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Old 01-27-2008, 09:46 PM   #1
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Penn & Teller Creationism Bullshit

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Old 01-27-2008, 10:17 PM   #2
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I love these guys! Nice find! I'm looking for more of their stuff on Youtube. This will be my bedtime story tonight.

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Old 01-28-2008, 04:59 AM   #3
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Just download all episodes on tvtorrents.com

But beware of their episodes on recycling, which they are against for some fucking reason
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Old 01-28-2008, 05:15 AM   #4
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They make it pretty clear why they're against it. I used to work for a district council and they are right about a lot of things in that episode. For instance, the rampant use of paper has led directly to an increase in trees grown in NZ.

The real thing to watch out for is how much credence they give to the Cato Institute above everyone else. Not that it's always a bad thing, just that you need to be careful.
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Old 01-28-2008, 01:19 PM   #5
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They explained their reasons for being against recycling (except in the case of aluminum), but I'm not convinced.

They were focusing too much on the financial aspect of recycling. It is accurate that making new stuff is cheaper than recycling, but I don't agree with their contention that we have plenty of land to make landfills, so go ahead and throw everything out, and make more plastic/paper/etc.

Apart from that, the handful of episodes that I have seen I liked a lot. Especially the one about religion (Elvis didn't do no drugs).

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Old 01-28-2008, 02:06 PM   #6
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That's exactly my opinion, nkb. Although I think environmental aspects are more important than financial ones, so fuck it if it's cheaper to NOT recycle.

I've seen all episodes season 1-4, except the one on ghosts because the quality on that episode is horrendous, and I can't find a better version.
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Old 01-28-2008, 04:42 PM   #7
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Penn & Teller are okay on the atheist deal, but they are totally fucked up pro-corporate stooge Libertarians otherwise.

Revolution is not something fixed in ideology, nor is it something fashioned to a particular decade. It is a perpetual process imbedded in the human spirit--Abbie Hoffman.
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Old 01-28-2008, 04:49 PM   #8
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That's exactly my opinion, nkb. Although I think environmental aspects are more important than financial ones, so fuck it if it's cheaper to NOT recycle.

I've seen all episodes season 1-4, except the one on ghosts because the quality on that episode is horrendous, and I can't find a better version.
The ghost episode is on you tube.

Here is part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzXenBk3nGc

Here is part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRhps...eature=related

And here is part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOmJw...eature=related
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Penn & Teller are okay on the atheist deal, but they are totally fucked up pro-corporate stooge Libertarians otherwise.
Not sure what you mean by pro-corporate (my mind is still hearing the echos of the bottled water episode where they bashed Evian and the gang for selling tap water in bottles), but yeah, libertarians are pretty weird.

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Old 01-29-2008, 01:39 PM   #10
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I watched it and now have blood leaking out of my eyeballs.

Creationists are people who lie to get people to follow a religion that believes lying is a sin.

That folks, is seventeen kinds of stupid and really unambiguously evil.

I would love for these asshats to actually sit and have the controversy taught to them before they open their fucking faces.
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Not sure what you mean by pro-corporate (my mind is still hearing the echos of the bottled water episode where they bashed Evian and the gang for selling tap water in bottles), but yeah, libertarians are pretty weird.



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Only that every Libertarian I've ever met or whose work I've read can be counted upon to come down on the side of rapacious corporations. In a very weird way, they hold a position very similar to British royalists, in that they think the rich deserve to be rich because they are rich. Therefore, allow them to continue being rich, no matter what they did to get rich, and no matter what kind of damage they do to the greater good in remaining rich. It's kind of a twist on the divinity of royalty. I have no time for that kind of asswipe reasoning.

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Only that every Libertarian I've ever met or whose work I've read can be counted upon to come down on the side of rapacious corporations. In a very weird way, they hold a position very similar to British royalists, in that they think the rich deserve to be rich because they are rich. Therefore, allow them to continue being rich, no matter what they did to get rich, and no matter what kind of damage they do to the greater good in remaining rich. It's kind of a twist on the divinity of royalty. I have no time for that kind of asswipe reasoning.
huh, i've only heard ron paul libertarianism, but he said that CEOs getting 300 million dollars in bonus right when a corporation goes bankrupt is something to be investigated or stopped. i don't think he wants the rich to "stay rich".
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Dude,
Let it go. Ron Paul is never going to get the nomination.

But, what else do you call it when someone wants all restrictions lifted and let the corporations do whatever they think they can get away with? Sounds like "rich getting richer".

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Only that every Libertarian I've ever met or whose work I've read can be counted upon to come down on the side of rapacious corporations. In a very weird way, they hold a position very similar to British royalists, in that they think the rich deserve to be rich because they are rich. Therefore, allow them to continue being rich, no matter what they did to get rich, and no matter what kind of damage they do to the greater good in remaining rich. It's kind of a twist on the divinity of royalty. I have no time for that kind of asswipe reasoning.
Well, you have my vote then.
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