Student kidnaps Eucharist - commits mortal sin

[nkb]

Lily wrote

It is a matter of fact and clearly stated in scripture that those people who reject God will be rejected by him.

Is God bound by what is written in scripture? He can't change his mind? If so, what a puny little bitch he is, being controlled by what some ancient people wrote about him.

Lily wrote

How is that a claim to know any particular individual's soul?

You're the one making definitive statements about people's destinations in the afterlife, even as you tell us that God will decide.
Yeah, I don't know how Vlad could have possibly thought that.

Lily wrote

What constitutes a sound mind? A lack of mental illness and the ability to reason, to know right from wrong and be capable of choosing one or the other. No doubt, there may be more to it than that but that is what springs to mind.

It's curious that it took the RCC centuries to make that connection. All this time, they were teaching their followers that babies were out of luck, and were doomed to limbo.

nkb wrote

Is God bound by what is written in scripture? He can't change his mind? If so, what a puny little bitch he is, being controlled by what some ancient people wrote about him.


You're the one making definitive statements about people's destinations in the afterlife, even as you tell us that God will decide.
Yeah, I don't know how Vlad could have possibly thought that.


It's curious that it took the RCC centuries to make that connection. All this time, they were teaching their followers that babies were out of luck, and were doomed to limbo.

Limbo was a place of perfect happiness. What is your problem with that?

Irreligious wrote

Lily, I know what Christianity teaches regarding the alleged resurrection of someone named Jesus Christ. That teaching is not a fact. There is no evidence supporting that assertion. Believing it is an act of faith. You know that.

[Irreligious]

Lily wrote

Sorry, Lily, but that won't make the truth go away.

All of your assertions about an alleged heaven and hell are grounded in faith, not fact. You have no evidence for any of it. That is indisputable.

[nkb]

Lily wrote

Limbo was a place of perfect happiness. What is your problem with that?

Really?

Wasn't it a place separate from God?

[Irreligious]

nkb wrote

Really?

Wasn't it a place separate from God?

Hmm. A place of perfect happiness, separate from God. Meanwhile, what makes hell hell, according to her? That the poor "souls" occupying it are separated from God.

Sometimes, I do believe, Lily is making this shit up as she goes along. If she's getting her information from another source, then they're making it up.

[nkb]

Oh, it's made up, but by the grandest authority in Lily's world, the RCC.

We've been through this before, and Lily has tried the whole "limbo is a happy place" crap, which doesn't jive with her new and improved hell concept, which is no longer fire and brimstone and getting poked with a red-hot pitchfork, but just eternal separation from the Big Guy.

[Irreligious]

Well, another true confession here:

I do love it when she hits that brick wall of cognitive dissonance but attempts to plunge ahead, regardless. She often illustrates it with this:



Which I interpret as Lily saying: Must not let the logic penetrate. Must not. Can not. Will not.

Irr, while I may see arguing with Lily at great length (such as in post 1559) as a fruitless endeavor, I thoroughly enjoyed reading it and wish you to know that the ardor in which you argue is appreciated.

[Irreligious]

Thanks, zer0.

Our love of arguing is the one thing Lily and I share in common. And I especially love doing it before an audience that appreciates my arguments. It's why I would never waste my time arguing with Christians on a Christian Website. Obviously, this is where Lily and I part company.

nkb wrote

Oh, it's made up, but by the grandest authority in Lily's world, the RCC.

We've been through this before, and Lily has tried the whole "limbo is a happy place" crap, which doesn't jive with her new and improved hell concept, which is no longer fire and brimstone and getting poked with a red-hot pitchfork, but just eternal separation from the Big Guy.

I have to assume that in real life you are able to walk and chew gum at the same time. It is not apparent here, at all. How do you do this? How do you hear bits and pieces and not the whole? How do you make these idiocies up? How?

Limbo is defined in the Catechism as a place of perfect natural happiness. Eternal separation from the "Big Guy" is, by definition hell. It will be a terrible fate. There is no new improved hell concept. We have just grown mealy-mouthed in discussing it. So, hear this. Fire, brimstone, pitchforks, maybe. Regret, horror, et al. for sure.

Irreligious wrote

I do love it when she hits that brick wall of cognitive dissonance but attempts to plunge ahead, regardless. She often illustrates it with this:



Which I interpret as Lily saying: Must not let the logic penetrate. Must not. Can not. Will not.

You interpret wrong which is in keeping with your general inability to understand what you are reading.

It is a fact that Christians assent to certain propositions. Your belief or non-belief in those propositions is utterly irrelevant. Their truth or falsity is utterly irrelevant. The fact is that Christians believe certain propositions.

Not only is this not rocket science, it isn't 8th grade math. Why aren't you able to get it?

[Irreligious]

Your fucking beliefs ain't got shit to do with objective reality. Deal with it, honey.

Edited: And I absolutely adore how Lily is attempting to turn this into a discussion about whether or not I am aware that Christians adhere to a certain set of unproveable propositions. No shit, Sherlock. What the hell is that all about, except obfuscation?

[Choobus]

Irreligious wrote

Sorry, Lily, but that won't make the truth go away.

Actually, repeatedly bashing your head against a brick wall is a good way for an otherwise rational person to finally accept jesus.....

[Mog]

Choobus wrote

Actually, repeatedly bashing your head against a brick wall is a good way for an otherwise rational person to finally accept jesus.....

That explains why I keep seeing Lily use the emote!

[dogpet]

Smellyoldgit wrote

Of course you know what a Rusty Nail tastes like?!!

Jebus lands in Glasgow on a Friday night with some shekels in his nappy.

Wakes next day in an alley feeling like shit & staggers back to the pub.

Jebus: Got anything for a hangover my son?

Barman: Whit aboot a Rusty Nail?

Jebus: In the name of christ! Have I not suffered enough?