One candidate's statement on the pledge

I am surprised and offended by the decision of the Appeals Court of the 9th Circuit and hope that it will be promptly appealed and overturned. I believe that the Court has misinterpreted the intent of the framers of the Constitution and has sought to undermine one of the bedrock values of our democracy -- that we are indeed "one nation under God," as embodied in the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.

While our men and women in uniform are battling overseas and defending us here at home to preserve the freedom that we all cherish for our country and its citizens, we should never forget the blessings of Divine Providence that undergird our nation. That includes the freedom to recite the pledge of allegiance in our nation's schools. I can only imagine how they will feel about this decision as they risk their lives for our values.

And the children of America, who share a bond with each other and with our nation by reciting the pledge each day -- what effect will a decision like this have on them? It will cause them to wonder about the ways in which our beliefs can be stretched, our heritage can be assaulted. It is the wrong decision, and it is an unfair decision -- especially unfair to those who defend our nation, and to the young people who will inherit our nation's future.

Ours is a nation founded by people of faith. People of faith have helped lead some of the most significant movements of social justice throughout our history -- to end slavery, to win civil rights for all Americans. No one is required to have faith, and our government does not impose faith on its citizens. But ours is the most faith-filled nation on Earth, and there is no moral or Constitutional argument why our pledge of allegiance cannot acknowledge our commonly held belief that ours is one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

I am honored to support S. 292, the Pledge of Allegiance resolution, and I hope that the rule of law will be upheld by an ultimate rejection of this wrongheaded decision of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.





Who said this-

Statement Of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton On The Pledge Of Allegiance
June 28, 2002

http://www.senate.gov/~clinton/news/....cfm?id=235197

[ubs]

Welcome gop. You realize of course that Hilary was a Republican before she married Bill and in my opinion continues to be one.

[Sternwallow]

I am appalled that this candidate, and, in fact all of the serious candidates for president, boast of bearing allegiance to a foreign Mid-Eastern power over that of the United States of America!

I will vote, as is my civic responsibility, against every person who trumpets their deep "faith" as though it was a valid substitute for thought based on facts.

"Personal faith" should be as damning an admission as former drug use, which it resembles to an astonishing degree.

[ghoulslime]

Wow! Hillary is a self-serving whore who sells her allegiance to the highest bidder! Ground-shaking revelation! I’m glad you enlightened us. Now we can all vote for Republicans! Wouldn’t we rather have Republicans undermining our rights as citizens instead of Democrats?

Who should we vote for? I’m a Libertarian. Read the Libertarian platform. That’s what I believe in.

Should I vote for McCain? He thinks it’s a good idea to continue the war in Iraq.

Hillary? The cunt has already demonstrated that she will sell her power to the top bidder.

Obama? He says most of the right things, but most likely won’t be able to make the tire meet the road.

Vote for an independent? It’s like giving a vote to the Republicans.

I fucking give up.

Why can’t George Carlin run for president?

[DrunkMonkey]

ghoulslime wrote

Obama? He says most of the right things, but most likely won’t be able to make the tire meet the road.

I am curious as to what this means. Do you think he won't be elected, or that he won't get any of his policies put in place (why would he be less able than any other candidate) or what?

[ghoulslime]

DrunkMonkey wrote

I am curious as to what this means. Do you think he won't be elected, or that he won't get any of his policies put in place (why would he be less able than any other candidate) or what?

Allow me to elaborate.

Firstly, being an idealist is hardly an asset in a snake pit like Washington DC. Obama seems like a nice guy, and certainly says most of the right things about the direction the US needs to go. However, a conniving and manipulating cunt like Hillary has a better chance of actually affecting pragmatic change among the power brokers behind the US government. I fear that Mr. Obama, while completely sincere in his intentions, would only spin his wheels in the muddy cesspool of US political reality.

Secondly, if you haven’t noticed it, the US government official spin masters have their lie machine in overdrive at the moment, attempting to disguise the full-blow recession which we have been in for a long time. They are barely keeping the lid on that boiling pot. Are you old enough to recall a president by the name of Jimmy Carter? He was this guy who inherited a recession. It didn’t go well for Mr. Carter. It is my fear that the next president will be Mr. Scapegoat, regardless of who wins the position.

Our lovely friend Mr. Bush has steered the good ship Amerika onto the rocks at full steam. The hull is cracked open, the water is pouring in, the ship is sinking, and the captain and his crew are all telling lies to the passengers as the water rises. The next captain to take the helm is going to have a lot of bailing to do.

[Gnosital]

ghoulslime wrote

Allow me to elaborate.

Firstly, being an idealist is hardly an asset in a snake pit like Washington DC. Obama seems like a nice guy, and certainly says most of the right things about the direction the US needs to go. However, a conniving and manipulating cunt like Hillary has a better chance of actually affecting pragmatic change among the power brokers behind the US government. I fear that Mr. Obama, while completely sincere in his intentions, would only spin his wheels in the muddy cesspool of US political reality.

Secondly, if you haven’t noticed it, the US government official spin masters have their lie machine in overdrive at the moment, attempting to disguise the full-blow recession which we have been in for a long time. They are barely keeping the lid on that boiling pot. Are you old enough to recall a president by the name of Jimmy Carter? He was this guy who inherited a recession. It didn’t go well for Mr. Carter. It is my fear that the next president will be Mr. Scapegoat, regardless of who wins the position.

Our lovely friend Mr. Bush has steered the good ship Amerika onto the rocks at full steam. The hull is cracked open, the water is pouring in, the ship is sinking, and the captain and his crew are all telling lies to the passengers as the water rises. The next captain to take the helm is going to have a lot of bailing to do.

I've been saying this since monkey boy got re-instated. I guess I'm pretty cynical too.

Ghoulslime, are you a crazy libertarian like Penn Jillette or a slightly saner one (for example, are you gainst cun control?)?


The only options in my opinion (for every election), is the following: Either vote for the least crazy politrickster, or vote for someone independent. NEVER EVER skip voting. That's like giving your vote to the leading party.

skribb wrote

Ghoulslime, are you a crazy libertarian like Penn Jillette or a slightly saner one (for example, are you gainst cun control?)?


The only options in my opinion (for every election), is the following: Either vote for the least crazy politrickster, or vote for someone independent. NEVER EVER skip voting. That's like giving your vote to the leading party.

I think we could use more libertarians in the government, even though I'm more conservative than libertarian.

[ghoulslime]

skribb wrote

Ghoulslime, are you a crazy libertarian like Penn Jillette or a slightly saner one (for example, are you gainst cun control?)?


The only options in my opinion (for every election), is the following: Either vote for the least crazy politrickster, or vote for someone independent. NEVER EVER skip voting. That's like giving your vote to the leading party.

Penn Jillette rocks, man! His Bullshit is some seriously fine, in your face, entertainment.

I’m not a crazed survivalist with a secret stash of AK47 ammo and c-rations in the mountains, if that is what you mean.

I am for a minimalist Federal government. I think that the majority of human laws range from being short-sighted band aids to works of insanity.

The “War on Drugs” is actually a war against innocent people. People’s lives are ruined. Innocent people are terrorized and brutalized, families destroyed, resources squandered, all to make sure that nobody uses anything which is bad for their health? Nope! So those with power can make a tidy profit from battling the make believe bad people and putting them in a very lucrative prison system which is all funded by the sheep who are too stupid to see that they are the daily meal of predatory powers!

The war against terrorists is bullshit. American / Zionist thugs made the terrorists so that they could have an enemy to fight. And the profits roll in! Support our troops! I do! Get them the fuck out of the meat grinder!

When Mr. Bush and his criminal organization speak of “freedom” it smacks of the same irony that Mao’s Liberation Army did. The shadow rulers of the US military industrial complex are as evil as any thugs who ever cursed the world with their existence.

The power mongers want war. The power mongers want an exploitive economic system. The power mongers want the power. The fewer liberties we the sheeple have, the happier the predacious bankers, concentration camp rulers, and aristocrats are.

I refuse to knuckle under. I will not be silent as I am shamelessly exploited, and while others suffer under the yoke of stifling and often brutal tyranny.

The Libertarian Party is the closest we have to an organized resistance. I choose the pen as my weapon of choice.

I have this odd belief that education is the key to making a better world. I realize this goes against the current in America where most people believe that every dollar wasted on education is another dollar we could have spent to kill somebody in a dirt hut. But I am defiant to the end.

[Sternwallow]

skribb wrote

Ghoulslime, are you a crazy libertarian like Penn Jillette or a slightly saner one (for example, are you gainst cun control?)?

This is a bit ambiguous. Did you mean "cun" as "gun", "cunt", "cum" or "ecunomics"?

In case you meant gun control, I am for it. Gun possession and ownership should be mandatory for all voting age citizens. "An armed citizenry is a polite citizenry." RAH And, it is immune from slavery.

The only options in my opinion (for every election), is the following: Either vote for the least crazy politrickster, or vote for someone independent. NEVER EVER skip voting. That's like giving your vote to the leading party.

I heartily agree with this despite the well-known fact that the lesser of two evils is still evil.

[Professor Chaos]

I agree with virtually everything you say here, Ghoulie. I consider myself to be a civil libertarian. I abhor any law that forbids activities that do not harm others.

However, I also have strong socialist leanings due to the constant public assrapings from corporate America. I'm for socialized medicine, utilities, transit, etc. It's a fine line, I know.

There's "Penn Jilette/legalize marijuana/get the fuck out of Iraq" libertarianism and then there's Ron Paul "let corporate America take MORE control over the government/shut down all the government agencies" batshit libertarianism.

[ghoulslime]

Professor Chaos wrote

However, I also have strong socialist leanings due to the constant public assrapings from corporate America. I'm for socialized medicine, utilities, transit, etc. It's a fine line, I know.

Me too.

where in the resolution did it say that you will have to say the words "under god" or be arrested? in fact, where does it say you must recite the pledge at all?

and, what politician is standing up saying he'll have the words removed?

[Professor Chaos]

gop atheist wrote

I am surprised and offended by the decision of the Appeals Court of the 9th Circuit and hope that it will be promptly appealed and overturned. I believe that the Court has misinterpreted the intent of the framers of the Constitution and has sought to undermine one of the bedrock values of our democracy -- that we are indeed "one nation under God," as embodied in the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.

While our men and women in uniform are battling overseas and defending us here at home to preserve the freedom that we all cherish for our country and its citizens, we should never forget the blessings of Divine Providence that undergird our nation. That includes the freedom to recite the pledge of allegiance in our nation's schools. I can only imagine how they will feel about this decision as they risk their lives for our values.

And the children of America, who share a bond with each other and with our nation by reciting the pledge each day -- what effect will a decision like this have on them? It will cause them to wonder about the ways in which our beliefs can be stretched, our heritage can be assaulted. It is the wrong decision, and it is an unfair decision -- especially unfair to those who defend our nation, and to the young people who will inherit our nation's future.

Ours is a nation founded by people of faith. People of faith have helped lead some of the most significant movements of social justice throughout our history -- to end slavery, to win civil rights for all Americans. No one is required to have faith, and our government does not impose faith on its citizens. But ours is the most faith-filled nation on Earth, and there is no moral or Constitutional argument why our pledge of allegiance cannot acknowledge our commonly held belief that ours is one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

I am honored to support S. 292, the Pledge of Allegiance resolution, and I hope that the rule of law will be upheld by an ultimate rejection of this wrongheaded decision of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.





Who said this-

Statement Of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton On The Pledge Of Allegiance
June 28, 2002

http://www.senate.gov/~clinton/news/....cfm?id=235197

What, if anything, did McCain and Romney have to say about this?