Proof of God

[ghoulslime]

Philboid Studge wrote

miata, it does a body good to see you posting. Maybe it's the tequila talking but so what?

Just as fine without the booze! It's good to see Miata back and swinging!

ghoulslime wrote

Just as fine without the booze! It's good to see Miata back and swinging!

I love to drink too, but it makes my car act strange at high speeds. Thanks for the kind words, I love talking to like minds about my lack of faith.

Who says "ergo"?

Livingstrong wrote

LOL, what the heck is this?

Sorry, I'm a new comer to this thread, but I think he means, "Something cannot come from nothing." Meaning.. Something was already in existence in order to create everything in existence.

Disciple of Christ wrote

Sorry, I'm a new comer to this thread, but I think he means, "Something cannot come from nothing." Meaning.. Something was already in existence in order to create everything in existence.

[Choobus]

Disciple of cum, you are a newcomer to thinking. You haven't quite got it yet so you should keep your retarded bollocks to yourself you wanker.

[HumbleBeauty]

Hana wrote

Apologies if this is off-topic; I'll admit I had to do some serious skipping power reading when it got to aliens and the like.. eh, anyway:

MySiddhi, if you're still around, are you remotely interested in the idea of debating the existence of God in plain English? That is, from a necessarily epistemological point of view? Don't start throwing lines of formal logic at me or hiding behind tautologies. Logic can be useful as a tool in explanation, but it is not a replacement for discussion.

T:___is a thing.
|-(∃!{})⇒({}≡{})⇒(∑∀x=∃!U)Tx⇒(U<<>>∀x)Tx⇒(∀x∈U⊃∀x)Tx ⇒...
(∑E=Ek+Ep)∧(E=mc^2)∧(E=ħω/2)∧(P=∫∇Edv)⇒(∀x∈E⊃∀x)Tx⇒(U≡E)⇒...
((∑∀x≡∃!E)∧(E<<>>∀x))Tx⇒(E>>E)∧(∀P∈E⊃∀P)
By Gabriel from Yahowaho

Pick any part that you would like to talk about

[Davin]

(┛◉Д◉)┛彡┻━┻
Qed, Mf.

[Sinfidel]

[Kinich Ahau]

Such integrity!

[Davin]

Either their book is shit a moral guide or they're shit at reading. But I think it's a lot of both.

[Hobotronic2037]

MySiddhi wrote

The proof has one definition, one Axiom, seven logical Tautologies with ten corollaries, one Deduction, five Inductions, with (credits), [attributes], and some resolved Paradoxes.

Definition;
By God, I mean an eternal, omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient, infinite pantheistic energy that is the generating and sustaining cause of that which exists.

(A1) Propositions cannot be both true and false. (Parmenides)
The axiom of non-contradiction is required to prove anything at all.

(T1) Nothing is nothing. (Victor Hugo)
(A ≡ A)∧(A → A)∧(idA: A → A)∧(∃Ax)(A = x) (Mars Turner)
Four senses of “is” are meant here; of identity, of implication, of predication, and of existence;
A ≡ A “nothing equals nothing” Law of Identity
A → A “nothing implies nothing” Reflexivity of Implication
idA: A → A “nothing has the property of nothing” Identity Morphism
(∃Ax)(A = x) “nothing exists as nothing” Reflexivity of Existence

(T2) Nothing is uninvolved. - Something is self-causal. (Mars Turner)
(A ≡ A)∧(A → A) [consciousness]
nothing equals nothing AND nothing implies nothing
ergo nothing is not implicated with something
ergo everything is implicated with something
ergo something is self-implicated
Note; Implication suggests causation and is correlation. When it is impossible for there to be missing variables correlation necessarily is causation, as the only reason correlation would not be causation is the possibility of missing variables.
ergo nothing is not causal with something Q.E.D.
ergo everything is causal with something
ergo something is self-causal Q.E.D.
Note; Self-causal means self-deterministic or teleological. Self-causation is consciousness!

(T3) Nothing is nondescript. - Something is self-descriptive. (Christopher Langan)
(A ≡ A)∧(idA: A → A) [intentional]
Note; Endomorphic self-description is self-manifestation!

(T4) Nothing is nonexistence. - Something is essentially existence. (Parmenides)
(A ≡ A)∧(∃Ax)(A = x) [substance]

(T5) Nothing is made of nothing. - Everything is made of something. (Parmenides)
(A → A)∧(idA: A → A) [pantheism]

(T6) Nothing is the cause of nothing. - Something is the cause of all things. (Mars Turner)
(A → A)∧(∃Ax)(A = x) [causal]

(T7) Nowhere and at no time has nothing existed. - Something has always existed everywhere. (Mars)
(idA: A → A)∧(∃Ax)(A = x) [eternal, invincible, perfect]
Note; Something that has always existed is eternal. That which is eternal cannot be created nor destroyed. Therefore it is invincible. Because it is eternal it also has an unchanging nature and this while embodying the existence of all things [T5] it therefore is perfect.

(D1) One thing is self-causal, self-descriptive, has the essence of existence, that everything is made of, that is the cause of all things, and has always existed everywhere. (Spinoza) [omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, monism]
Proof--The true definition of a thing neither involves nor expresses anything beyond the nature of the thing defined. From this it follows that--No definition implies or expresses a certain number of individuals, inasmuch as it expresses nothing beyond the nature of the thing defined. There is necessarily for each individual existent thing a cause why it should exist [T6]. This cause of existence must either be contained in the nature and definition of the thing defined [T2], or must be postulated apart from such definition. If a given number of individual things exist in nature, there must be some cause for the existence of exactly that number, neither more nor less. Consequently, the cause of each of them, must necessarily be sought externally to each individual thing. It therefore follows that, everything which may consist of several individuals must have an external cause. And, as it has been shown already that existence appertains to the nature of something [T4], existence must necessarily be included in its definition; and from its definition alone existence must be deducible. But from its definition we cannot infer the existence of several things; therefore it follows that there is only one thing that is self-causal, self-descriptive, has the essence of existence, that everything is made of, that is the cause of all things, and has always existed everywhere. Q.E.D.

Note; Consciousness is a fundamental property of reality [T2 Note & D1], and is the cause of the creation of all things [D1]. Therefore God is conscious being and humans partake in this essence of the creative source to the extent that they are conscious or self-causal.

(I1) E = m⋅c^2 (Jules Poincaré & Olinto Pretto) [immanent]
Mass-Energy Equivalence; bradyons have transformational pathways with gauge bosons; all spatial things are forms of energy.

(I2) E = Δt⋅c^2 (Edmund Whittaker & Thomas Bearden) [transcendent]
Delta Time-Energy Equivalence; tachyons have transformational pathways with gauge bosons; all temporal things are forms of energy.

(I3) E = (h⋅ω)/2 (Max Planck & Werner Heisenberg) [infinite, omnipresent, perfect]
Zero-Point Energy; we have a contribution of 1/2 hbar omega from every single point in space resulting in a substantial infinity as well as making energy spatially infinite. Because it is infinite it is unchanging in it's nature, while embodying the existence of all things, it therefore is perfect.

(I4) ∑E = Et+Ek+Ep (Julius Mayer) [eternal, invincible]
Conservation of Energy; energy cannot be created nor destroyed, therefore it is temporally infinite.

(I5) P = ∫ ∇E dv (Mars Turner) [all-power-full]
Power Integral; power involves the transformation of energy, therefore the infinite, omnipresent, and eternal energy is all-power-full.

Note; The definitive and causal mechanism for mind-matter interactions (Mars Turner);
Mind (scalar temporal energy; tachyons) and Matter (vector spatial energy; bradyons) are dually related harmonic convergents of each other. i.e. The destructive interference of vector potentials creates a scalar wave, and the destructive interference of scalar waves creates a vector potential.

Experiments demonstrating the mind-matter mechanism; (p < = 5x10^-2 is statistically significant)
sense of being stared at (p < 1x10^-25) Biology Forum
telephone telepathy (p = 4x10^-16) Journal of the Society for Psychical Research
telekinesis on REG (p = 3.5x10^-13) Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research
mass psychic control (p = 2x10^-9) Institute of Science, Technology and Public Policy
remote viewing (p = 9.1x10^-8) Division of Statistics University of California Davis


by Mars Sterling Turner

Btw. Dug this up from 2008. Looks like humble beauty has been here before.

[Hobotronic2037]

MySiddhi wrote

Good point... that is another proof all together.

I still have lots of work to do on putting that one together but here is some of it;

http://mysiddhi.freehostia.com/spiri...God/index.html

You may find proof of the Global Flood interesting.

Sorry Mars, this link is broken. I’d love to see your proof of a global flood.

[Sinfidel]

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[ghoulslime]

It's almost as if religious leaders are trying to obtain money and power. Has anybody else every wondered this?