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Old 11-02-2015, 02:09 PM   #1486
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Would you rather vacation at a Presbyterian Retreat, or an ISIS encampment?
Depends where the Presbytarian retreat is. If you're trying to compare a middle-eastern situation with western churches, then you are missing the subtlties I mentioned.

I think a more fair question would be whether I wanted to spend time at an ISIS encampment or or with the Lord's Resistance Army in Uganda.

Though if those are my only two options, then I would need to seriously reconsider the direction my life had gone.

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Old 11-03-2015, 02:20 AM   #1487
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Maher and Harris' typical presentation...


A bunch of poll results...

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Old 11-03-2015, 11:58 AM   #1488
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C'mon Shirley, Dawkins defence of Harris saying that he's never heard of Affleck, until he became Bat man is genius.

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Old 11-03-2015, 09:54 PM   #1489
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Really?

Why did you not present any non religious groups in your cherry plucked example?
Awright then, would you rather vacation at the Happy Valley Nudist Camp, or an Isis encampment?


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Old 11-03-2015, 10:10 PM   #1490
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C'mon Shirley someone wants to produce something resembling a fact to condemn Islam and show Harris isn't talking out his arse again.
Today's news reported the stoning death of an Afghan girl for the crime of eloping.

Do the Christians and Jews still engage in such stone age barbarism?
Can't find your own examples? Never read the Koran? Live in a cave without cable TV?
Support death for Apostasy? Ever considered moving to one of the Islamic paradises such as Saudi Arabia, or Iran or Pakistan?


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Old 11-04-2015, 03:26 PM   #1491
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Today's news reported the stoning death of an Afghan girl for the crime of eloping.

Do the Christians and Jews still engage in such stone age barbarism?
Can't find your own examples? Never read the Koran? Live in a cave without cable TV?
Support death for Apostasy? Ever considered moving to one of the Islamic paradises such as Saudi Arabia, or Iran or Pakistan?

You sound like Bill O"Reilly.

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Old 11-05-2015, 08:10 AM   #1492
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You sound like Bill O"Reilly.
AHAHAHA! Typical FUNDY tactic - when devoid of as much as a single fact to offer in rebuttal, they turn to the ad hominem attack!
Pathetic.

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Old 11-05-2015, 11:11 AM   #1493
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You sound like Bill O"Reilly.

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2015.11.04 (al-Arish, Egypt) - A suicide bomber plows into a police club, killing at least three others.
2015.11.03 (Tank, Afghanistan) - A journalist and father of five is shot to death by Sunni fundamentalists.
2015.11.02 (Badush, Iraq) - Three female doctors are put against a wall and shot in the head by the Islamic State.
2015.11.01 (Mogadishu, Somalia) - a dozen people at a hotel are massacred by suicide bombers, followed by gunfire.
2015.10.31 (Mosul, Iraq) - A dozen teenagers forced into a terror training camp are executed for attempting to flee.
2015.10.31 (Achin, Afghanistan) - Islamists fire rockets into a rival mosque, killing six worshippers.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

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Old 11-05-2015, 12:14 PM   #1494
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Fox have changed their website. Don't be a lemming.

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Old 11-05-2015, 01:33 PM   #1495
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We are all Bangladeshi bloggers.

thank goodness he's on our side
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Old 11-05-2015, 05:03 PM   #1496
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Soooo about that 20%.....

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Old 11-06-2015, 05:40 PM   #1497
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AHAHAHA! Typical FUNDY tactic - when devoid of as much as a single fact to offer in rebuttal, they turn to the ad hominem attack!
Pathetic.
So when a fundie is under attack they resort to accusing others of being a fundie? Fascinating.

How would one rebut something which is devoid of facts?

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Old 11-06-2015, 06:02 PM   #1498
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To pretend that there is religious war is disingenuous, it's a culture war.

The west has repeatedly imposed on the middle east, created Israel, bombed, killed people of the middle east. You get a few nut cases who retaliate and it's "Islam is dangerous".

People will use whatever justification they want to and think whatever they want.
Take Islam away, and people from the middle east would be doing the same thing a they are doing now. I don't like what the nutcases do anymore than most here, however, Islam is not the cause. Pick your targets and get your head of the sanctimonious sand.

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Old 11-06-2015, 09:15 PM   #1499
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To pretend that there is religious war is disingenuous, it's a culture war.

The west has repeatedly imposed on the middle east, created Israel, bombed, killed people of the middle east. You get a few nut cases who retaliate and it's "Islam is dangerous".

People will use whatever justification they want to and think whatever they want.
Take Islam away, and people from the middle east would be doing the same thing a they are doing now. I don't like what the nutcases do anymore than most here, however, Islam is not the cause. Pick your targets and get your head of the sanctimonious sand.
This is like when people say the 9/11 attacks were because the muslims "hated america's freedom" (no, seriously, I've seen this argument), instead of as retalliation for several perceived sleights in the middle-eastern region, including (but not limited to) american support for isreal, sanctions against iraq, and military prsence in saudi arabia, plus a (percieved) desire to provoke United States.

Michael...you are correct
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Old 11-06-2015, 09:23 PM   #1500
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To pretend that there is religious war is disingenuous, it's a culture war.

The west has repeatedly imposed on the middle east, created Israel, bombed, killed people of the middle east. You get a few nut cases who retaliate and it's "Islam is dangerous".

People will use whatever justification they want to and think whatever they want.
Take Islam away, and people from the middle east would be doing the same thing a they are doing now. I don't like what the nutcases do anymore than most here, however, Islam is not the cause. Pick your targets and get your head of the sanctimonious sand.
Hmm. I will agree with your first sentence, as long as you will admit that the culture is such that the religion is used as a justification for all the crazy acting out. I am not convinced that taking Islam away would make it better, since the history of the area has been wholesale homicide for MANY millenia before Islam.

In my personal estimation, the west should have kept their dicks out of the middle east after WW1, and let them all kill each other to their heart's content. The sticking (sliding?) point is oil. The ME has all the light sweet crude. Once it runs out, and that time is now short, the world will rely on other supplies, which are not in the ME. That is why many countries there are gearing up for tourism, like the ski tourist trap in the UAE. People with money will travel there for the original experience, and drop their money like stupid travel-monkeys. They should be thinking about what they are supporting, and shine that shit on. I go to the hardware store for nails and screws, and see that they are made in the ME. Now tell me why I should support an organization that supports the overthrow of the US and its allies? It is bad enough that we are buying their oil and its by-products just to end up supporting our own demise.

Edit to add- Since this is the "Jerry Thread", FUCK JERRY IN THE ASS WITH A RED HOT TIRE IRON.
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