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Old 01-10-2018, 01:33 AM   #2791
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Judge, I think you would acknowledge that the allowance of "bad things to happen" is necessary to develop character.

And that's not all, without "bad things" we would not be able to appreciate good things! Without bad things we as a species would loose our need and appreciation of hero's, charity,.. and so much more.

So bad things are necessarily built in to our lives - it balances the experience allowing for appreciation of the converse, beauty. God loves us, so he wants us to feel the passion, glory, achievement and beauty of the world - which is only possible when witnessing and experiencing adversity.

Moreover, it is clear that God has created a world where "freedom" (freedom of nature and freedom of people) trumps a dictatorial mandated "good" and beneficial actions and behaviors. Have you seen the Stepford wives show? Is this the world you would really prefer.?

To what degree if at all the Lord decides to intercede, and whether prompted by prayer, is up to the Lord, but importantly in appropriate consideration of the above balance.

Perhaps the Perfect world you demand Judge exists, but its not on Earth. But maybe this world exists in heaven - where joy abounds. For your sake, as you seem to crave it, I "hope" its true!

God Bless.
Well said, Andrew. I have seen Stepford Wives and it was an eerie thought of creating a perfect wife

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Old 01-10-2018, 01:37 AM   #2792
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So you disregard all forms of so-called intercessory prayer? You believe it does not work / is pointless too?
No, I don't disregard it at all. I have noted I believe prayer is far from pointless. I simply think prayer is very subjective in terms of trying to measure it for medical studies.

Too many variables.

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Old 01-10-2018, 01:41 AM   #2793
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The Holy Spirit moved Smelly in a Coom by yah moment.

Blessing brother JJ!
Surely that must be it. Or Smelly realized how stupid he looks writing such words as cunt, and the other words he uses frequently that remind me of 15 or 16 year old boys.

Hey Andrew,

Maybe he actually wrote a post sober? That truly would be a miracle in of itself.

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Old 01-10-2018, 01:54 AM   #2794
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There is just no way that knowing you are being prayed for will lead to more Atrial fibrillation. Sometimes a researcher, despite the data, just has to cry bull shit.

The researchers synthesized the milieu of data post study, looking at near infinite possible complications, and while 99.9% of complications there were no differences they got lucky on one, AF - and not even regarding "prayer" but "being aware of being prayed for".

Trying to make sense and draw conclusions out of a study, where the control group is fundamentally compromised (as the author's admit the possibly everyone received prayer) is a waste of time and respectfully a ridiculous pursuit.

Hertz I'm glad you respect JJ! He is much nicer than me, I will try harder to win you over - in Christ!
I completely agree with you Andrew regarding the study. What a useless waste of time and energy, and the study itself could have caused stress in some patients perhaps. Just a thought.

Trying to measure prayer doesn't work well and I just hope tax money wasn't used to fund this worthless study.

Yes, Hertz has a great respect for me , but you as well. Why else would he post so often to us? He has "stepped it up a notch" and actually wrote some decent thoughts about prayer and the study which brings me hope that reading his posts is not a total waste of time.

Those posts are still sprinkled with his usual BS "Christards" but I will still read them for now.

I was ready to just quit reading them for they were so stupid and manic like.

JJ

PS, Andrew did you read the post where Hertz mentioned he was NOT here to dialogue with Christards? What the hell does he think he's been doing post after post after post to us?

If he actually thinks he is making some stupid impact making us look foolish surely he is delusional. He makes an ass out of himself with every post.

I do appreciate Judge taking the time to post, and you of course as well, my friend.

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Old 01-10-2018, 02:28 AM   #2795
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Judge,

How did you happen about this site "Raving Atheists" and what inspired you to post here? (if you don't mind a personal question. If so, just disregard.)

You have added a much needed atheist voice on this thread especially given "your line of work," your vocation as a physician and well thought out posts.

I was wondering if you ever had days that you consider that perhaps God gave you your intellect and abilities that enabled you get to medical school, residency, and whatever other "training" you have had to help alleviate suffering in the world.

JJ.
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Old 01-10-2018, 03:42 AM   #2796
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I completely agree with you Andrew regarding the study. What a useless waste of time and energy, and the study itself could have caused stress in some patients perhaps. Just a thought.

Trying to measure prayer doesn't work well and I just hope tax money wasn't used to fund this worthless study.

Yes, Hertz has a great respect for me , but you as well. Why else would he post so often to us? He has "stepped it up a notch" and actually wrote some decent thoughts about prayer and the study which brings me hope that reading his posts is not a total waste of time.

Those posts are still sprinkled with his usual BS "Christards" but I will still read them for now.

I was ready to just quit reading them for they were so stupid and manic like.

JJ

PS, Andrew did you read the post where Hertz mentioned he was NOT here to dialogue with Christards? What the hell does he think he's been doing post after post after post to us?

If he actually thinks he is making some stupid impact making us look foolish surely he is delusional. He makes an ass out of himself with every post.

I do appreciate Judge taking the time to post, and you of course as well, my friend.

JJ
Fuck me.

it looks like jerrypong and weird-shit android are falling in love.

Maybe they'll mate and have baby christards?

Oh fuck, what a thought. I need to vomit
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Old 01-10-2018, 04:13 AM   #2797
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I completely agree with you Andrew regarding the study. What a useless waste of time and energy, and the study itself could have caused stress in some patients perhaps. Just a thought.

Trying to measure prayer doesn't work well and I just hope tax money wasn't used to fund this worthless study.

Yes, Hertz has a great respect for me , but you as well. Why else would he post so often to us? He has "stepped it up a notch" and actually wrote some decent thoughts about prayer and the study which brings me hope that reading his posts is not a total waste of time.

Those posts are still sprinkled with his usual BS "Christards" but I will still read them for now.

I was ready to just quit reading them for they were so stupid and manic like.

JJ

PS, Andrew did you read the post where Hertz mentioned he was NOT here to dialogue with Christards? What the hell does he think he's been doing post after post after post to us?

If he actually thinks he is making some stupid impact making us look foolish surely he is delusional. He makes an ass out of himself with every post.

I do appreciate Judge taking the time to post, and you of course as well, my friend.

JJ
Hey jerrypong

Just remembered that weird-shit android once mentioned in one of his illiterate ravings that he had a thick dick.

I have no idea why the weird twat wanted us to know that, but there you go. That's weirdo, illiterate android for you.

Did what weird shit android say turn you on?

I bet it did jerrypong, I bet it did.

Well, we sure kept that quiet, didn't we?

Well, good luck to you both. Far be it from me to stand in the way of true lust.

Just do the fuckin' world a favour. Please don't breed.
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Old 01-10-2018, 04:21 AM   #2798
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I completely agree with you Andrew regarding the study. What a useless waste of time and energy, and the study itself could have caused stress in some patients perhaps. Just a thought.

Trying to measure prayer doesn't work well and I just hope tax money wasn't used to fund this worthless study.

Yes, Hertz has a great respect for me , but you as well. Why else would he post so often to us? He has "stepped it up a notch" and actually wrote some decent thoughts about prayer and the study which brings me hope that reading his posts is not a total waste of time.

Those posts are still sprinkled with his usual BS "Christards" but I will still read them for now.

I was ready to just quit reading them for they were so stupid and manic like.

JJ

PS, Andrew did you read the post where Hertz mentioned he was NOT here to dialogue with Christards? What the hell does he think he's been doing post after post after post to us?

If he actually thinks he is making some stupid impact making us look foolish surely he is delusional. He makes an ass out of himself with every post.

I do appreciate Judge taking the time to post, and you of course as well, my friend.

JJ
I can see that you aren't top of your comprehension class, are you?
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Old 01-10-2018, 05:05 AM   #2799
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I completely agree with you Andrew regarding the study. What a useless waste of time and energy, and the study itself could have caused stress in some patients perhaps. Just a thought.

Trying to measure prayer doesn't work well and I just hope tax money wasn't used to fund this worthless study.

Yes, Hertz has a great respect for me , but you as well. Why else would he post so often to us? He has "stepped it up a notch" and actually wrote some decent thoughts about prayer and the study which brings me hope that reading his posts is not a total waste of time.

Those posts are still sprinkled with his usual BS "Christards" but I will still read them for now.

I was ready to just quit reading them for they were so stupid and manic like.

JJ

PS, Andrew did you read the post where Hertz mentioned he was NOT here to dialogue with Christards? What the hell does he think he's been doing post after post after post to us?

If he actually thinks he is making some stupid impact making us look foolish surely he is delusional. He makes an ass out of himself with every post.

I do appreciate Judge taking the time to post, and you of course as well, my friend.

JJ
This it jerrypong?

You are now reduced to kissy-ass tactics?

... And kissing weirdo android's ass of all people?

Have you no shame?

You are a disappointment to me, jerrypong, you really are, especially as I expected better. Silly me.
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Old 01-10-2018, 06:26 AM   #2800
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android is not a supermarket trolley

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Judge, I think you would acknowledge that the allowance of "bad things to happen" is necessary to develop character.

And that's not all, without "bad things" we would not be able to appreciate good things! Without bad things we as a species would loose our need and appreciation of hero's, charity,.. and so much more.

So bad things are necessarily built in to our lives - it balances the experience allowing for appreciation of the converse, beauty. God loves us, so he wants us to feel the passion, glory, achievement and beauty of the world - which is only possible when witnessing and experiencing adversity.

Moreover, it is clear that God has created a world where "freedom" (freedom of nature and freedom of people) trumps a dictatorial mandated "good" and beneficial actions and behaviors. Have you seen the Stepford wives show? Is this the world you would really prefer.?

To what degree if at all the Lord decides to intercede, and whether prompted by prayer, is up to the Lord, but importantly in appropriate consideration of the above balance.

Perhaps the Perfect world you demand Judge exists, but its not on Earth. But maybe this world exists in heaven - where joy abounds. For your sake, as you seem to crave it, I "hope" its true!

God Bless.
Hey android, you weird twat,

I came here and began insulting jerry pong. He insulted me right back.
I began insulting you. You insulted me right back.

I continued to insult jerrypong. He stopped talking to me.
I continued to insult you. You stopped talking to me.

I continued to insult jerrypong. He started to talk to me again.
I continued to insult you. You started to talk to me again.

jerrypong pays you compliments.
You pay jerrypong compliments right back. That's so sweet

The difference between you and a supermarket trolley is that it has a mind of its own - unlike you. It also has a higher IQ than you.

I also see that jerrypong is really warming to you in spite of you being an illiterate twat. Are you going to become his bitch do you think?
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Old 01-10-2018, 07:50 AM   #2801
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I was wondering if you ever had days that you consider that perhaps God gave you your intellect and abilities that enabled you get to medical school, residency, and whatever other "training" you have had to help alleviate suffering in the world.

JJ.
Well, this only begs the question. Why did god turn you and Andy into a couple of gibbering idiots, is it his idea of some kind of cruel joke?

Once you are dead, you are nothing. Graffito, Pompeii

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Old 01-10-2018, 08:42 AM   #2802
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I thought android was the weird one, but, ....

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... remind me of 15 or 16 year old boys.
Ah, sorry, can't do that but you could ask that weirdo android to.

(And before anyone asks, I didn't change a fuckin' word of jerrypongs quote.)
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Old 01-10-2018, 09:27 AM   #2803
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No, I don't disregard it at all. I have noted I believe prayer is far from pointless. I simply think prayer is very subjective in terms of trying to measure it for medical studies.

Too many variables.

JJ
Amen JJ.

Your point is square on, and also the author's to the study admit that they could not stop the Non prayed for group from praying for themselves, or receeving prayer from third parties.

This study is weak.

I doubt there will be clinical adoption to the method of telling patients they are not being prayed for, so they get less arrhythmia post surgery!!

Judge, are you going to start this practice for your patients?
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Old 01-10-2018, 09:34 AM   #2804
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I completely agree with you Andrew regarding the study. What a useless waste of time and energy, and the study itself could have caused stress in some patients perhaps. Just a thought.

Trying to measure prayer doesn't work well and I just hope tax money wasn't used to fund this worthless study.

Yes, Hertz has a great respect for me , but you as well. Why else would he post so often to us? He has "stepped it up a notch" and actually wrote some decent thoughts about prayer and the study which brings me hope that reading his posts is not a total waste of time.

Those posts are still sprinkled with his usual BS "Christards" but I will still read them for now.

I was ready to just quit reading them for they were so stupid and manic like.

JJ

PS, Andrew did you read the post where Hertz mentioned he was NOT here to dialogue with Christards? What the hell does he think he's been doing post after post after post to us?

If he actually thinks he is making some stupid impact making us look foolish surely he is delusional. He makes an ass out of himself with every post.

I do appreciate Judge taking the time to post, and you of course as well, my friend.

JJ
Thanks JJ.

I sense your Christian love for Hertz. I believe it is taught to try to love one's enemies - it is the hardest test for a Christian.

Blessings!
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Old 01-10-2018, 09:37 AM   #2805
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You believe or you know it is taught? What a knob!

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