Fighting my Islam roots.

[DivinityofReason]

As my teenage years come to an end I think its about time I tell my theist Muslim parents that I no longer conform to their religion.
Which makes me an apostate and allows any Muslim to morally kill me, similar to Atheists which are degraded heavily in the Quran

I need a list of mistakes and contradictions from the Quran (with verse names) to help me with my case.
Maybe you guys could show me some you may have bookmarked or saved?

[nkb]

Welcome, DoR, to the forum.

Out of curiosity, where do you live? No need to get specific, just what part of the world. I ask because I'm curious how high a risk you are actually running in becoming openly apostate.

I've never checked out the Quran part of it, but the Skeptic's Annotated Bible has always been a good resource for Bible questions, so I'm guessing this is similarly well laid out.

[DivinityofReason]

I live in Britain.. my parents moved here.
My safety isn't an issue.
In fact I consider myself lucky to be a atheist born in a Islamic family, this way I can feel like I have struck my own personal blow against religion. Instead of being all those lazy ass atheists who go on in their daily lives eating the shit that is handed out to us.


The sun sets in a 'murky spring'
18:85 - 18:86

And he followed a road Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.

[nkb]

[DivinityofReason]

All things are created in pairs.. bacteria and spider plants (just two examples) reproduce asexually

51:49

And all things We have created by pairs, that haply ye may reflect.

The earth is spread out, suggesting flat?
50:7

And the earth - We have spread it wide, and set upon it mountainsfirm, and caused it to bring forth plants of all beauteous kinds,

In the name of the Quran ask evidence to prove it is the word of god
2:111

AND THEY claim, "None shall ever enter paradise unless he be a Jew" - or, "a Christian". Such are their wishful beliefs! Say: "Produce an evidence for what you are claiming, if what you say is true!"

Religion should not be divided into sects, Like shiites and sunnis?
6:159

VERILY, as for those who have broken the unity of their faith and have become sects - thou hast nothing to do with them. Behold, their case rests with God: and in time He will make them understand what they were doing.

[West491]

DivinityofReason wrote

As my teenage years come to an end I think its about time I tell my theist Muslim parents that I no longer conform to their religion.
Which makes me an apostate and allows any Muslim to morally kill me, similar to Atheists which are degraded heavily in the Quran

I need a list of mistakes and contradictions from the Quran (with verse names) to help me with my case.
Maybe you guys could show me some you may have bookmarked or saved?

So let me get this straight, when you come out to your parents [as an atheist], you feel confident that they will kill you?

[Eva]

anything Wafa Sultan says should be good ammunition...

[DivinityofReason]

West491 wrote

So let me get this straight, when you come out to your parents [as an atheist], you feel confident that they will kill you?

Clearly not, I said it allows them to 'morally kill me' which means they could kill me and not feel bad about it from a religious point of view.

Sorry if my bad English (or over dramatic English) mislead you.

[West491]

DivinityofReason wrote

Clearly not, I said it allows them to 'morally kill me' which means they could kill me and not feel bad about it from a religious point of view.

Sorry if my bad English (or over dramatic English) mislead you.

Well in that case [maturely] explain to them how you feel and why you feel that way. Try not to yell even if they yell, it makes you feel more in control of the discussion.

If I were you, I wouldn't debate over the religious book. You must stick them at the point that they are suggesting that a god exists. Make them prove that before they try to say, as a fact, that the book is inspired by god. If I never read the bible in my life, I could still debunk [just about] every theistic argument I have ever heard based on logic [even though being familiar with the book did help in some cases]. The main point is to make them prove to you that god exists. Due to my past experiences, I have a feeling that their beliefs will boil down to "faith".

I'm not familiar with the Quran, but if you want to find mistakes in it here's the link :
http://www.google.com

Good luck !

[Eva]

if you depend economically on them, don't tell them yet.

[Sternwallow]

Eva wrote

if you depend economically on them, don't tell them yet.

A bit ignoble and dishonest, don't you think?

Remember that intellectual integrity is at the very core of atheism.

[West491]

Sternwallow wrote

A bit ignoble and dishonest, don't you think?

Remember that intellectual integrity is at the very core of atheism.

Eva's right.

Self-preservation is at the very core of living.

[Captain Relativity]

Sternwallow wrote

A bit ignoble and dishonest, don't you think?

Remember that intellectual integrity is at the very core of atheism.

Good one.

[EngelFaeuste]

Sternwallow wrote

A bit ignoble and dishonest, don't you think?

Remember that intellectual integrity is at the very core of atheism.

He sounds young, and his parents might be muslims of the taliban variety. We should be more concerned for his safety.

[nkb]

EngelFaeuste wrote

He sounds young, and his parents might be muslims of the taliban variety. We should be more concerned for his safety.

He already explained that they weren't, and he wasn't in any real danger.