08-21-2008, 07:07 AM
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#1576
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He who walks among the theists
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: The Big D
Posts: 12,119
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Lily wrote
It is a matter of fact and clearly stated in scripture that those people who reject God will be rejected by him.
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Is God bound by what is written in scripture? He can't change his mind? If so, what a puny little bitch he is, being controlled by what some ancient people wrote about him.
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Lily wrote
How is that a claim to know any particular individual's soul?
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You're the one making definitive statements about people's destinations in the afterlife, even as you tell us that God will decide.
Yeah, I don't know how Vlad could have possibly thought that.
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Lily wrote
What constitutes a sound mind? A lack of mental illness and the ability to reason, to know right from wrong and be capable of choosing one or the other. No doubt, there may be more to it than that but that is what springs to mind.
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It's curious that it took the RCC centuries to make that connection. All this time, they were teaching their followers that babies were out of luck, and were doomed to limbo.
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one."
George Bernard Shaw
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08-21-2008, 07:39 AM
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#1577
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Quote:
nkb wrote
Is God bound by what is written in scripture? He can't change his mind? If so, what a puny little bitch he is, being controlled by what some ancient people wrote about him.
You're the one making definitive statements about people's destinations in the afterlife, even as you tell us that God will decide.
Yeah, I don't know how Vlad could have possibly thought that.
It's curious that it took the RCC centuries to make that connection. All this time, they were teaching their followers that babies were out of luck, and were doomed to limbo.
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Limbo was a place of perfect happiness. What is your problem with that?
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08-21-2008, 07:41 AM
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#1578
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08-21-2008, 07:50 AM
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#1579
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I Live Here
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Around the way
Posts: 12,641
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Lily wrote
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Sorry, Lily, but that won't make the truth go away.
All of your assertions about an alleged heaven and hell are grounded in faith, not fact. You have no evidence for any of it. That is indisputable.
"So many gods, so many creeds! So many paths that wind and wind, when just the art of being kind is all this sad world needs."
--Ella Wheeler Wilcox
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08-21-2008, 07:51 AM
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#1580
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He who walks among the theists
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: The Big D
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Lily wrote
Limbo was a place of perfect happiness. What is your problem with that?
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Really?
Wasn't it a place separate from God?
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one."
George Bernard Shaw
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08-21-2008, 07:57 AM
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#1581
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I Live Here
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Around the way
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nkb wrote
Really?
Wasn't it a place separate from God?
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Hmm. A place of perfect happiness, separate from God. Meanwhile, what makes hell hell, according to her? That the poor "souls" occupying it are separated from God.
Sometimes, I do believe, Lily is making this shit up as she goes along. If she's getting her information from another source, then they're making it up.
"So many gods, so many creeds! So many paths that wind and wind, when just the art of being kind is all this sad world needs."
--Ella Wheeler Wilcox
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08-21-2008, 08:06 AM
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#1582
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He who walks among the theists
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: The Big D
Posts: 12,119
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Oh, it's made up, but by the grandest authority in Lily's world, the RCC.
We've been through this before, and Lily has tried the whole "limbo is a happy place" crap, which doesn't jive with her new and improved hell concept, which is no longer fire and brimstone and getting poked with a red-hot pitchfork, but just eternal separation from the Big Guy.
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one."
George Bernard Shaw
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08-21-2008, 08:15 AM
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#1583
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I Live Here
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Around the way
Posts: 12,641
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Well, another true confession here:
I do love it when she hits that brick wall of cognitive dissonance but attempts to plunge ahead, regardless. She often illustrates it with this:
Which I interpret as Lily saying: Must not let the logic penetrate. Must not. Can not. Will not.
"So many gods, so many creeds! So many paths that wind and wind, when just the art of being kind is all this sad world needs."
--Ella Wheeler Wilcox
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08-21-2008, 08:23 AM
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#1584
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Irr, while I may see arguing with Lily at great length (such as in post 1559) as a fruitless endeavor, I thoroughly enjoyed reading it and wish you to know that the ardor in which you argue is appreciated.
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08-21-2008, 08:33 AM
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#1585
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I Live Here
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Location: Around the way
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Thanks, zer0.
Our love of arguing is the one thing Lily and I share in common. And I especially love doing it before an audience that appreciates my arguments. It's why I would never waste my time arguing with Christians on a Christian Website. Obviously, this is where Lily and I part company.
"So many gods, so many creeds! So many paths that wind and wind, when just the art of being kind is all this sad world needs."
--Ella Wheeler Wilcox
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08-21-2008, 08:40 AM
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#1586
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nkb wrote
Oh, it's made up, but by the grandest authority in Lily's world, the RCC.
We've been through this before, and Lily has tried the whole "limbo is a happy place" crap, which doesn't jive with her new and improved hell concept, which is no longer fire and brimstone and getting poked with a red-hot pitchfork, but just eternal separation from the Big Guy.
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I have to assume that in real life you are able to walk and chew gum at the same time. It is not apparent here, at all. How do you do this? How do you hear bits and pieces and not the whole? How do you make these idiocies up? How?
Limbo is defined in the Catechism as a place of perfect natural happiness. Eternal separation from the "Big Guy" is, by definition hell. It will be a terrible fate. There is no new improved hell concept. We have just grown mealy-mouthed in discussing it. So, hear this. Fire, brimstone, pitchforks, maybe. Regret, horror, et al. for sure.
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Irreligious wrote
I do love it when she hits that brick wall of cognitive dissonance but attempts to plunge ahead, regardless. She often illustrates it with this:
Which I interpret as Lily saying: Must not let the logic penetrate. Must not. Can not. Will not.
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You interpret wrong which is in keeping with your general inability to understand what you are reading.
It is a fact that Christians assent to certain propositions. Your belief or non-belief in those propositions is utterly irrelevant. Their truth or falsity is utterly irrelevant. The fact is that Christians believe certain propositions.
Not only is this not rocket science, it isn't 8th grade math. Why aren't you able to get it?
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08-21-2008, 08:42 AM
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#1587
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I Live Here
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Location: Around the way
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Your fucking beliefs ain't got shit to do with objective reality. Deal with it, honey.
Edited: And I absolutely adore how Lily is attempting to turn this into a discussion about whether or not I am aware that Christians adhere to a certain set of unproveable propositions. No shit, Sherlock. What the hell is that all about, except obfuscation?
"So many gods, so many creeds! So many paths that wind and wind, when just the art of being kind is all this sad world needs."
--Ella Wheeler Wilcox
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08-21-2008, 09:11 AM
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#1588
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I Live Here
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: prick up your ears
Posts: 20,553
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Irreligious wrote
Sorry, Lily, but that won't make the truth go away.
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Actually, repeatedly bashing your head against a brick wall is a good way for an otherwise rational person to finally accept jesus.....
You can always turn tricks for a few extra bucks. If looks are an issue, there's the glory hole option, but don't expect more than ... tips.
~ Philiboid Studge
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08-21-2008, 09:29 AM
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#1589
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Obsessed Member
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 2,813
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Quote:
Choobus wrote
Actually, repeatedly bashing your head against a brick wall is a good way for an otherwise rational person to finally accept jesus.....
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That explains why I keep seeing Lily use the emote!
"It's puzzling that Eden is synonymous with paradise when, if you think about it at all, it's more like a maximum-security prison with twenty-four hour surveillance." -Ann Druyan
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08-21-2008, 09:49 AM
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#1590
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Obsessed Member
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: The Mongrel Nation
Posts: 4,839
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Smellyoldgit wrote
Of course you know what a Rusty Nail tastes like?!!
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Jebus lands in Glasgow on a Friday night with some shekels in his nappy.
Wakes next day in an alley feeling like shit & staggers back to the pub.
Jebus: Got anything for a hangover my son?
Barman: Whit aboot a Rusty Nail?
Jebus: In the name of christ! Have I not suffered enough?
thank goodness he's on our side
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