheists are not immune to losing digits and limbs any more than anyone else.
No, the question was posed in light of claims by some theists that God, through prayer, has healed those with other infirmities, such as cancer or arthritis. By the nature of those infirmities, claims of a magic cure can never be proved or disproved. However, one thing we can all agree on is that no god has ever magically regenerated a severed human limb or digit, no matter how much prayer was involved. Why?
It's a perfectly legitimate question, I think.
"So many gods, so many creeds! So many paths that wind and wind, when just the art of being kind is all this sad world needs."
--Ella Wheeler Wilcox
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10-23-2008, 09:53 AM
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#172
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Super Moderator
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a person missing a part, is obviously not whole, t2...
or you mean metaphorically whole? in such case, that is not problem limited to amputees...
One of the most irrational of all the conventions of modern society is the one to the effect that religious opinions should be respected....That they should have this immunity is an outrage. There is nothing in religious ideas, as a class, to lift them above other ideas. On the contrary, they are always dubious and often quite silly.
H. L. Mencken
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10-23-2008, 10:03 AM
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#173
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Stinkin' Mod
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I think god should heal the circumcised.
Stop the Holy See men!
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10-23-2008, 10:07 AM
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#174
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Good point, Eva.
thomastwo, please don't take offense at this, but are you aware that theists here (and elsewhere) often obfuscate when they can't seem to directly answer a question that is posed to them? You're doing that now.
This is a pretty straightforward question, albeit, one with no easy answer from the theist perspective. Is it possible, ever, for a Christian to just say: "Hey, I don't know (why God doesn't heal amputees)," instead of villifying those who ask the question?
"So many gods, so many creeds! So many paths that wind and wind, when just the art of being kind is all this sad world needs."
--Ella Wheeler Wilcox
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10-23-2008, 10:14 AM
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#175
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Organ Donator
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Quote:
Smellyoldgit wrote
I think god should heal the circumcised.
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She should kiss it to make it better.
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10-23-2008, 10:24 AM
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#176
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Super Moderator
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thing is, xtains only pray for things that can get, medically speaking although rarely, fixed on their own.
regrowing a limb is not one of those. but since a tri-omni god of the christian kind could, in theory, do anything, why won't he do it if miracles still happen?
does the bible ever tell of a person asking god, and getting, a regrown limb? why is it unreasonable to think a god could do this?
(because it is the christians the ones that say that amputees can't get limbs regrown by god....it is atheists the ones that say "why not?")
this is yet another reason why gods don't/can't exist. at least to me.
One of the most irrational of all the conventions of modern society is the one to the effect that religious opinions should be respected....That they should have this immunity is an outrage. There is nothing in religious ideas, as a class, to lift them above other ideas. On the contrary, they are always dubious and often quite silly.
H. L. Mencken
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10-23-2008, 10:31 AM
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#177
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Organ Donator
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Why didn't Mister Perfect design his monkeys to regrow limbs (and whangs) in the first place? He did it for lizards. Maybe He is a Lizard God.
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10-23-2008, 10:35 AM
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#178
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You may be on to something there. Male iguanas get two penises.
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10-23-2008, 10:38 AM
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#179
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Of course, I agree with you, Eva, because what you say makes sense to me.
However, this kind of engagement is clearly antagonistic to the vast majority of theists who haunt this forum. From my own past experience here, theists view these questions as an extreme form of irreverence and totally irrelevant or not worthy of being asked.
It makes me wonder why they bother coming here at all. And don't get me wrong, my theist friends, you're as welcome here as I, but why are you expecting us to play by your rules and here, of all places?
Again, this is why I have become more and more convinced of the futility of these engagements. There can be no real meeting of the minds on these topics between those who believe in magic on faith and those who demand hard evidence that it exists first.
"So many gods, so many creeds! So many paths that wind and wind, when just the art of being kind is all this sad world needs."
--Ella Wheeler Wilcox
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10-23-2008, 03:00 PM
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#180
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Funny thing is, I've made up a reptillian character for a fictional story I've been writing. He can regenerate lost body parts. How long it takes depends on the size of a body part. (One finger- about a day. The whole arm, about a week.) He doesn't feel any more pain than someone waiting for a bone to knit. Aches a little, that's all. Nothing painkillers can't fix.
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