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[ILOVEJESUS]

Lily. What do you make of the National health service in the Uk? Is that a socialist sponge for the rich to support? You do have some valid points as I hate the over involvement of government in our lives. I also think ( UK wise) that we spend far to much on liberal nonsense lining the pockets of idealsists that spout a lot of pot induced crap that we as tax payers must pay. There have to be some areas though where government has to have the responsibility and I think that health is one of those areas.

[Philboid Studge]

Lily wrote

A single payer, especially when that payer is the government, that will regulate what care you receive, how much of it and for how long, is socialized medicine.

OMG. We were aware that you knew nothing of economics, policy, or really -- anything. I guess I'm still amazed at the apparent pride you take in your ignorance. By your definition, most health insurance (and ALL employee-based insurance) amounts to 'socialized medicine.' That's idiotic, of course, and exactly the kind of thing a clueless person being fed soundbites would say. A very useful idiot indeed.

Yes, Breitbart is a credible news outlet-- particularly when it publishes the smoking gun, as it were. How much more credible can anything be than a video that records Obammy's own words about his goals? Hmmm?

Even a myopic old Alzheimer's patient like you should have noticed the butchery of that video. Does the phrase 'crudely edited' mean anything to you? I'm surprised "Breitbart" didn't photoshop a Kenyan birth certificate in there somehow.

[Irreligious]

ILOVEJESUS wrote

I am . You aint having my tax dough.

Keep your chump change. I ain't asking for it. But if it's "taxable dough," you might want to broach Uncle Sam about the matter. That is, if you're a resident of the U.S. of A. And, if you ain't, what the hell do I care where your tax money goes?

[nkb]

ILOVEJESUS wrote

I am . You aint having my tax dough.

Apart from this being a discussion about US health care, I am surprised that guys like you, who mop up jizz in peep shows, actually make enough to pay taxes.

You must be quite the hard-working jizz-mopper. Good for you!

nkb wrote

Just to bring this discussion back the the thread in which it was initiated:

For someone who hates Bill Clinton so much, why are you trying to emulate him?

What a stupid, stupid thing to say. You don't know that there is a universally recognized difference between can/could, will/would; may/might? I thought you spoke German. Are you going to try and tell me that: "Wenn ich Geld hätte and Wenn ich Geld habe" mean the same thing? Well, you might. You'd be wrong though. Educated people still know what the subjunctive/conditional is and indicates.

Let's grant you that Senator Diaz was not expressing certainty in his letter. Now, show us where this possibility exists for his and your interpretation.

Already did.

for once, back up what you posted.

I always do. Your inability to think is not my problem. Let's see now:

Unbelievable. Unbelievable. I post what the lying Kenyan has said; I post what the big shots who have been called in to testify about how we should "manage" health care say and it doesn't make a dent. Why would anything?

Here ya go. Read it this time. I will spell it for you afterwards:

Lily wrote

I obviously agree with his assertion that the language of the bill can be taken to mean exactly what he thinks it can be taken to mean. We have already seen Oregon send a dying woman a letter in which it refuses her an expensive drug but does tell her it will cover her assisted suicide. Are you so completely devoid of understanding or imagination that you don't see what the impact of that kind of statement is?

Now lets look at page 426 and see what the bill says:

9 ‘‘(F)(i) Subject to clause (ii), an explanation of
10 orders regarding life sustaining treatment or similar
11 orders, which shall include—
12 ‘‘(I) the reasons why the development of
13 such an order is beneficial to the individual and
14 the individual’s family and the reasons why
15 such an order should be updated periodically as
16 the health of the individual changes;

What are the reasons such an order would be beneficial? Why does the elderly person need to worry about what will be beneficial to his family? It is his body, his health and his right to make decisions that suit him. What will the practitioner say? Tell me exactly what he will say. More to the point, tell me what he is not permitted to say.

I won't ask if you get it. You don't.

Philboid Studge wrote

OMG. We were aware that you knew nothing of economics, policy, or really -- anything. I guess I'm still amazed at the apparent pride you take in your ignorance. By your definition, most health insurance (and ALL employee-based insurance) amounts to 'socialized medicine.' That's idiotic, of course, and exactly the kind of thing a clueless person being fed soundbites would say. A very useful idiot indeed.



Even a myopic old Alzheimer's patient like you should have noticed the butchery of that video. Does the phrase 'crudely edited' mean anything to you? I'm surprised "Breitbart" didn't photoshop a Kenyan birth certificate in there somehow.

You are insane! Why did I not realize it before? I don't know if mental health is covered under Obamacare...

ILOVEJESUS wrote

Lily. What do you make of the National health service in the Uk? Is that a socialist sponge for the rich to support? You do have some valid points as I hate the over involvement of government in our lives. I also think ( UK wise) that we spend far to much on liberal nonsense lining the pockets of idealsists that spout a lot of pot induced crap that we as tax payers must pay. There have to be some areas though where government has to have the responsibility and I think that health is one of those areas.

Like many Brits, I think the NHS is a nightmare. Literally not a day goes by that I don't read a new horror. What was it the day before yesterday? The NHS won't cover cortisone injections for people with severe, chronic back pain. That one hits close to home, on my sympathy meter, since I have some pretty bad trouble of that sort myself.

Filthy hospitals that the patients themselves end up trying to clean; a woman sent home last week because she was "not in labor" when she actually was who ended up giving birth at home, people who pull out their own teeth with pliers because they can't find a dentist who will accept what the NHS pays; hours long waits in emergency with patients stacked up, and occasionally forgotten altogether in hallways! And let's not forget how few Brits go into medicine anymore and how, increasingly, you are dependent on foreign doctors whose standards leave something to be desired. Let's see. There are the Muslim female doctors who are disobeying sanitary regulations to roll up sleeves to the elbow (and to scrub!) to control MRSA infections because their religion forbids them to show that much flesh.

I am not impressed.

[Irreligious]

Lily wrote

I post what the lying Kenyan has said; I post what the big shots who have been called in to testify about how we should "manage" health care say and it doesn't make a dent. Why would anything?

Well, first of all, calling the president a Kenyan when you know that he is American would suggest you have other unexpressed issues with this man, I'd say.

Edited: And I note that, in addition to possessing Kenyan heritage, Obama is also part English and Irish, but you didn't call him a lying Englishman or lying Irishman.

And you are the one lying when you claim that Obama's bill would encourage or pressure dying old folks to opt for "killing themselves" to spare the taxpayers the expense of treating them. That's why you refuse to cite the alleged part of the bill that advances such a notion, because you know it doesn't exist.

Furthermore, you know damned well that, currently, private insurance companies also discourage terminally ill patients from using up "their" resources. They typically don't cover experimental treatments in an attempt to keep their costs down (and their profits steady). Why would you expect the government to not offer alternatives to expensive and unproven treatments for old (or young) terminally ill patients?

[nkb]

Lily wrote

Like many Brits, I think the NHS is a nightmare. Literally not a day goes by that I don't read a new horror. What was it the day before yesterday? The NHS won't cover cortisone injections for people with severe, chronic back pain. That one hits close to home, on my sympathy meter, since I have some pretty bad trouble of that sort myself.

Filthy hospitals that the patients themselves end up trying to clean; a woman sent home last week because she was "not in labor" when she actually was who ended up giving birth at home, people who pull out their own teeth with pliers because they can't find a dentist who will accept what the NHS pays; hours long waits in emergency with patients stacked up, and occasionally forgotten altogether in hallways! And let's not forget how few Brits go into medicine anymore and how, increasingly, you are dependent on foreign doctors whose standards leave something to be desired. Let's see. There are the Muslim female doctors who are disobeying sanitary regulations to roll up sleeves to the elbow (and to scrub!) to control MRSA infections because their religion forbids them to show that much flesh.

I am not impressed.

Yep, none of that ever happens here. Our health care system has no such flaws (before Obamacare, of course).

[Smellyoldgit]

I was about to pen a suitably abrupt reply to the usual Lily-shite of totally biased, mis-informed garbage - but I had to pop-out and pull a couple of molars, which turned out to be far more pleasurable than engaging such claptrap.

I'd also like to mention that 3 new Primary Care Centres wot I helped design and develop have won awards this year for their performance.

I am impressed.

[Kate]

[Smellyoldgit]

[Kate]

Smellyoldgit wrote

I was about to pen a suitably abrupt reply to the usual Lily-shite of totally biased, mis-informed garbage - but I had to pop-out and pull a couple of molars, which turned out to be far more pleasurable than engaging such claptrap.

I'd also like to mention that 3 new Primary Care Centres wot I helped design and develop have won awards this year for their performance.

I am impressed.

I'm not.

Not enough beds so little girl’s heart surgery postponed 3 times

Stafford: a 3rd world hospital according to Brown:

Two months ago 41 NHS hospital trusts admitted failing to observe one or more parts of the hygiene code, which was introduced in October 2006 amid growing concern about the spread of MRSA, clostridium difficile and other superbugs.

Patient comments on their experiences in Nottingham University Hospitals are rather amusing (not) http://www.nhs.uk/servicedirectories...x?v=4&id=RX1CC


The Prime Minister and his aides have become alarmed that one in four hospitals is still not meeting the hygiene targets imposed in November 2004 by the then Health Secretary John Reid. Hospital-acquired infections (HAI) now affect some 300,000 people a year, and despite better control measures appear to be epidemic in some areas. The government is unlikely to meet the target it has set itself, of halving the numbers diagnosed with MRSA by next April.



Shall I go on? I have an endless supply …

[Eva]

a toast with milk would seem appropriate but most of us have developed some kind of lactose intolerance, a couple of thousand posts ago....