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Old 06-21-2013, 10:11 AM   #1
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What Would It Take...

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What would it take for you not to believe in god anymore?

Question: (for non-believers)

Waht would it take for you to believe in god?

(Your answer should be WHAT it would take, not that you simply would never change your mind.)
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Old 06-21-2013, 10:15 AM   #2
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In the spirt of full disclosure I am a republican conservative who is a convicned atheist. You might say that I am an Arrogant Conservative in this regard. (And I dont see any conflict using a John Wayne Avatar.)
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Old 06-21-2013, 11:39 AM   #3
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It would take a scientifically rigorous tested theory backed by relevant evidence that shows that it is true. No different from anything else I accept as true.

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Old 06-21-2013, 11:40 AM   #4
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Why don't you tell us what it would take for you to believe in........., no wait a minute; can you first define what you mean by `god`?

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Old 06-21-2013, 12:04 PM   #5
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My definition

My definition of god would be a perfect being, omnipotent and omniscient.
Anything less would not be god and frankly not worthy of your worship.

Any evidence to the contrary would disprove gods existance.

I do not believe, but rather know, that god does not and can not exist. I first base this knowledge on emperical evidence found in quantum mechanics, specifically HUP, and second on the fact that I have free will.

Simply stated, the fact that you exsit proves that god does not.
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Old 06-21-2013, 12:13 PM   #6
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In order for me to believe

In order for me to believe, god would have to appear to the world on live T.V. and prove his perfection/omnipotence by a verified and documented demonstration that defies all known natural laws of physics.
He would have to explain his origin, where how and when, and explain why and how he created the universe.
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Old 06-21-2013, 12:28 PM   #7
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My definition of god would be a perfect being, omnipotent and omniscient.
Anything less would not be god and frankly not worthy of your worship.

Any evidence to the contrary would disprove gods existance.

I do not believe, but rather know, that god does not and can not exist. I first base this knowledge on emperical evidence found in quantum mechanics, specifically HUP, and second on the fact that I have free will.

Simply stated, the fact that you exsit proves that god does not.
There's a lot of opinion that you only think you have free will, so any non-belief in an existing god would be extremely callous on said gods part, making any god most unworthy of worship. Why even consider the nightmarish threats of lunatics & liars?

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Old 06-21-2013, 12:36 PM   #8
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In order for me to believe, god would have to appear to the world on live T.V. and prove his perfection/omnipotence by a verified and documented demonstration that defies all known natural laws of physics.
He would have to explain his origin, where how and when, and explain why and how he created the universe.
He could do that. I've heard of people who've been contacted through TV.

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Old 06-21-2013, 12:36 PM   #9
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If I did not have free will then I would never be contray to the will of god...ergo, I would be perfect and a therefore godlike myself; not in need to worship any other god.

I am not deluded enough to think that I do not have free will or that I am perfect.
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If I did not have free will then I would never be contray to the will of god...ergo, I would be perfect and a therefore godlike myself; not in need to worship any other god.
If you have willed yourself contrary to the will of god then there must be a god to be contrary to.
Not sure what you mean in the last part, but Yeh!

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Old 06-21-2013, 12:47 PM   #11
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Seems to me only a god would know how to convince me of its existence. Any scenario I can conceive of to convince me automatically suggests how it could be faked, at which point it's clear to me that any god is moot.

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Old 06-21-2013, 12:47 PM   #12
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He could do that. I've heard of people who've been contacted through TV.
Ah...theres the rub. You just heard...I want everyone to see at the same time.
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Old 06-21-2013, 12:50 PM   #13
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Seems to me only a god would know how to convince me of its existence. Any scenario I can conceive of to convince me automatically suggests how it could be faked, at which point it's clear to me that any god is moot.
I will rely on my independant observation and thought. It has served me well hence forth. And I agree, god is moot.
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Old 06-21-2013, 12:54 PM   #14
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In the exercise of my free will, I will now leave to satisfy my hunger.
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Ah...theres the rub. You just heard...I want everyone to see at the same time.
Trouble is, most others just don't see what they're watching.

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