Please present good reasons for philosophical naturalism

[psychodiva]

oh dear- it's back

hello halfwit

now fuck off

[Michael]

Eh, I wasn't here for you last time so I'll play along for a few moments, but really your request isn't even that interesting to begin with so don't expect anyone to bother with it too much. I'm also guessing based on your posts that English is not your first language, correct?

Anyway, I'm not sure who it is that is positing that "the natural world is all there exists". I certainly wouldn't phrase it like that. Rather, like West said "The natural world is the only 'world' that has an observable and repeatedly demonstrable effect on my being".

That is to say that only things that have a measurable effect on the natural world should be considered as "existing". Anything that does not or cannot have a measurable effect cannot then be distinguished from something that does not exist and therefore can't and shouldn't be considered.

So far, this "god" has not been shown to have any measurable effect on the "natural world" as you put it, and even if he/it does exist, is in no way distinguishable from non-existence. Therefore it is treated as such.

[ghoulslime]

Godlovesyou wrote

Since you are demonstrating not enough intelligence and education to adress the issues, but think insulting the counterpart is necessary, you need to find people of your level to behave as kids in the playyard.

Indeed? Apparently you lack the ability to defend your well-thought-out position against even a lowly play yard simpleton.

[ghoulslime]

Godlovesyou wrote

It looks like i have ended at a kids with poor education playground. thats definitively not the place i want to waste my precious time.

No! Certainly not! You were probably looking for the kids who are waiting to be molested by creepy religious people playground. Good luck with your search then!

[ghoulslime]

Eva wrote

proves?


i think he meant probes.
as in the anal kind.

i'm baaaack! fixed my old puter!

Yay! And there was rejoicing in the land!

[West491]

Godlovesyou wrote

And what caused the natural world into being ?

The prevailing theory among the scientific community is "the Big Bang"- yet another natural event.

[Kinich Ahau]

Eva wrote

proves?


i think he meant probes.
as in the anal kind.

i'm baaaack! fixed my old puter!

Isn't it about time you got rid of the commodore 64!

[Kinich Ahau]

I could have been the first to respond to this moron and tell him to fuck off but I let the opportunity pass as I know that some posters like Micheal and West are really hanging out for a good discussion with a theist. Unfortunately boys as you can see ther is no hope with this one.

So Fuck off you pathetic fucknuckle!

[Smellyoldgit]

Kinich Ahau wrote

I could have been the first to respond to this moron and tell him to fuck off

The dolt's first post over four years ago said it all ...

The Twat wrote

my name is angelo. i am a born again evangelical christian.

He went downhill from there!

[Kinich Ahau]

Yeah I saw that. I checked the quality, went and looked at his older posts.

[ILOVEJESUS]

Godlovesyou wrote

According to your logic, whatever you can see, has no cause ??

No whatever I can see can be investigated. What I can't has to be imagined. See the problem here. Also what created your god? Why does "it" not need a creator?
I know I just haven't laid into a theist for a while as have been busy. Sorry I will stop after this post........maybe.

[sgt8]

Godlovesyou wrote

philosophical naturalism helds, that the natural world is all there exists. Please present good reasons for this world view, and why you think it provides the best explanation for our existence. I am asking for positive arguments, not arguments like : the universe is all there is, because the bible is not compelling , because there is no evidence for God etc. I am asking for arguments, that make philosophical naturalism stand by its own.

So far, there is no evidence of the supernatural, making naturalism the default position until such evidence comes along. That is the extent of it. If you have evidence of the supernatural, present it here, accompanied by an explanation of why exactly what you are presenting as evidence should be considered to be outside of the natural world.

Or better yet, fuck off.

[Eva]

sorry....before my old puter got fixed, i was trying to post from an abacus....

[Riddler]

Godlovesyou wrote

philosophical naturalism helds, that the natural world is all there exists. Please present good reasons for this world view, and why you think it provides the best explanation for our existence. I am asking for positive arguments, not arguments like : the universe is all there is, because the bible is not compelling , because there is no evidence for God etc. I am asking for arguments, that make philosophical naturalism stand by its own.

Philosophical naturalism isn't a commentary on the bible. God and the bible are unfounded challenges to the various naturalist philosophies. One such philosophy is summed up by T'ien T'ai's formula of ichinen sanzen. Go and contemplate that; it contains all the evidence you need for how the universe exists, functions and perpetuates without any input beyond its own manifold natural resources.

Sorry, I got the house riposting style a bit wrong there. What I meant was - fuck off and contemplate that...

[Kinich Ahau]

Nicely put! I didn't understand that first paragraph though.